New Ballymun to Bray Bus Announced

patrickbrophy18

I was listening to the radio this morning and heard that Dublin Bus are to introduce a new route, the 155 in February between Ballymun and Bray:

https://lovindublin.com/news/dublin-bus-new-route-february

They said that it will also have a stop in Dun Laoghaire. I imagine that it will utilise the Rock Road QBC and Sallynoggin too.

p_haugh

It was originally going to follow the route of 145 from Bray to CC, then the 4 to Ballymun and then branch off to Ikea. Since when was it going via Dun Laoghaire?

Stephen15

I think there was a miss interpretation saying it was to go via DL. It was a Northside councillor who said it so they probably wouldn't know the area very well. It's following the same route as the 145 between Bray and town and then going on to IKEA. It was announced a couple of months ago but I'd imagine the timetable and exact routing will be released in a few weeks time. I believe the Northside routing will be broadly similar to the 4 and 13. It will be on the N11 not the Rock Road afaik.

patrickbrophy18

I guess only time will tell. I imagine that the journey length will be upwards of 90 minutes given the distance it will travel whether it be the Rock Road or N11.

Stephen15

patrickbrophy18 wrote: »

I guess only time will tell. I imagine that the journey length will be upwards of 90 minutes given the distance it will travel whether it be the Rock Road or N11.

I'm not sure if this route is really a good idea I would have thought beefing up the 145 would be a better option Bray is always a nightmare to get in and out traffic wise but I guess it has the added advantage of adding capacity between the cc and Ballymun as the 13 and the 4 are both struggling.

jd

I think it would be better if this new bus route went straight down to the quays from Ballymun (similar to the 83). I'm not sure how many more buses we can shove up O'Connell Street

magicbastarder

is there any sign that they might be reducing the frequency of some of the buses which share routes with it?
e.g. if it pretty much follows most of the 4 route, does this mean the 4 can be dialled back?

StreetLight

magicbastarder wrote: »

is there any sign that they might be reducing the frequency of some of the buses which share routes with it?
e.g. if it pretty much follows most of the 4 route, does this mean the 4 can be dialled back?

Doubt it very much. The 4 has only had an increase introduced recently and the 13 will be beefed up soon.

Stephen15

magicbastarder wrote: »

is there any sign that they might be reducing the frequency of some of the buses which share routes with it?
e.g. if it pretty much follows most of the 4 route, does this mean the 4 can be dialled back?

It's only following the 4 routing on the Northside on the Southside it will travel along much the same route as the 145 I don't think DB are going to run anymore buses on the Rock Road. The original press release said it will be travelling along the N11 I don't where Dun Laoghaire is coming out of.

Donald Trump

jd wrote: »

I think it would be better if this new bus route went straight down to the quays from Ballymun (similar to the 83). I'm not sure how many more buses we can shove up O'Connell Street

I think it would be better to have it as a direct express route avoiding the city centre. Go around the M50. One stop at either end.








Otherwise you might risk denizens of either place getting off the bus in other areas and potentially mixing with regular folk.

Stephen15

Not serving Dun Laoghaire and running on the N11 confirmed by the NTA as I thought. To be introduced no later than early March.

https://cabinteelylife.com/2019/01/15/dublin-bus-confirm-new-route-serving-cabinteely-n11-corridor/

AlekSmart

magicbastarder wrote: »

is there any sign that they might be reducing the frequency of some of the buses which share routes with it?
e.g. if it pretty much follows most of the 4 route, does this mean the 4 can be dialled back?

God no...right now the only game in town is expansion of services...ALL services,whether by adding routes/departures or by rectifying wildly unrealistic schedules,all of which are currently being attempted.

It has to be realized,and accepted,that the City's Administration,backed by Government Policy has to be forumulated at least 5-10 years in advance of actual changes,and Public Transport is but a single facet of this process.

Make no mistake,but be very clear that unrestricted Private Car access to city-Centre's across Europe will continue to be reduced,and that includes Dublin.

Dublin's reality is of a hugely restricted Heavy Rail system,which is not easily addressed in a timeframe of less than two decades,so for the foreseeable future it's the BUS,like it or lump it,and that means BusConnects in some form or other.

ted1

Pensioners could make a nice earner by doing ikea runs for the bray local. Use their free travel to pick up candles and pillows !!

caviardreams

Improved direct connectivity between UCD & DCU also which is another advantage.

dublinman1990

I was confused with that LovinDublin article about the bus going through Dun Laoghaire.

Who needs the 155 through there when Dun Laoghaire has the 45a/b & the DART going between there & Bray?

Still. It's good news all round for people living along the N11 to have another bus going further up Dublin's Northside.

Stephen15

dublinman1990 wrote: »

I was confused with that LovinDublin article about the bus going through Dun Laoghaire.

It was Noleen Reilly a Northside councillor who initially reported that it would be going only to DL. She probably thought that DL and Bray were right beside one another.

