Fluoride and drinking water

one world order

In Ireland like many other countries the chemical fluoride is added to the water which comes out of the taps in every home. Countless studies have shown fluoride in drinking water does not protect teeth. Also studies have shown a build up of fluoride in the bones over time leads to arthritis and bone cancers.

Fluoridation of water first began in 1939 in Germany when the Nazis used it to sedate the general population and make them more docile. The dental industry has lobbied greatly to get this in the water supply saying it is a harmless mineral that naturally occurs in the soil, but yet is imported from polluted sites in China. Is it time our government stops putting this chemical in the water supply?

Badly Drunk Boy

Of course! And they should start on Christmas Day...

HappyAsLarE

Ah Jim Corr, nice of you to join us.

gmisk

one world order wrote: »

In Ireland like many other countries the chemical fluoride is added to the water which comes out of the taps in every home. Countless studies have shown fluoride in drinking water does not protect teeth. Also studies have shown a build up of fluoride in the bones over time leads to arthritis and bone cancers.

Fluoridation of water first began in 1939 in Germany when the Nazis used it to sedate the general population and make them more docile. The dental industry has lobbied greatly to get this in the water supply saying it is a harmless mineral that naturally occurs in the soil, but yet is imported from polluted sites in China. Is it time our government stops putting this chemical in the water supply?

Gemma O Doherty is that you?
I have some tinfoil left over from the turkey if you fancy it to build a hat?

JMNolan

Can you cite peer reviewed sources for all of what you claim?

Captain Obvious

one world order wrote: »

In Ireland like many other countries the chemical fluoride is added to the water which comes out of the taps in every home. Countless studies have shown fluoride in drinking water does not protect teeth. Also studies have shown a build up of fluoride in the bones over time leads to arthritis and bone cancers.

Fluoridation of water first began in 1939 in Germany when the Nazis used it to sedate the general population and make them more docile. The dental industry has lobbied greatly to get this in the water supply saying it is a harmless mineral that naturally occurs in the soil, but yet is imported from polluted sites in China. Is it time our government stops putting this chemical in the water supply?

I'm not exactly clear on the end goal of the dental industry. Why are they pushing this agenda?

kneemos

Only fourteen million people in Europe receive flouridated water out of a population of three quarters of a billion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoridation_by_country

JMNolan

I suppose now that there is a thread on the topic, can someone tell me if flouride in the water is still really required?

DontThankMe

JMNolan wrote: »

Can you cite peer reviewed sources for all of what you claim?

It has been linked to lower IQs in a study if you do enough searching you kind find evidence to support some of his claims.

"In the present study, it was observed that IQ level was negatively correlated with fluoride concentration level in drinking water and it is highly significant (P < 0.0001)"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5285601/

But the way he is describing it does him no favours.

Guy:Incognito

Captain Obvious wrote: »

I'm not exactly clear on the end goal of the dental industry. Why are they pushing this agenda?

Dentists are really the illuminati.

Ipso

User name checks out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr2bSL5VQgM

Ripper: Mandrake?
Mandrake: Yes, Jack?
Ripper: Have you ever seen a Commie drink a glass of water?
Mandrake: Well, I can't say I have, Jack.
Ripper: Vodka, that's what they drink, isn't it? Never water?
Mandrake: Well, I-I believe that's what they drink, Jack, yes.
Ripper: On no account will a Commie ever drink water, and not without good reason.
Mandrake: Oh, eh, yes. I, uhm, can't quite see what you're getting at, Jack.
Ripper: Water, that's what I'm getting at, water. Mandrake, water is the source of all life. Seven-tenths of this Earth's surface is water. Why, do you realize that 70 percent of you is water?
Mandrake: Good Lord!
Ripper: And as human beings, you and I need fresh, pure water to replenish our precious bodily fluids.
Mandrake: Yes. (he begins to chuckle nervously)
Ripper: Are you beginning to understand?
Mandrake: Yes. (more laughter)
Ripper: Mandrake. Mandrake, have you never wondered why I drink only distilled water, or rainwater, and only pure-grain alcohol?
Mandrake: Well, it did occur to me, Jack, yes.
Ripper: Have you ever heard of a thing called fluoridation. Fluoridation of water?
Mandrake: Uh? Yes, I-I have heard of that, Jack, yes. Yes.
Ripper: Well, do you know what it is?
Mandrake: No, no I don't know what it is, no.
Ripper: Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous Communist plot we have ever had to face?

