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AEW - All Elite Wrestling (*Spoilers for Latest Show*)

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    #782
    lawlolawl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭lawlolawl


    https://twitter.com/SashaBanksWWE/status/1133400327326244866


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    #783
    thebostoncrab
    Registered Users Posts: 3,491 ✭✭✭thebostoncrab


    Agent Coulson wrote: »
    Fulham fans would have said the same thing 18 months ago.

    They don't say that today.

    But it’s Tonys father that owns Fulham, not Tony Khan. Plus, and this might show my ignorance to the team so feel free to tell me if I’m over simplifying things, owning a team within a league where certain elements like how other teams train is out of your control is different than “owning the entire league”, which is what we have with AEW.


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    #784
    Agent Coulson
    Registered Users Posts: 60,479 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    thebostoncrab wrote: »
    But it’s Tonys father that owns Fulham, not Tony Khan. Plus, and this might show my ignorance to the team so feel free to tell me if I’m over simplifying things, owning a team within a league where certain elements like how other teams train is out of your control is different than “owning the entire league”, which is what we have with AEW.

    Tony's father is also the money man behind AEW not Tony, The Khan's weren't afraid to throw money into Fulham the problem was they bought the wrong talent while throwing that money into the club, They could quiet easily do the same with AEW.

    They also got better TV money off SKY and the PL than have off TNT no doubt.

    AEW is now a league competing with no one?


    AEW aren't competing with the WWE who own 90 to 95% of the market share of TV wrestling and major wrestling talent.

    AEW for right now are competing with TNA, ROH, MLW, Lucha Underground, NJPW. Maybe in a year or two or five when they might be in a position to take 10/20% share of the WWE market then we can all talk about them challenging WWE.


    Right now they are a like league of Ireland team trying to compete with the likes of Real Madrid week in week out.


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    #785
    CastorTroy
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    Just wait until they decide they want to start up the KFL


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    #786
    lawlolawl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭lawlolawl


    Agent Coulson wrote: »
    Tony's father is also the money man behind AEW not Tony, The Khan's weren't afraid to throw money into Fulham the problem was they bought the wrong talent while throwing that money into the club, They could quiet easily do the same with AEW.

    They also got better TV money off SKY and the PL than have off TNT no doubt.

    AEW is now a league competing with no one?


    AEW aren't competing with the WWE who own 90 to 95% of the market share of wrestling and wrestling talent.

    AEW for right now are competing with TNA, ROH, MLW, Lucha Underground, NJPW. Maybe in a year or two or five when they might be in a position to take 10/20% share of the WWE market then we can all talk about them challenging WWE.


    Right now they are a like league of Ireland team trying to compete with the likes of Real Madrid week in week out.


    AEW pretty much became the number 2 promotion just by existing and having their initial roster and the Khans backing them.


    They signed a TV deal with a potential reach of 90 million viewers per week on the strength of never being on TV before (Smackdown has a potential reach of 95 million at the moment).


    They are the the most viable threat to WWE since WCW and they've had one PPV.


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    #787
    ERG89
    Registered Users Posts: 11,611 ✭✭✭✭ERG89


    CastorTroy wrote: »
    Just wait until they decide they want to start up the KFL

    Shahid Kahn owns an NFL team so that joke makes no sense.


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    #788
    Agent Coulson
    Registered Users Posts: 60,479 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    lawlolawl wrote: »
    AEW pretty much became the number 2 promotion just by existing and having their initial roster and the Khans backing them.


    They signed a TV deal with a potential reach of 90 million viewers per week on the strength of never being on TV before (Smackdown has a potential reach of 95 million at the moment).


    They are the the most viable threat to WWE since WCW and they've had one PPV.


    AEW aren't even a promotion yet the are a TWO card PPV event.

    TNA became the number two promotion over decade ago and it's roster was ten times better than AEW's when Panda backed them and who have as much money if not more money than the Khan's and had a TV deal with Spike and where are they now as they couldn't eat into the WWE's market share.


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    #789
    lawlolawl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭lawlolawl


    CastorTroy wrote: »
    Just wait until they decide they want to start up the KFL


    Vince Mc Mahon is such a carny piece of garbage that the NFL won't let him buy a team which has led to him unsuccessfully trying to make his own football league twice (i'm declaring XFL 2.0 a failure already because, really, come on).


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    #790
    johnnyryan89
    Registered Users Posts: 8,804 ✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    lawlolawl wrote: »
    Vince Mc Mahon is such a carny piece of garbage that the NFL won't let him buy a team which has led to him unsuccessfully trying to make his own football league twice (i'm declaring XFL 2.0 a failure already because, really, come on).

    Tell us how you really feel?


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    #791
    Loughc
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 24,785 Mod ✭✭✭✭Loughc


    lawlolawl wrote: »
    i'm declaring XFL 2.0 a failure already because, really, come on.

    And you'll be right.... the XFL won't see more than 1 season, the American Alliance couldn't even last a season, either will this, again.

