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IE to lease UK fleet?

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  • #242
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,904 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Looks unlikely to happen now as it's believed some work has been found for a number of them in the UK to stay on as a result of the Liverpool-Norwich service being severed in half with each half going to different operators.

    This will result in fewer carriages becoming available than predicted.


  • #243
    GM228
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,917 ✭✭✭GM228


    devnull wrote: »
    Looks unlikely to happen now as it's believed some work has been found for a number of them in the UK to stay on as a result of the Liverpool-Norwich service being severed in half with each half going to different operators.

    This will result in fewer carriages becoming available than predicted.

    Got confirmation today that the leasing plan is a non runner.


  • #244
    CatInABox
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,943 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    Looks like they may have found a source for some trains after all. The NTA have told the Public Accounts Committee today that, subject to approval, they could get 41 carriages in two years time.

    See here.
    The NTA and Iarnród Éireann has prepared a business case for the purchase of an additional 41 intercity rail cars.

    Ms Graham said the additional carriages "if given government approval could be put into service in about 24 months".


  • #245
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,559 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    CatInABox wrote: »
    Looks like they may have found a source for some trains after all. The NTA have told the Public Accounts Committee today that, subject to approval, they could get 41 carriages in two years time.

    See here.

    those 41 cars are mostlikely the 41 intermediot cars for the existing ICR fleet, this is a project which has been discussed for a while now.
    better then nothing but won't really help the dublin suburban, but will come into their own whenever the ICR fleet is freed up from suburban duties, if it ever actually is .

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #246
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,632 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Those are the 22k intermediates, no most likely about it.

    The UK supply is dead for the short term, unless you want some life expired Pacers that need more work than the 2700s


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  • #247
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,513 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Are there no 2nd hand trains anywhere available to buy?

    I understand all would need different axles, bogies.

    Surely somewhere in EU there are excess coaches or DMUs, even ones 20 years old?


  • #248
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,632 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Geuze wrote: »
    Are there no 2nd hand trains anywhere available to buy?

    I understand all would need different axles, bogies.

    Surely somewhere in EU there are excess coaches or DMUs, even ones 20 years old?

    The vast majority of EU rolling stock won't fit our loading gauge

    That can't be fixed after construction


  • #249
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,559 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Geuze wrote: »
    Are there no 2nd hand trains anywhere available to buy?

    I understand all would need different axles, bogies.

    Surely somewhere in EU there are excess coaches or DMUs, even ones 20 years old?

    seems not. even if there were they would not fit our loading gauge unfortunately.
    the uk would really be the only sort of viable option for anything second hand, and they have nothing available now apart from clapped out pacer rail buses which were fit for the scrap yard 20 years ago never mind now. they wouldn't be suitable anyway as they have extremely poor acceleration and the coaches are very short so have few seats and little standing room.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #250
    Del.Monte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Del.Monte


    There's a couple of Spanish carriages at Blennerville and some MkIIIs at Moyasta.

    ****



  • #251
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,513 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Our track gauge at 1600mm is bigger than GB at 1435mm.

    So surely their loading gauge is smaller??


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  • #252
    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,380 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    Doesnt loading gauge also reference height? Just becuase the width between tracks is shorter, doesnt mean the height is, nor even the weight of the carriage itself.


  • #253
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,632 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Geuze wrote: »
    Our track gauge at 1600mm is bigger than GB at 1435mm.

    So surely their loading gauge is smaller??

    Their standard loading gauge is slightly smaller than ours yes.


  • #254
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,632 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Dravokivich wrote: »
    Doesnt loading gauge also reference height? Just becuase the width between tracks is shorter, doesnt mean the height is, nor even the weight of the carriage itself.

    Height and width of the physical vehicle. There are also dynamic envelope issues (clearance on corners) and platform height (ours are relatively high I believe?)


  • #255
    highdef
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,514 ✭✭✭highdef


    Geuze wrote: »
    Our track gauge at 1600mm is bigger than GB at 1435mm.

    So surely their loading gauge is smaller??

    It is smaller however other countries with the 1435mm gauge have MUCH larger loading gauges than Ireland. Sweden is one of the largest I know. I believe the max permissible is 11 ft 10 in x 15 ft 10 in - w x h


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