Fuzzytrooper

Captain Obvious wrote: »

I'm not exactly clear on the end goal of the dental industry. Why are they pushing this agenda?

Step 1: add flouride to water
Step 3: $$profit$$

Pkiernan

Well the sedation didn't appear to work on those dirtbags in Tallaght who looted the Lidl.

Ramp it up.

Sam Quentin

Serious question.. is it safe to drink water straight from the tap?

I only ever use bottled water.

Lia_lia

It's about time we had another fluoride thread.

kneemos

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Serious question.. is it safe to drink water straight from the tap?

I only ever use bottled water.

Kitchen taps is safe,if generally disgusting.
Bathroom taps comes from the attic tank,not so safe.

faceman

Do show us the peer reviewed research to support your claim OP.

Or maybe you won’t because there is none?

Eat a mince pie, watch A Dog’s Purpose and have a good cry OP.

Yer Da sells Avon

one world order wrote: »

Is it time our government stops putting this chemical in the water supply?

It's time to STFU, eat your fucking Quality Street and gear up for the Christmas episodes of EastEnders and Coronation Street. That's what time it is.

odyssey06

Seems like a pointless waste of money to me. Where is the cost benefit study on this?

SEPT 23 1989

its true so very ttue

Del2005

one world order wrote: »

In Ireland like many other countries the chemical fluoride is added to the water which comes out of the taps in every home. Countless studies have shown fluoride in drinking water does not protect teeth. Also studies have shown a build up of fluoride in the bones over time leads to arthritis and bone cancers.

Fluoridation of water first began in 1939 in Germany when the Nazis used it to sedate the general population and make them more docile. The dental industry has lobbied greatly to get this in the water supply saying it is a harmless mineral that naturally occurs in the soil, but yet is imported from polluted sites in China. Is it time our government stops putting this chemical in the water supply?

The German's where eating crystal meth like it was going out of fashion in 1938. So they were actively encouraging people to take crystal meth and trying to sedate them at the same time, something doesn't add up.

After Pervitin, a methamphetamine drug newly developed by the Berlin-based Temmler pharmaceutical company, first entered the civilian market in 1938, it quickly became a top seller among the German population.

Wildly Boaring

You realise a huge amoint of rural Ireland does not have flouride in their water.

Own wells
Group schemes
Small council schemes

Outside Dublin about 50% of council run extraction sites have no fluoride added.

Note these would all be the smaller sites so at a guess 20% of water users.

kneemos

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

It's time to STFU, eat your fucking Quality Street and gear up for the Christmas episodes of EastEnders and Coronation Street. That's what time it is.

All non conformists will report to the Bureau of Official Realignment.

PuppyMcPupFace

kneemos wrote: »

All non conformists will report to the Bureau of Official Realignment.

Anyone not watching Bond will have their Quality Street confiscated and then shot.

dense

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Serious question.. is it safe to drink water straight from the tap?

I only ever use bottled water.

What a question.
Where are you, India????

Bottled water contains twice as much grit and crap, otherwise known as "natural minerals", as tap water.

Bottled water is just a highy lucrative latter day marketing fad for those who are easily led.
What it is with people needing to carry a bottle of water about all the time? You'd think they were living in the bloody Sahara.

Save your money.

kneemos

dense wrote: »

What a question.
Where are you, India????

Bottled water contains twice as much grit and crap, otherwise known as "natural minerals", as tap water.

Bottled water is just a highy lucrative latter day marketing fad for those who are easily led.
What it is with people needing to carry a bottle of water about all the time? You'd think they were living in the bloody Sahara.

Save your money.

Tap water smells like bleach and tastes gross.

Wildly Boaring

kneemos wrote: »

Tap water smells like bleach and tastes gross.

Each source tastes differently.
Each source will be treated differently to be safe to drink.

Galway city water tastes like muck.

