Perished tyres - advice req. Less than 3 year old

Postman Pat

Hi all - hoping someone can offer advice. We bought a new car less than 3 years ago and got a puncture on back right tyre at the weekend. When I brought the tyre into the tyre centre yesterday to get it replaced (as puncture was in the side wall) - they said that the punctured Dunlop tyre was perished and should not be perished like that in less than 3 year with less than 65k km on the clock and said there may be a defect in the tyre. The back left tyre had similar cracks. Both are the original tyres on the car. They recommended going back to Dunlop or the dealer where I bought the car to seek some recourse.

I know nothing about tyres so has anyone been down this road before that can share their experiences/advice? Do you think there could be a defect and do you think a tyre manufacturer would offer anything?

_Brian

That puncture doesn’t look related to the perishing. Looks like it nipped on a kerb or pothole.

Any tyres with signs of perishing need to be changed.

listermint

The puncture appears to be mechanical it appears that an object caused it.

As for degredation 3 years is long enough for a tyre to degrade. It has been driving for 3 years and tyre inflation values have alot to do with the performance of a tyre. under inflated over inflated etc as major bearing on how it operates.


You have very little case for going to manufacturer tbh. And yes that tyre would have to be replaced. generally speaking id replace both sides of the same axle based on the length of time the tyres have been on the car.

Its not necessary to go with the same brand again for both axles but try keep the tyres consistent type / thread

Postman Pat

_Brian wrote: »

That puncture doesn’t look related to the perishing. Looks like it nipped on a kerb or pothole.

Any tyres with signs of perishing need to be changed.

Thanks Brian for the reply.

Trying to find out though if perishing of this nature is normal at 2.5-3 years of wear and 65k KM?

Rows Grower

I wish I was getting 65k km's from my tyres, that's a lot of wear.

The lads in the tyre place should have told you when the tyres were manufactured, it's written on them. I know the tyres on my parents wheelchair van had to be changed with very little mileage on them but they failed the nct because they were perished due to age.

Maybe your car was on display in a showroom for the summer before you bought it and the sun caused damage.

nim1bdeh38l2cw

Postman Pat wrote: »

Thanks Brian for the reply.

Trying to find out though if perishing of this nature is normal at 2.5-3 years of wear and 65k KM?

You should be on your 3rd set of tyres at this stage

Postman Pat

@listermint and @rows grower - thanks for the feedback and advice. The tyre centre said the tyres were 2015 and had seen cracks like that in 6 year old tyres but not 3 year old tyres. The Octavia was brand new with 10 miles on clock and purchased in March 2016 from Skoda dealer.

From your feedback though sounds like it is normal wear so - probably best I replace both back tyres and dont waste my time with manufacturer.

We changed the front tyres last year. Tyre centre said if I want to change back tyres to put new tyres on the back (as in an emergency situation - better grip tyres should be on the back) and leave front tyres where they are - would this be normal course of action? They recommended Michelin.

antodeco

Depending on the tyre 65K Kms is a serious amount of mileage on them. I've had tyres that I'd barely get 10k out of them.

Driving styles affects it. Weather affects it. Lots of different things, but 65K, for me, I'd be happy with getting that long!

jhud

I would be very happy getting 65k km out of them i get 40 to 45k km out of michelin tyres tyres before this was only 30k km I would be happy with just replacing tyres on both sides with same brand if i got that millage. I have to change mine about every two years depending on wear. Your mechanic as part or a service is checking your tyres for damage and wear and making you awear if it needs changing.

bazz26

OP, tyres are made of rubber which perishes over time as well as mileage. Getting nearly 3 years or 65k km out of a set of tyres is doing very well. I'm not sure what your expectation is or how long you think a set of tyres should last but you have got more than your money's worth out of them already and they need replacing especially the damaged one in the last photo which is on the wall and dangerous.

Postman Pat

I know nothing about tire lifetime or average mileage one should get so thank you all for posting your advice and setting me straight. Off to the tyre centre for 2 new back ones.

Whatever about the mileage, those tyres are just over 3 years old. Week 45, 2015 is the moulding date.

At 3 years in regular use, perishing like that is not normal and should not be accepted.

Lantus

As I understand it manufacturers use a tougher compound on new cars so they last longer.

My fabia has given me 3 years but the fronts need replacing.

Shop tyres won't give you anywhere near that.

Lantus

Lantus wrote: »

As I understand it manufacturers use a tougher compound on new cars so they last longer.

My fabia has given me 3 years but the fronts need replacing.

Shop tyres won't give you anywhere near that.

Pub talk. There is absolutely zero truth to that old wives tale.

I don’t see much wrong with those tyres to be honest, bar the damaged one.

corks finest

listermint wrote: »

The puncture appears to be mechanical it appears that an object caused it.