Victor

Would it be useful if it did something like this? https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Bray,+Co.+Wicklow/53.4062272,-6.278086/@53.3004727,-6.3247712,11z/data=!4m54!4m53!1m50!1m1!1s0x4867a8665bcc7daf:0xa78f3cce4cd37767!2m2!1d-6.1110741!2d53.200903!3m4!1m2!1d-6.1362408!2d53.2477538!3s0x48670809bdbc8bcb:0x8fba4ebf934d87f5!3m4!1m2!1d-6.1404123!2d53.2693085!3s0x48670878be4a0585:0x56555a0ed39bb5c1!3m4!1m2!1d-6.1729158!2d53.2885151!3s0x486708ecdcedb8db:0x511dfc0d7aa90d2f!3m4!1m2!1d-6.2561453!2d53.3376446!3s0x48670e99aa784cad:0x5dcfdf7ca9a17b0f!3m4!1m2!1d-6.2537098!2d53.344984!3s0x48670e900f29dc7d:0x97902355ad87f925!3m4!1m2!1d-6.2643474!2d53.3527729!3s0x48670e812357a997:0xc1294abc805b51f8!3m4!1m2!1d-6.2734333!2d53.3547193!3s0x48670c2addac4531:0x546665ab660bfe44!3m4!1m2!1d-6.2640609!2d53.3919468!3s0x48670e1b2f210481:0xe41bf7a8b8e7860c!3m4!1m2!1d-6.2677359!2d53.405094!3s0x486711fb4b96d939:0x82a1a12edd8c3ec5!1m0!3e2 through Deansgrange?

TheChrisD

So, this new route is basically 98% of the E1 proposed by BusConnects? 🤔

jippo nolan

ted1 wrote: »

Pensioners could make a nice earner by doing ikea runs for the bray local. Use their free travel to pick up candles and pillows !!

The buses will incorporate a roof rack to facilitate beds & other large goods!

bg07

So is this route going to be 24 hours?

AlekSmart

bg07 wrote: »

So is this route going to be 24 hours?

No plans as yet.

jd

AlekSmart wrote: »

No plans as yet.

Do you know if it goes up O'Connell Street (like the 4) or uses the quays (like the 145/83)?

Technocentral

Whats the big demand for Ballymuners to go to Bray? Bizarre route.

LeinsterDub

What an utterly pointless route. Just what the city need a other cross city route via an lár. Was any thought give to increasing connectivity to the airport from Ballymun?

AlekSmart

jd wrote: »

Do you know if it goes up O'Connell Street (like the 4) or uses the quays (like the 145/83)?

Yes 145 route to Westmoreland St then 140 route from OCS.

jd

AlekSmart wrote: »

Yes 145 route to Westmoreland St then 140 route from OCS.

140? So not just another route pushed through O'Connell Street, but it serves more of Finglas than Ballymun!

Stephen15

Technocentral wrote: »

Whats the big demand for Ballymuners to go to Bray? Bizarre route.

Where's the demand for Ballymuners to go to Monkstown or Grange Castle where the 4 and 13 go to. It's a cross city route designed for intermediate journies between Bray and the city centre and Ballymun and the city centre mostly. A bus service stops along the way it doesn't only run for people wishing to go from terminus to terminus.

Stephen15

LeinsterDub wrote: »

What an utterly pointless route. Just what the city need a other cross city route via an lár. Was any thought give to increasing connectivity to the airport from Ballymun?

There used to be three bus routes between Bray and the city centre the 45, 84 and the 145 but this has been cut back to only the 145 since network direct so there's definitely a demand for increased capacity on this route as the 145 is currently full and leaving people behind at bus stops. So room for extra capacity.

hmmm

What's the point of these ultra long running routes on low frequency 20 minute schedules, as the buses are going to be randomly spread out and you won't know if 5 will be along in a minute, or the next one won't be for an hour.

Birdsong

Stephen15 wrote:

Where's the demand for Ballymuners to go to Monkstown or Grange Castle where the 4 and 13 go to. It's a cross city route designed for intermediate journies between Bray and the city centre and Ballymun and the city centre mostly. A bus service stops along the way it doesn't only run for people wishing to go from terminus to terminus.

Even though it can be quite slow, this route is handy for going to Croke Park from Lucan, Clondalkin etc

Technocentral

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Stephen15 wrote: »

Where's the demand for Ballymuners to go to Monkstown or Grange Castle where the 4 and 13 go to. It's a cross city route designed for intermediate journies between Bray and the city centre and Ballymun and the city centre mostly. A bus service stops along the way it doesn't only run for people wishing to go from terminus to terminus.

Increase the 13 frequency so, its utterly crap.

Stephen15

Technocentral wrote: »

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Increase the 13 frequency so, its utterly crap.

It is being increased

bikeman1

What's the point in it going to IKEA? It's not the type of place that you would get the bus to bring your flat pack home with you!

