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Importing car from South Africa

  • 10-01-2019 1:20pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 24 SilverCoin2100


    Hi

    Could anyone give me some pointers on importing a car from South Africa? I travel there fairly regularly so have a realistic idea of what's out there (ie this isn't just a dreamer post! :-)

    Does the 30 year vrt rule for classics also apply to cars imported from outside the EU?

    Cars I'm thinking of are all in or around the 30 year old mark. Long term plan would be to have a 30+ year old classic to enjoy in Ireland and avail of the €56 annual road tax.

    Thanks in advance.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,287 ✭✭✭ dar_cool


    30 year rule applies to non eu cars but you will have to pay vat and customs fees. 56 euro tax is great, I really hope they leave it alone in future budgets as I have a few cars who will hit 30 in next few years


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,535 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Dades


    Note the VAT payable is on the invoiced price of the car PLUS the transport costs, which might be big from SA.

    Whatcha thinking of bringing back?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,854 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    Dades wrote: »
    Note the VAT payable is on the invoiced price of the car PLUS the transport costs

    PLUS the insurance costs

    "Wind is Ireland's oil" - An Taoiseach, 25/05/2022



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,466 ✭✭✭ mikeecho


    Dades wrote: »
    Note the VAT payable is on the invoiced price of the car PLUS the transport costs, which might be big from SA.

    Whatcha thinking of bringing back?

    What if someone was dishonest, and had the car shipped to the UK, and then drove it onto a ferry to Ireland to drive it all the way back from SA.
    (Edit...) From a TAX point of view



    because some ppl can't read strike thru text


  • Registered Users Posts: 78,216 ✭✭✭✭ Victor


    mikeecho wrote: »
    What if someone was dishonest, and had the car shipped to the UK, and then drove it onto a ferry to Ireland to drive it all the way back from SA.

    Assuming you aren't robbed or worse on the way, you've just added 14,000km to the clock.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,466 ✭✭✭ mikeecho


    Victor wrote: »
    Assuming you aren't robbed or worse on the way, you've just added 14,000km to the clock.

    But what's the situation from a tax point of view..

    I think you missed what I'm getting at.. it's not a 14k journey from the UK


  • Registered Users Posts: 206 ✭✭ BuzzMcdonnell


    Victor wrote: »
    Assuming you aren't robbed or worse on the way, you've just added 14,000km to the clock.

    I heard those militant groups in central Africa are great for giving directions.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 2,941 Mod ✭✭✭✭ macplaxton


    mikeecho wrote: »
    But what's the situation from a tax point of view..

    Might depend on when it arrives in Ireland.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,259 ✭✭✭✭ Esel


    Would it work out cheaper to first import it to the UK and then import to Ireland from there?

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users Posts: 16 ✭✭✭ falcof8l


    VAT is payable on entry to the EU.....if you choose the UK, Brexit aside....it will be the UK VAT chargeable.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,439 ✭✭✭ italodisco


    Okay but please tell us what car you have in mind!!


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 2,941 Mod ✭✭✭✭ macplaxton


    falcof8l wrote: »
    VAT is payable on entry to the EU.....if you choose the UK, Brexit aside....it will be the UK VAT chargeable.

    If a vehicle is being imported from a third country (non-EU), then it will also attract import duty as well as VAT.

    How much the import duty and VAT is depends on the tariff classification. If any doubt about the classification code, get a BTI (Binding Tariff Information) from HMRC.

    For the UK (at present), it depends on the classification. It'll either be 10% duty, 20% VAT or 0%, 5% effective VAT. For the lower rate to apply, it needs to be meet certain criteria. Classification / Duty rate should be the same for RoI, only the VAT rate will differ.

    https://www.gdlaw.co.uk/site/news/all-news/VAT_ruling.html

    I say "should" because I'm not sure the Revenue appreciates the finer points of a 9705 classification (apologies if they do).