    Despite people loving NFL there's little appetite for it outside of a NFL season...

    Hell even the NFL is experiencing a decline in attendances and ratings domestically, the international market is where they're experiencing a revive.

    But of course Vince thinks his venture will defy all that as he thinks he's God, Vince was a fantastic wrestling Promoter 20-30 years ago, times have changed but his business skill haven't, his ego just won't let him accept it.


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    #792
    RollieFingers
    Registered Users Posts: 2,635 ✭✭✭RollieFingers


    Moxley vs Janela announced for Fyter Fest.


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    #793
    DEFTLEFTHAND
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    We can't really compare Fulham and the Jacksonville Jaguars to AEW. Both are worth serious money on paper while AEW is worth sweet fck all.

    This has awful similarities to TNA and the Carter family. What happens 5 yrs down the road when Dad gets sick of funding this thing?

    I think they really need to start making money out the gate to succeed long term. They've already made a good start judging by the alleged buyrate figure for last weekend, lets hope the interest continues.


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    #794
    brianblaze
    Registered Users Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭brianblaze


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    We can't really compare Fulham and the Jacksonville Jaguars to AEW. Both are worth serious money on paper while AEW is worth sweet fck all.

    This has awful similarities to TNA and the Carter family. What happens 5 yrs down the road when Dad gets sick of funding this thing?

    I think they really need to start making money out the gate to succeed long term. They've already made a good start judging by the alleged buyrate figure for last weekend, lets hope the interest continues.

    Dixie didn't have a background in sports, she was a music agent/marketing person in MPT, so at least they have that going for them

    I think people need to stop seeing it as a war, if they can co-exist, which I believe should be the plan, then it'll be great for the industry


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    #795
    sky88
    Registered Users Posts: 8,689 ✭✭✭sky88


    brianblaze wrote: »
    Dixie didn't have a background in sports, she was a music agent/marketing person in MPT, so at least they have that going for them

    I think people need to stop seeing it as a war, if they can co-exist, which I believe should be the plan, then it'll be great for the industry

    i think the amount of people salivating that this is wwe done as a company very strange like i fully understand if you dont like wwe and thats fine but i dont know cant we just like both if there putting on good shows.

    also we really cant judge AEW until they get on tv and thats really what counts if its a good show but ratings stink they wont be around long


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    #796
    correction
    Registered Users Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭correction


    brianblaze wrote: »
    Dixie didn't have a background in sports, she was a music agent/marketing person in MPT, so at least they have that going for them

    I think people need to stop seeing it as a war, if they can co-exist, which I believe should be the plan, then it'll be great for the industry

    That would be ideal. But they always get greedy and it's always the downfall.


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    #797
    2ndcoming
    Registered Users Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭2ndcoming


    Agent Coulson wrote: »
    AEW aren't even a promotion yet the are a TWO card PPV event.

    TNA became the number two promotion over decade ago and it's roster was ten times better than AEW's when Panda backed them and who have as much money if not more money than the Khan's and had a TV deal with Spike and where are they now as they couldn't eat into the WWE's market share.

    WWE still had a very strong roster of bonafide stars when TNA was pushing though: HBK, Taker, Batista, Foley, Edge, Cena, Flair, HHH, Rock, Orton at his peak, Jericho etc were all on the main roster still to some extent. They have failed to build the current gen to anything like those levels. Also TNA looked and really was 1999 Nitro revisited. Hasbeens and nearly men all over the product. For every AJ Styles there was 4 Konnans. That was never going to sell to anyone but a few diehards.

    In Omega and The Young Bucks, AEW are starting with the current no.1 singles wrestler in the world and the no.1 tag team in the world per PWI. WWE's stagnation has led to the rise of the indies over the past five years meaning there is a wealth of talent out there waiting to be unearthed: Ospreay, Walter, Naito, Okada etc. Well known to wrestling fans but they will be new and fresh to cable viewers on TNT. If they can strike deals for short programs for some of NJPW and ROH's top guys (given how both are usually open to allowing wrestlers work outside the promotions this is doable) and keep the balance 90/10 indie guys / ex-WWE they have a far better chance of upsetting the market than TNA ever did, imo.


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    #798
    lawlolawl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭lawlolawl


    2ndcoming wrote: »
    WWE still had a very strong roster of bonafide stars when TNA was pushing though: HBK, Taker, Batista, Foley, Edge, Cena, Flair, HHH, Rock, Orton at his peak, Jericho etc were all on the main roster still to some extent. They have failed to build the current gen to anything like those levels. Also TNA looked and really was 1999 Nitro revisited. Hasbeens and nearly men all over the product. For every AJ Styles there was 4 Konnans. That was never going to sell to anyone but a few diehards.