As for degredation 3 years is long enough for a tyre to degrade. It has been driving for 3 years and tyre inflation values have alot to do with the performance of a tyre. under inflated over inflated etc as major bearing on how it operates.


You have very little case for going to manufacturer tbh. And yes that tyre would have to be replaced. generally speaking id replace both sides of the same axle based on the length of time the tyres have been on the car.

Its not necessary to go with the same brand again for both axles but try keep the tyres consistent type / thread

Change them yearly FFS , safety first

corks finest

corks finest wrote: »

Change them yearly FFS , safety first

You buy your tyres from the center with the biggest windows, don't you?

mikeecho

Tyres are a consumable item.
You got a puncture.

Get a new tyre, and move on.

corks finest

JayZeus wrote: »

corks finest wrote: »

Change them yearly FFS , safety first

You buy your tyres from the center with the biggest windows, don't you?

Buy mine when needed buddy,do a fair bit of driving,so maybe you're behind the big window, always looking ( trolling)

khaldrogo

It's a Dunlop!! Anyone in the industry knows these tyre perish/crack like this after a couple of years.

Don't worry about it. Buy Conti next time!!!

Toyotafanboi

khaldrogo wrote: »

It's a Dunlop!! Anyone in the industry knows these tyre perish/crack like this after a couple of years.

Don't worry about it. Buy Conti next time!!!

Have to laugh, before I opened the images I was wondering was it going to be a Dunlop Sport Maxx, they are paunfully prone to perishing.

To be fair, it looks like a 3-4 mm tyre so fit for the bin shortly anyway but no way Skoda or Dunlop will be interested after 3 years or 65k kms, typical ****e advice from a tyre centre IMO.

Postman Pat

Thanks all - for the feedback. Genie mack - after some more research online - there's a heap of articles online about Dunlops cracking. That's the last set I'll be putting on the car for a while.

I see a recommendation here to get Continentals - anyone know of any common issues with them or Michelins which I'm now considering?

galvo_clare

Postman Pat wrote: »

@listermint and @rows grower - thanks for the feedback and advice.

We changed the front tyres last year. Tyre centre said if I want to change back tyres to put new tyres on the back (as in an emergency situation - better grip tyres should be on the back) and leave front tyres where they are - would this be normal course of action? They recommended Michelin.

That’s the current thinking alright even on a front wheel drive car.
Best tyres at the back to guard against oversteer.

Kenny Logins

Postman Pat wrote: »

Thanks all - for the feedback. Genie mack - after some more research online - there's a heap of articles online about Dunlops cracking. That's the last set I'll be putting on the car for a while.

I see a recommendation here to get Continentals - anyone know of any common issues with them or Michelins which I'm now considering?

I just put a pair of Sport Maxx RT2s on my car and I'll be keeping an eye on them now after seeing this thread, but TBH I'd be very happy to get one year/20k out of them.

ml100

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

khaldrogo wrote: »

It's a Dunlop!! Anyone in the industry knows these tyre perish/crack like this after a couple of years.

Don't worry about it. Buy Conti next time!!!

Have to laugh, before I opened the images I was wondering was it going to be a Dunlop Sport Maxx, they are paunfully prone to perishing.

To be fair, it looks like a 3-4 mm tyre so fit for the bin shortly anyway but no way Skoda or Dunlop will be interested after 3 years or 65k kms, typical ****e advice from a tyre centre IMO.

Noticed the same cracks on my mother's 162 yaris with 8k km, yes 8k km, production week was 1416, dunlop sport Maxx, I couldn't believe it, I've had problems with mitchelin cracking in the past but at much higher mileage/older tyres.

corks finest

galvo_clare wrote: »

Postman Pat wrote: »

@listermint and @rows grower - thanks for the feedback and advice.

We changed the front tyres last year. Tyre centre said if I want to change back tyres to put new tyres on the back (as in an emergency situation - better grip tyres should be on the back) and leave front tyres where they are - would this be normal course of action? They recommended Michelin.

That’s the current thinking alright even on a front wheel drive car.
Best tyres at the back to guard against oversteer.

Rotate

corks finest

ml100 wrote: »

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

khaldrogo wrote: »

It's a Dunlop!! Anyone in the industry knows these tyre perish/crack like this after a couple of years.

Don't worry about it. Buy Conti next time!!!

Have to laugh, before I opened the images I was wondering was it going to be a Dunlop Sport Maxx, they are paunfully prone to perishing.

To be fair, it looks like a 3-4 mm tyre so fit for the bin shortly anyway but no way Skoda or Dunlop will be interested after 3 years or 65k kms, typical ****e advice from a tyre centre IMO.