I agree, a more sensible routing would be to turn right into Northwood and serve all the offices and apartments there, link up the Ballymun corridor with the Swords corridor and run it into the airport. Give a whole new swathe a link to the airport. And cover an area where there is people living and working with no bus. Turning left into IKEA serves very few and no houses.

Dyr

hmmm wrote: »

What's the point of these ultra long running routes on low frequency 20 minute schedules, as the buses are going to be randomly spread out and you won't know if 5 will be along in a minute, or the next one won't be for an hour.

It's so Dublin Bus can pretend they're running a train service

they increased the frequency of the 4 and its still a mess due to it's ridiculous route, all bunches and gaps

cherryghost

Bambi wrote: »

It's so Dublin Bus can pretend they're running a train service

they increased the frequency of the 4 and its still a mess due to it's ridiculous route, all bunches and gaps

But... but... but... MORE MORE MORE for Route 4!

:rolleyes:

I can't wait for their next announcements. 'Unlucky for some...!'

magicbastarder

speaking as someone who lives on the 4 route near DCU, and has friends in sandymount and monkstown, it's great for that.
but for getting to bray - it's the dart from the city centre for us. i can't imagine myself getting a bus all the way?

LeinsterDub

Stephen15 wrote: »

There used to be three bus routes between Bray and the city centre the 45, 84 and the 145 but this has been cut back to only the 145 since network direct so there's definitely a demand for increased capacity on this route as the 145 is currently full and leaving people behind at bus stops. So room for extra capacity.

The run a bus from Bray to the city centre . A bus from the city centre to the airport via Ballymun.

LeinsterDub

bikeman1 wrote: »

What's the point in it going to IKEA? It's not the type of place that you would get the bus to bring your flat pack home with you!

People work in IKEA

LeinsterDub

magicbastarder wrote: »

speaking as someone who lives on the 4 route near DCU, and has friends in sandymount and monkstown, it's great for that.
but for getting to bray - it's the dart from the city centre for us. i can't imagine myself getting a bus all the way?

A other route they could have added Airport, Ballymun , Griffith Ave , Clontarf Rd Dart.

magicbastarder

ikea deliberately build their stores in places where people will have to drive to, they don't want good PT links to their outlets. you'll buy more if you know you'll be putting your purchases in a car rather than carrying them home on a bus or train.

bikeman1

LeinsterDub wrote:

People work in IKEA

Yes, and the 140 bus serves IKEA already, which more than caters for its workers and customers. The road from Ballymun to IKEA goes through wasteland already. Believe it or not people work in Northwood, dare I say more than IKEA!

acquiescefc

I hope to god it will follow 140 route. Every single 140 going towards/leaving IKEA is standing room only after a couple of stops due to amount of people who can only get 140.
Its not just for the staff/customers at IKEA.

starbaby2003

Does anyone know route it will take Southside, will it mirror the 4?

thomasj

starbaby2003 wrote: »

Does anyone know route it will take Southside, will it mirror the 4?

More likely the 145

starbaby2003

thomasj wrote: »

More likely the 145

How will it serve DunLaoghaire then though? Would be a bit of a crazy route.

Stephen15

starbaby2003 wrote: »

How will it serve DunLaoghaire then though? Would be a bit of a crazy route.

It's not serving Dun Laoghaire that was a miss understanding

Stephen15

Bambi wrote: »

they increased the frequency of the 4 and its still a mess due to it's ridiculous route, all bunches and gaps

There wouldn't be so much a problem if they ran the service with an adequate headway. Currently you could have two buses leaving the terminus at the same time if one is late and another is on time.

starbaby2003

Stephen15 wrote: »

It's not serving Dun Laoghaire that was a miss understanding

Ah ok

Stephen15

LeinsterDub wrote: »

The run a bus from Bray to the city centre . A bus from the city centre to the airport via Ballymun.

That would require more resources than running one one bus between Ballymun and Bray. If they had more resources which they don't they could run those alignments you mentioned although there isn't anymore room in the city centre to lay over buses. The only place I could think of is Merrion Square but buses coming from the Northside would be pretty much running empty like the 25/a/b, 66 and 67 already are south of the river.

markpb

bikeman1 wrote: »

a more sensible routing would be to turn right into Northwood and serve all the offices and apartments there, link up the Ballymun corridor with the Swords corridor and run it into the airport. Give a whole new swathe a link to the airport. And cover an area where there is people living and working with no bus. Turning left into IKEA serves very few and no houses.

The last time DB tried to route buses through Northwood, the residents there complained that they didn’t want buses driving through their quiet estate. There’s also the issue that the roads inside Northwood aren’t public roads (in the owernship sense) and the maintenance of them is paid for by the owners (commercial and residential) so DB would have to get permission to go there.

patrickbrophy18

starbaby2003 wrote: »

How will it serve DunLaoghaire then though? Would be a bit of a crazy route.

That part was hearsay from the local newspaper despite me quoting it.

It will essentially be a truncated 145 which will compliment the 4 bus from town onwards to IKEA.