    In Omega and The Young Bucks, AEW are starting with the current no.1 singles wrestler in the world and the no.1 tag team in the world per PWI. WWE's stagnation has led to the rise of the indies over the past five years meaning there is a wealth of talent out there waiting to be unearthed: Ospreay, Walter, Naito, Okada etc. Well known to wrestling fans but they will be new and fresh to cable viewers on TNT. If they can strike deals for short programs for some of NJPW and ROH's top guys (given how both are usually open to allowing wrestlers work outside the promotions this is doable) and keep the balance 90/10 indie guys / ex-WWE they have a far better chance of upsetting the market than TNA ever did, imo.


    The talent swapping thing is one of the really important things about AEW.


    It means that they can fill holes in their roster temporarily if people get injured/want time off/whatever rather than the WWE model of a locked down roster who are expected to work 200+ days a year.


    People honestly think that any hot prospect free-agent is going to look at the two companies and pick WWE any more?


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    #799
    showpony1
    Registered Users Posts: 1,434 ✭✭✭showpony1


    briany wrote: »
    It's not necessarily being a company man that should be a bother - many wrestlers are, and always have been - but that should be for the back. It's more the idea of wrestlers putting their promotion over instead of themselves, like that's the important thing. Like it doesn't really matter what happens so much in a given match as it matters that the overall show is a success. There's something about that which undermines the whole kayfabe of the thing.

    yeah that was what my point was lol, the comment he made was on screen not "in the back." His character should be out for his own interests not whether AEW is competing with WWE.


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    #800
    cian68
    Registered Users Posts: 894 ✭✭✭cian68


    Bit of a random thought but did anyone else think Shawn Spears (Tye Dillinger) came off as Just A Guy? I know being thrown in to the battle royal deal isn't the best way to stand out but I hope for his sake he has more up his sleeve than being mates with Cody.


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    #801
    J. Marston
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    He is just a guy though. If they put someone who was a nobody in WWE high up their card, it would make them look bad.

    Goldust is a special exception with him being Cody's brother.


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    #802
    lawlolawl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭lawlolawl


    cian68 wrote: »
    Bit of a random thought but did anyone else think Shawn Spears (Tye Dillinger) came off as Just A Guy? I know being thrown in to the battle royal deal isn't the best way to stand out but I hope for his sake he has more up his sleeve than being mates with Cody.

    He is sort of a nobody though. They aren't going to make a big deal out of every single guy that ever even stepped inside a WWE ring.


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    #803
    cian68
    Registered Users Posts: 894 ✭✭✭cian68


    Yeah you're right. Just wonder how many guys are going to try to leave WWE thinking they'll be a bigger star elsewhere then realise maybe there is a reason they couldn't get over


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    #804
    CastorTroy
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    If being just a guy gets me someone like Peyton Royce, then I'll happily take the label


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    #805
    brianblaze
    Registered Users Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭brianblaze


    correction wrote: »
    That would be ideal. But they always get greedy and it's always the downfall.

    WCW didn't get greedy, they got complacent, and TNA didn't get greedy, they had no leadership of any great consequence and were duped into copying a failed model


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    #806
    TimesArrow
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    sorry of this has been mentioned already, but on the Gorilla Position pod today they talked about how Vince Russo reckons AEW and WWE are working together... so many lols


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    #807
    Loughc
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    TimesArrow wrote: »
    sorry of this has been mentioned already, but on the Gorilla Position pod today they talked about how Vince Russo reckons AEW and WWE are working together... so many lols

    Yea I read that elsewhere.... the headline may as well have said Russo craves attention....


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    #808
    brianblaze
    Registered Users Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭brianblaze


    https://twitter.com/TheJimCornette/status/1133751796650958849


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    #809
    sky88
    Registered Users Posts: 8,689 ✭✭✭sky88


    cian68 wrote: »
    Bit of a random thought but did anyone else think Shawn Spears (Tye Dillinger) came off as Just A Guy? I know being thrown in to the battle royal deal isn't the best way to stand out but I hope for his sake he has more up his sleeve than being mates with Cody.

    hes just one of those guys whos good but nothing special in any area and got lucky that he had a relatively stupid gimmick that got over. Wouldnt be near AEW without cody connection. I also get the feeling he has a real high opinion of himself as a great worker.


    but as people said hes marrying peyton hes the winner here


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    #810
    DEFTLEFTHAND
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    cian68 wrote: »
    Bit of a random thought but did anyone else think Shawn Spears (Tye Dillinger) came off as Just A Guy? I know being thrown in to the battle royal deal isn't the best way to stand out but I hope for his sake he has more up his sleeve than being mates with Cody.

    How many chances has this fella had to 'make it'.

    He's getting up there in yrs now. AEW should be focusing on younger talent.


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    #811
    lawlolawl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭lawlolawl


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    How many chances has this fella had to 'make it'.

    He's getting up there in yrs now. AEW should be focusing on younger talent.

    They need a few decent hands for the lower/mid card and the fans seem to like him.

    I don't see much harm in keeping him around unless they overpush him or pay him too much just because he is ex WWE. That's where TNA messed up with guys like him in the past.


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