Was in mitchelstown the other day. May as well have been ballygowan coming from the tap

dense

kneemos wrote: »

Tap water smells like bleach and tastes gross.

That's what my 7 year old says!
Also similar to what most people say having their first alcoholic beverage or cigarette too I'd guess.
They seem to persevere after getting used to it.

You're just looking for an excuse to carry around bottled water because you probably think it makes you look like you're into your wellbeing, can afford the odd personal treat, and are a bit keep fit and need regular hydrating. And you need to show it.

A marketer's dream.

Drink the fkin stuff out of the tap, it won't kill ya.

Esel

You can't beat a bottle of rain.

kneemos

dense wrote: »

That's what my 7 year old says!
Also similar to what most people say having their first alcoholic beverage or cigarette too I'd guess.
They seem to persevere after getting used to it.

You're just looking for an excuse to carry around bottled water because you probably think it makes you look like you're into your wellbeing, can afford the odd personal treat, and are a bit keep fit and need regular hydrating. And you need to show it.

A marketer's dream.

Drink the fkin stuff out of the tap, it won't kill ya.

The crap I've seen come out of my tap you'll forgive me if I pass.

dense

kneemos wrote: »

The crap I've seen come out of my tap you'll forgive me if I pass.

Then you should contact Irish Water about it.
They're on here, go and complain at their Talk to page.
They can tell you what your water should be like for you location.

mad muffin

Godwined in OP…

Gimme A Pound

Surely it would benefit dentists more if there wasn't fluoride in the water supply.

Kurtosis

DontThankMe wrote: »

It has been linked to lower IQs in a study if you do enough searching you kind find evidence to support some of his claims.

"In the present study, it was observed that IQ level was negatively correlated with fluoride concentration level in drinking water and it is highly significant (P < 0.0001)"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5285601/

But the way he is describing it does him no favours.

That "evidence" doesn't offer much support, sure the medium fluoride group have higher IQs than both the low and high fluoride groups. Plus they just picked three areas with high, medium and low fluoride and attribute any IQ differences to that, forgetting about other factors like socioeconomic status or quality of schooling.

ted1

one world order wrote: »

In Ireland like many other countries the chemical fluoride is added to the water which comes out of the taps in every home. Countless studies have shown fluoride in drinking water does not protect teeth. Also studies have shown a build up of fluoride in the bones over time leads to arthritis and bone cancers.

Fluoridation of water first began in 1939 in Germany when the Nazis used it to sedate the general population and make them more docile. The dental industry has lobbied greatly to get this in the water supply saying it is a harmless mineral that naturally occurs in the soil, but yet is imported from polluted sites in China. Is it time our government stops putting this chemical in the water supply?

Please link to your findings. Also please look up At the levels of natrually occurring levels of fluoride in European and other countries compared to Ireland.

dense

This whole flouride thing has echoes of the chemtriails waffle and is probably shared by both camps.

The ones who believe it are somehow magically protected from the effects that the rest of the population is experiencing unbeknown to themselves, being sedated, being a bit thick etc.

And therefore it behoves the ones unaffected by fluoride to be ringmasters to whip the affected ones out of their sedated state. Clowns the lot of them.

Twenty Grand

*Reads OPs post history.

Yup, not worth the bother to refute...

super_furry

Imagine this was all you had to do on Christmas Day.

one world order

JMNolan wrote: »

Can you cite peer reviewed sources for all of what you claim?

https://fluoridealert.org/issues/health/brain/

The above will bring you into hundreds of studies carried out showing the harmful effects of fluoride water has on the pineal gland, brain and organs of the body. But hey let's keep a closed mind and if anybody questions the worldview our mainstream media tells us, then we will throw insults, right?