Noticed the same cracks on my mother's 162 yaris with 8k km, yes 8k km, production week was 1416, dunlop sport Maxx, I couldn't believe it, I've had problems with mitchelin cracking in the past but at much higher mileage/older tyres.

Unreal

lawred2

Postman Pat wrote: »

Hi all - hoping someone can offer advice. We bought a new car less than 3 years ago and got a puncture on back right tyre at the weekend. When I brought the tyre into the tyre centre yesterday to get it replaced (as puncture was in the side wall) - they said that the punctured Dunlop tyre was perished and should not be perished like that in less than 3 year with less than 65k km on the clock and said there may be a defect in the tyre. The back left tyre had similar cracks. Both are the original tyres on the car. They recommended going back to Dunlop or the dealer where I bought the car to seek some recourse.

I know nothing about tyres so has anyone been down this road before that can share their experiences/advice? Do you think there could be a defect and do you think a tyre manufacturer would offer anything?

3 years on one set of tyres. Lucky you.

JayZeus

JayZeus wrote: »

You buy your tyres from the center with the biggest windows, don't you?

Now Jay, unless you're fluent in American we're the centre of the universe. Alongside traders on the stock market.

mikeecho

mikeecho wrote: »

Tyres are a consumable item.
You got a puncture.

Get a new tyre, and move on.

How many shares do you have in a tyre manufacturer!

Get a puncture, get it repaired. Only a fool would buy a new tyre because of a repairable puncture.

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

To be fair, it looks like a 3-4 mm tyre so fit for the bin shortly anyway but no way Skoda or Dunlop will be interested after 3 years or 65k kms, typical ****e advice from a tyre centre IMO.

3-4 mm could be another year of driving so very very far from fit for the bin, what are some people smoking....

galvo_clare wrote: »

That’s the current thinking alright even on a front wheel drive car.
Best tyres at the back to guard against oversteer.

It’s absolute nonsense, best tyres should be on the driving wheels not this myth that’s is being spread around the motoring forum.

PaulKK

Amara Wet Slum wrote: »

Get a puncture, get it repaired. Only a fool would buy a new tyre because of a repairable puncture.

Not sure if you looked at the OPs images but the damage is not repairable on their tyre.

Amara Wet Slum wrote: »

It’s absolute nonsense, best tyres should be on the driving wheels not this myth that’s is being spread around the motoring forum.

It's not a myth at all.

https://kumhotyre.co.uk/kumho-news/should-you-fit-new-tyres-to-the-front-or-rear/

https://www.theaa.com/driving-advice/safety/car-tyres

https://www.continental-tyres.co.uk/car/technology/tyre-knowledge/tirelexicon-3-0/tirelexikon-3-7

Many more sources but you get the idea.

tabby aspreme

How many km's did you get out of the front tyres OP

PaulKK

PaulKK wrote: »

Not sure if you looked at the OPs images but the damage is not repairable on their tyre.




It's not a myth at all.

https://kumhotyre.co.uk/kumho-news/should-you-fit-new-tyres-to-the-front-or-rear/

https://www.theaa.com/driving-advice/safety/car-tyres

https://www.continental-tyres.co.uk/car/technology/tyre-knowledge/tirelexicon-3-0/tirelexikon-3-7

Many more sources but you get the idea.

I never said the ops was repairable. The post suggested all punctures should = a new tyre.

As for the “sources”, I don’t care what they say I disagree and in my opinion the best tyres should always go on the driving wheels. Drive a car with a bit of power and you won’t be long wanting the better tyres putting the power down.

malinheader

Lads I'm confused here. I have always been told to rotate tyres from front to back as to have the tyres with the most grip on the front. Is this now disputed as wrong. Front wheel drive car so would grip not be better on driving wheels

malinheader

malinheader wrote: »

Lads I'm confused here. I have always been told to rotate tyres from front to back as to have the tyres with the most grip on the front. Is this now disputed as wrong. Front wheel drive car so would grip not be better on driving wheels

It should this new myth should be ignored.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Now Jay, unless you're fluent in American we're the centre of the universe. Alongside traders on the stock market.

I, for one, welcome our new autocorrect overlord.

malinheader

malinheader wrote: »

Lads I'm confused here. I have always been told to rotate tyres from front to back as to have the tyres with the most grip on the front. Is this now disputed as wrong. Front wheel drive car so would grip not be better on driving wheels

The idea with rotating tyres is to help wear the tyres evenly. I have (factory fitted) directional tyres which are staggered sizes front and rear (wider at rear) so that’s not possible. The fronts wear a little more quickly towards the sides and the rears wear more rapidly across the tyre width as it’s a rear wheel driven car.

On a FWD or AWD/4WD car with same tyre sizes all around, it’s good practice to rotate your tyres though. It does make a difference over the life of the tyres.

uck51js9zml2yt

Postman Pat wrote: »

Thanks all - for the feedback. Genie mack - after some more research online - there's a heap of articles online about Dunlops cracking. That's the last set I'll be putting on the car for a while.