    For Ireland it'll be either 10% duty / 23% VAT (or 0% duty / 13.5% VAT for a "collectors' item" - this might need some court testing here though)

    https://www.revenue.ie/en/vat/vat-rates/search-vat-rates/V/vintage-cars-motor-vehicles-.aspx
    https://www.revenue.ie/en/vat/vat-rates/search-vat-rates/C/collectors-items-collectors-items-.aspx

    Disclaimer: I am not a tax advisor. You may wish to engage the services of one that knows one end of a historic vehicle from another.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,850 ✭✭✭✭ endacl


    italodisco wrote: »
    Okay but please tell us what car you have in mind!!
    Please be this!!!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭ corglass


    mikeecho wrote: »
    What if someone was dishonest, and had the car shipped to the UK, and then drove it onto a ferry to Ireland to drive it all the way back from SA.
    (Edit...) From a TAX point of view



    because some ppl can't read strike thru text
    Plus there's no road from South Africa to the northern tip


  • Registered Users Posts: 16 ✭✭✭ falcof8l


    macplaxton wrote: »
    If a vehicle is being imported from a third country (non-EU), then it will also attract import duty as well as VAT.

    How much the import duty and VAT is depends on the tariff classification. If any doubt about the classification code, get a BTI (Binding Tariff Information) from HMRC.

    For the UK (at present), it depends on the classification. It'll either be 10% duty, 20% VAT or 0%, 5% effective VAT. For the lower rate to apply, it needs to be meet certain criteria. Classification / Duty rate should be the same for RoI, only the VAT rate will differ.

    https://www.gdlaw.co.uk/site/news/all-news/VAT_ruling.html

    I say "should" because I'm not sure the Revenue appreciates the finer points of a 9705 classification (apologies if they do).

    For Ireland it'll be either 10% duty / 23% VAT (or 0% duty / 13.5% VAT for a "collectors' item" - this might need some court testing here though)

    https://www.revenue.ie/en/vat/vat-rates/search-vat-rates/V/vintage-cars-motor-vehicles-.aspx
    https://www.revenue.ie/en/vat/vat-rates/search-vat-rates/C/collectors-items-collectors-items-.aspx

    Disclaimer: I am not a tax advisor. You may wish to engage the services of one that knows one end of a historic vehicle from another.

    Excellent info, Thank you.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭ hi5


    Here is the website for EU duty rates...

    http://madb.europa.eu/madb/euTariffs.htm


  • Registered Users Posts: 1 kwagga_beans


    falcof8l wrote: »
    Excellent info, Thank you.

    Hi - Did you ever come right with this? I am looking at doing something similar. Also from SA.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16 ✭✭✭ falcof8l


    No !


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,937 ✭✭✭ KevRossi


    corglass wrote: »
    Plus there's no road from South Africa to the northern tip

    There is.

    The last gap was bridged 15 years ago when the Chinese built a road from Nuakchott to Nouadhibou in Mauritania.

    OK, there's a 3 Km section of a minefield in the no mans land in desert on the border between Mauritania and Morocco to traverse, but apart from that, it's all tarred and there's plenty of corrupt cops and customs lads to keep you busy.

    This is the minefield in no-mans land in 2009. There's a path visible, but you don't leave it.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,706 ✭✭✭ Doctors room ghost


    Rumour has it there is still a good few 2 door mark 11 escorts out there that aged well in the dry climate.
    Any truth In that I wonder


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,147 ✭✭✭ daithi7


    How much would it be to import one of these beauties say

    vat? Rate?

    Vrt? Duties??

    other???

    thanks for any advice





  • Registered Users Posts: 1,989 ✭✭✭ Thinkingaboutit


    One possible issue is that for at least older vehicles rust protection might have been neglected compared to a European version.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,259 ✭✭✭✭ Esel


    I never heard of rust being a problem with SA imports.

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,859 ✭✭✭ Grab All Association


    2009 MK1 Golf would be a cool car to import.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭ washman3



    Saw a Cortina that was imported from SA. Absolute mint.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,690 ✭✭✭ Neilw




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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭ hoodie6029




  • Registered Users Posts: 1 banjokid


    What about bringing the car from SA into Amsterdam and clearing it there. Has anyone done this. Its cleared in the EU then. The taxes are supposed to be cheaper.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,156 ✭✭✭ w124man


    They are cheaper but to clear costs a lot more to do that and ship to Ireland costs as you can't drive it unless you have trade plates. Friend of mine tried that route with a few cars from Japan and reported that it was quicker, a lot more hassle with no real worthwhile savings



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