IE to lease UK fleet?

Ireland trains

I hope irish rail aquire the 185s as they look like nice trains.
I assume priority service enhancments would be
Maynooth
M3Parkway
Portlaiose/kildare
Balbriggan/drogheda

highdef

The 185's do look nice. They could be the narrowest stock on Irish rails in many years though. As they would be leased rather than bought, would the 2+1 seating in the first class section (plus extra legroom) be retained, I wonder?

Ireland trains

I would assume they qould remove first class and maby get green goodness livery and operate in 8 car formation

end of the road

Ireland trains wrote: »

I would assume they qould remove first class and maby get green goodness livery and operate in 8 car formation

i'd imagine they will most likely remain as 3 car and operate as 6 car formations. i'd also imagine that if the lease isn't very long then unless they are due a paint anyway that they may not be reliveried but rather vinyled. time will tell i guess.

highdef

Ireland trains wrote: »

I would assume they qould remove first class and maby get green goodness livery and operate in 8 car formation

I should have rephrased - I wonder if they will keep the 2+1 seating with longer legroom after they declassify the 1st class section?

Ireland trains

I doubt they will keep 2+1 as these are commuter services
Although it may be cheaper to just leave it the way it is

Charles Babbage

highdef wrote: »

The 185's do look nice. They could be the narrowest stock on Irish rails in many years though. As they would be leased rather than bought, would the 2+1 seating in the first class section (plus extra legroom) be retained, I wonder?

Why British trains? Would those from another European country not have a more generous loading gauge?

highdef

Ireland trains wrote: »

I doubt they will keep 2+1 as these are commuter services
Although it may be cheaper to just leave it the way it is

That's what I was thinking.

highdef

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Why British trains? Would those from another European country not have a more generous loading gauge?

Would be too generous for Ireland. Despite our broad gauge tracks, our loading gauge is rather restrictive in comparison. Not as bad as the UK but we could theoretically have rolling stock a good 2 - 3 feet wider, if we were to rebuild all of the infrastructure......obviously that will NEVER happen!

GM228

Ireland trains wrote: »

I would assume they qould remove first class and maby get green goodness livery and operate in 8 car formation

end of the road wrote: »

i'd imagine they will most likely remain as 3 car and operate as 6 car formations. i'd also imagine that if the lease isn't very long then unless they are due a paint anyway that they may not be reliveried but rather vinyled. time will tell i guess.

They will be 3 and 6 cars. There current livery is a vinyl also, what livery would be applied is unknown.

GM228

highdef wrote: »

The 185's do look nice. They could be the narrowest stock on Irish rails in many years though. As they would be leased rather than bought, would the 2+1 seating in the first class section (plus extra legroom) be retained, I wonder?

Various mods were discussed, bur seat reconfiguration was not discussed with Eversholt.

Ireland trains

The current interior looks nice so i hope they keep it the same
GM228, do you work for irish rail
If they purchase the trains then id say they may remove 2+1 seating at some point.
How much of the train is 2+1 seating at the moment

highdef

Ireland trains wrote: »

The current interior looks nice so i hope they keep it the same
GM228, do you work for irish rail
If they purchase the trains then id say they may remove 2+1 seating at some point.
How much of the train is 2+1 seating at the moment

Only a small section of one carriage. 15 seats, according to Wikipedia. Changing to 2 + 2 would probably result in only 5 extra seats.

Del.Monte

Look nicer than the ICRs that are already in service.

Ireland trains

The refurbished first class looks very nice on the TPE 185s
I cant attach a picture but they are white

highdef

Ireland trains wrote: »

The refurbished first class looks very nice on the TPE 185s
I cant attach a picture but they are white

Here ya go:

Ireland trains

If we get these trains id rather them on an intercity service than an icr

Ireland trains

If we get these trains id rather them on an intercity service than an icr

Ireland trains

If we get these trains id rather them on an intercity service than an icr

tabbey

Del.Monte wrote: »

Look nicer than the ICRs that are already in service.

That would not be difficult.

L1011

That is quite possibly the tackiest "premium" cabin I've seen on any transport mode in quite some time. And it is just a cabin, there are no further services offered. From experience on TPE services, "first class is suspended, please contact Trans Pennine Express for a refund" is far from an uncommon occurrence also! Leading to people standing in the slightly offset aisle, holding on to those handles on top of the seats.

highdef

L1011 wrote: »

That is quite possibly the tackiest "premium" cabin I've seen on any transport mode in quite some time. And it is just a cabin, there are no further services offered. From experience on TPE services, "first class is suspended, please contact Trans Pennine Express for a refund" is far from an uncommon occurrence also! Leading to people standing in the slightly offset aisle, holding on to those handles on top of the seats.

You mean, when first class is suspended, commuters are not even allowed to sit on the seats? They must stand beside them? I really cannot see that happening. And what's the big deal about standing in a slightly offset aisle. Is that an OCD thing you have about not being in a central position?

devnull

L1011 wrote: »

That is quite possibly the tackiest "premium" cabin I've seen on any transport mode in quite some time. And it is just a cabin, there are no further services offered. From experience on TPE services, "first class is suspended, please contact Trans Pennine Express for a refund" is far from an uncommon occurrence also! Leading to people standing in the slightly offset aisle, holding on to those handles on top of the seats.

Actually there are reading lights, plug sockets at each seat, slightly better Wifi and complimentary refreshments on a lot of services as well as more leg-room, 2+1 seating, a dedicated luggage rack and the First Class area has a door to isolate it from the rest of the train and to prevent noise.

It's not going to be out of this world because that would take capacity from the standard class passengers which is very much needed and unfortunately this train operator in particular was blocked from adding extra capacity for only a year or two off a decade, despite being asked to run extra services.

I've also never seen what you describe in relation to First Class being suspended and I've took about 10 journeys in the last 12 month on both the south and the North Transpennine services at peak times, so maybe you were just unlucky.

L1011

highdef wrote: »

You mean, when first class is suspended, commuters are not even allowed to sit on the seats? They must stand beside them? I really cannot see that happening. And what's the big deal about standing in a slightly offset aisle. Is that an OCD thing you have about not being in a central position?

No, as in all the seats are full and the aisles are full too. So effectively all the crushed passengers are getting is the 'thrill' of an aisle in a different place!

SeanW

If IE gets their hands on some Class 185s, surely they would be used on long distance services (Sligo, Rosslare, maybe Dundalk) and free up the 29000s running those services for Maynooth, M3 Parkway etc?

Ireland trains

Do irish rail use a 29000 on a rosslare service for capacity because if not then why dont they just swap it with a m3 parkway/maynooth icr

Thrashssacre

Ireland trains wrote: »

Do irish rail use a 29000 on a rosslare service for capacity because if not then why dont they just swap it with a m3 parkway/maynooth icr

The services which use a 29000 are very busy 3 or 4 car irc wouldn't cope

Thrashssacre

Any particular reason hsts weren't considered granted there borderline aincent now but scotrail were happy enough to take some, surely they'd provide greater capacity and passanger comfort.

Ireland trains

Irish rail need commuter/suburban trains.
Not intercity trains

Ireland trains

Irish rail need commuter/suburban trains.
Not intercity trains