JMNolan

Good paper here on the topic

https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/ktoo/2018/12/BMC-Oral-Health-Consequences-of-community-water-fluoridation-cessation.pdf?_ga=2.236820680.859321409.1546349504-1101336106.1546349504

Removing fluoride from the water in Juneua, Alaska twelve years ago led to a significant increase in dental cavities, according to an analysis of Medicaid dental claims

one world order

JMNolan wrote: »

Good paper here on the topic

https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/ktoo/2018/12/BMC-Oral-Health-Consequences-of-community-water-fluoridation-cessation.pdf?_ga=2.236820680.859321409.1546349504-1101336106.1546349504

Removing fluoride from the water in Juneua, Alaska twelve years ago led to a significant increase in dental cavities, according to an analysis of Medicaid dental claims

Interesting independent studies discuss the harmful effects of fluoride has on the body and the non improvement of dental cavities. However government run studies such as the one above from Medicare and Medicaid brainwash us with false statistics of improvements in dental cavities from putting fluoride in the water supply.

TheValeyard

one world order wrote: »

Interesting independent studies discuss the harmful effects of fluoride has on the body and the non improvement of dental cavities. However government run studies such as the one above from Medicare and Medicaid brainwash us with false statistics of improvements in dental cavities from putting fluoride in the water supply.

Those studies were probably endorsed by the small number of dentists who think sugar is good for your teeth.

The Satanist

I play it safe by drinking beer exclusively.

_Brian

If this bothers people why don’t they just use filtered water or buy cheap bottled water.

Is there really a need to be ranting on about this crap all the time.

Just get on with life.

greenspurs

PuppyMcPupFace wrote: »

Anyone not watching Bond will have their Quality Street confiscated and then shot.

Why would you shoot Quality Street ?!? :eek:

I know they don't taste as good as they used to , but they have no fluoride in them ?!

Quickpip

one world order wrote: »

Interesting independent studies discuss the harmful effects of fluoride has on the body and the non improvement of dental cavities. However government run studies such as the one above from Medicare and Medicaid brainwash us with false statistics of improvements in dental cavities from putting fluoride in the water supply.

Lies dam lies and statistics. Im sure there are studies that will validate any belief you have, its really the quality of study that matters.
On the question of fluoridation of the irish water supply, the decay rate for children is significantly higher in Northern Ireland than the Republic. In fact they are amongst the worst in Europe. Now given the diets and oral hygiene levels of the populations would be similar how do you account for that?
Given that the benefits (at least for tooth decay) have been demonstrated and that the contra indications for using fluoridation have not been proven( pros vs cons) then the real issue of Fluoridation is really an ethical one i.e. the autonomy of our population.
Its not fair saying well people should use bottled water/filtered etc as they may not have the financial ability to do that and also the supplied tap water has also been used to manufacture other foodstuffs.
At this stage given the level of decay experienced in Northern Ireland with the resultant strain that puts on health services i would still be in favour of retaining the fluoridation but this may change as government policy changes towards sugar intake!
Perhaps the paternalistic approach can be dispensed with?

Guy:Incognito

one world order wrote: »

https://fluoridealert.org/issues/health/brain/

The above will bring you into hundreds of studies carried out showing the harmful effects of fluoride water has on the pineal gland, brain and organs of the body. But hey let's keep a closed mind and if anybody questions the worldview our mainstream media tells us, then we will throw insults, right?

Straight away the name of the site reassured me it's about a balanced view.........

daheff

kneemos wrote: »

Kitchen taps is safe,if generally disgusting.
Bathroom taps comes from the attic tank,not so safe.

Both come from the same original source -public water mains (generally)....attic tank (especially as they age) tend to accumulate sediment and may not be the most healthy to drink from...but usually fine

daheff

A lot of countries that no longer fluoridate their water have commercial enterprises running the water supply. Fluoridation is a cost to them, so removing this cost is in their interests. Who knows whether they are involved or not in the anti Fluoride movement

Women without Makeup

one world order wrote: »

In Ireland like many other countries the chemical fluoride is added to the water which comes out of the taps in every home. Countless studies have shown fluoride in drinking water does not protect teeth. Also studies have shown a build up of fluoride in the bones over time leads to arthritis and bone cancers.

Fluoridation of water first began in 1939 in Germany when the Nazis used it to sedate the general population and make them more docile. The dental industry has lobbied greatly to get this in the water supply saying it is a harmless mineral that naturally occurs in the soil, but yet is imported from polluted sites in China. Is it time our government stops putting this chemical in the water supply?

Maybe we've feel more entitled to complain about it if we were actually paying for our water.