I see a recommendation here to get Continentals - anyone know of any common issues with them or Michelins which I'm now considering?

I use Michelin cross climate. Never had a problem with them.

flatty

Well I've heard it all now. Someone contemplating complaining to the manufacturer as they only got 65k from a set of tyres.

ml100

flatty wrote: »

Well I've heard it all now. Someone contemplating complaining to the manufacturer as they only got 65k from a set of tyres.

How about only getting 8k km, to me these tyres have a manufacturing defect, no way should they crack after 8k km and 2.5 years on a small light car!

Kenny Logins

malinheader wrote: »

Lads I'm confused here. I have always been told to rotate tyres from front to back as to have the tyres with the most grip on the front. Is this now disputed as wrong. Front wheel drive car so would grip not be better on driving wheels

Google it and decided decide for yourself. Don't listen to any one reply or post on here.

PaulKK

Amara Wet Slum wrote: »

As for the “sources”, I don’t care what they say I disagree and in my opinion the best tyres should always go on the driving wheels. Drive a car with a bit of power and you won’t be long wanting the better tyres putting the power down.

If you think you know better than Michelin/Continental/Kumho then by all means go ahead and do what you like.

I will take the advice of the actual companies that make the things.

Kenny Logins

PaulKK wrote: »

If you think you know better than Michelin/Continental/Kumho then by all means go ahead and do what you like.

I will take the advice of the actual companies that make the things.

Sure what would they know about "putting the power down"?

khaldrogo

Keenan Tasty Squirrel wrote:

It’s absolute nonsense, best tyres should be on the driving wheels not this myth that’s is being spread around the motoring forum.

I can't say whether they are better on the front or not but the latest info from the people/bodies that carry out the tests is to put the new on the rear.

khaldrogo

Keenan Tasty Squirrel wrote:

As for the “sourcesâ€, I don’t care what they say I disagree and in my opinion the best tyres should always go on the driving wheels. Drive a car with a bit of power and you won’t be long wanting the better tyres putting the power down.

You are absolutely entitled to your opinion........but it goes against what the industry experts say.
I'll take the advise of the people who spent time and money coming to their conclusion vs your opinion thanks

khaldrogo

ml100 wrote:

How about only getting 8k km, to me these tyres have a manufacturing defect, no way should they crack after 8k km and 2.5 years on a small light car!

A car that is sat up for long periods of time where the tyres are in direct sunlight being dried out while parked will have these issues. If you were in the tyre trade for any length of time you would know this.

khaldrogo

khaldrogo wrote: »

A car that is sat up for long periods of time where the tyres are in direct sunlight being dried out while parked will have these issues. If you were in the tyre trade for any length of time you would know this.

And if you understood it yourself, you wouldn’t be writing about tyres ‘being dried out’. It’s overly simplistic and typically misleading commentary from someone who thinks they have the inside track.

The amount of rubbish people come up with about tyres is staggering. A tyre fitter fits tyres. A wholesaler sells them on to a retailer who sells them to a customer. None of them know any more than each other. None of them know enough to override the only valid source; the manufacturer of the tyres in question.

And I have ‘industry experience’. Take what the manufacturer puts in writing as being the only truly valid statement about these things. Anything else, no matter the role or brand represented by someone who sells and fits tyres is biased and being presented by someone who typically lacks the ability to carry out a valid scientific analysis to present findings. The opinion of Joe from ABC Tyres is all but worthless.

Pkiernan

Amara Wet Slum wrote: »

How many shares do you have in a tyre manufacturer!

Get a puncture, get it repaired. Only a fool would buy a new tyre because of a repairable puncture.



3-4 mm could be another year of driving so very very far from fit for the bin, what are some people smoking....



It’s absolute nonsense, best tyres should be on the driving wheels not this myth that’s is being spread around the motoring forum.

You're completely and utterly wrong and you have no idea how a car changes direction.
Shame you can spout your garbage here freely.

magentis

Amara Wet Slum wrote: »

I never said the ops was repairable. The post suggested all punctures should = a new tyre.

As for the “sources”, I don’t care what they say I disagree and in my opinion the best tyres should always go on the driving wheels. Drive a car with a bit of power and you won’t be long wanting the better tyres putting the power down.

Try putting the power down when the car is upside down in the ditch.

lawred2

https://kumhotyre.co.uk/kumho-news/should-you-fit-new-tyres-to-the-front-or-rear/

PaulKK

lawred2 wrote: »

https://kumhotyre.co.uk/kumho-news/should-you-fit-new-tyres-to-the-front-or-rear/

This was posted a couple of pages back. I also included links from the AA and Continental.