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    #212
    the_syco
    Registered Users Posts: 37,295 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46626093
    The Tipperary TD added that "the courts and the sheriffs" should be the last resort.
    The eviction is the last resort...!

    Also, it seems the people now living in the house have the same rights as protesters.


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    #213
    overkill602
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    It would be simplistic at best to say this was an eviction that should not have been attempted given the occupant’s connections I would suffice to say the evictors walked into a trap.
    Spoke to a very well informed local in the area the people inside are actively connected to the IRA and well known to some of our elected representatives.
    As for the people who now remain back in the house they have a reputation of not paying for anything including the big shed at the rear for housing equipment in their locally owned quarry.


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    #214
    4ensic15
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    overkill602 wrote: »
    It would be simplistic at best to say this was an eviction that should not have been attempted given the occupant’s connections I would suffice to say the evictors walked into a trap.
    Spoke to a very well informed local in the area the people inside are actively connected to the IRA and well known to some of our elected representatives.
    As for the people who now remain back in the house they have a reputation of not paying for anything including the big shed at the rear for housing equipment in their locally owned quarry.

    that is just drivel that is being peddled by vested interests. Why would a bank lend money to someone with a reputation for not paying for anything?


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    #215
    overkill602
    Registered Users Posts: 267 ✭✭overkill602


    4ensic15 wrote: »
    that is just drivel that is being peddled by vested interests. Why would a bank lend money to someone with a reputation for not paying for anything?
    they owe a local contractor 47k for that shed u want more?


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    #216
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 38,896 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Looks like scum sympathetic to the "won't pay" crowd in Roscommon have moved onto damaging more property...

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/gardai-seal-off-bank-office-block-after-criminal-damage-overnight-37647745.html


    Hopefully gardai get those responsible and quickly!


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    #217
    l5auim2pjnt8qx
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    When the so called Leader of the country missed an opportunity in the Dail to ensure safety of it's elderly people instead throwing man child hissy strops at opposition parties in the Dail and admitting to being a bit of a "Disco Dolly " gushing over I LOVE KYLIE on the Late Late Show , showing little backbone in agreeing to the handover off 300 million to Anglo Irish Bank junior bond holders........its not easy to see why Civil Disobedience will occur.

    Government is meant to protect it's Citizen's not Attack them.


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    #218
    l5auim2pjnt8qx
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    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    Looks like scum sympathetic to the "won't pay" crowd in Roscommon have moved onto damaging more property...

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/gardai-seal-off-bank-office-block-after-criminal-damage-overnight-37647745.html


    Hopefully gardai get those responsible and quickly!

    No reports on who carried out the attack calling people scum is not helping the situation.

    Alot of people are scared at the moment.


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    #219
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    Zayd Quaint Marsupial wrote: »
    No reports on who carried out the attack calling people scum is not helping the situation.

    Alot of people are scared at the moment.

    Any one who deliberately tries to burn down a building is scum.


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    #220
    relax carry on
    Registered Users Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭relax carry on


    Zayd Quaint Marsupial wrote: »
    No reports on who carried out the attack calling people scum is not helping the situation.

    Alot of people are scared at the moment.

    The people who are scared of whatever at the moment should engage with state and charitable supports that are available in pretty much every area they are scared of.

    People who never engage, bury their heads in the sand, turn to pseudo legal/Freeman groups for a snakeoil solution or engage criminals aren't doing themselves any favours. These groups make it harder for those genuine cases to access a sympathetic audience.


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    #221
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 38,896 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Zayd Quaint Marsupial wrote: »
    When the so called Leader of the country missed an opportunity in the Dail to ensure safety of it's elderly people instead throwing man child hissy strops at opposition parties in the Dail and admitting to being a bit of a "Disco Dolly " gushing over I LOVE KYLIE on the Late Late Show , showing little backbone in agreeing to the handover off 300 million to Anglo Irish Bank junior bond holders........its not easy to see why Civil Disobedience will occur.

    Government is meant to protect it's Citizen's not Attack them.
    1. the so called leader was elected to the Dáil and subsequently elected by the leading party to become taoiseach. What do you mean by "so called leader"?
    2. Not sure what the relevance of your Kylie stuff is
    3. in terms of the payments to the junior Anglo bondholders, given that they have constitutional protection, what would you suggest he do to show some backbone?
    4. civil disobedience? Like killing a dog and beating the crap out of people doing their job?


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    #222
    l5auim2pjnt8qx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 151 ✭✭l5auim2pjnt8qx


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    1. the so called leader was elected to the Dáil and subsequently elected by the leading party to become taoiseach. What do you mean by "so called leader"?
    2. Not sure what the relevance of your Kylie stuff is
    3. in terms of the payments to the junior Anglo bondholders, given that they have constitutional protection, what would you suggest he do to show some backbone?
    4. civil disobedience? Like killing a dog and beating the crap out of people doing their job?

    Not the country' s Leader and certainly not showing leadership in an hour of need. Quote ...not 1 red cent will be paid back to Anglo airish Bank.

    Not condeming hired thugs by KBC.
    Who reported killing of a dog?


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    #223
    L1011
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    Zayd Quaint Marsupial wrote: »
    When the so called Leader of the country missed an opportunity in the Dail to ensure safety of it's elderly people instead throwing man child hissy strops at opposition parties in the Dail and admitting to being a bit of a "Disco Dolly " gushing over I LOVE KYLIE on the Late Late Show , showing little backbone in agreeing to the handover off 300 million to Anglo Irish Bank junior bond holders........its not easy to see why Civil Disobedience will occur.

    Government is meant to protect it's Citizen's not Attack them.

    If you are trying to imply what your post comes across as, it falls below all acceptable standards here. Can you clarify this post properly so any action required can be taken


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    #224
    l5auim2pjnt8qx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 151 ✭✭l5auim2pjnt8qx


    L1011 wrote: »
    If you are trying to imply what your post comes across as, it falls below all acceptable standards here. Can you clarify this post properly so any action required can be taken

    What does it come across as? pointing out A leader who is well known for his spinning to the media has clearly taken his eye of the ball instead is happy supplying propaganda on a Late Late show .....merely relaying the facts.


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    #225
    DubCount
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    Zayd Quaint Marsupial wrote: »
    Government is meant to protect it's Citizen's not Attack them.

    Citizens are meant to pay their bills, not ignore them.

    Freedom is never completely unrestricted. I cant walk into my local Tesco and walk out with my groceries without paying while screaming "Food is a basic human right!!". If you dont pay a mortgage, you loose your house, and the Government provides emergency accommodation or social housing - just like everyone else that becomes homeless.

    If you dont pay, you cant stay.


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    #226
    L1011
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    Zayd Quaint Marsupial wrote: »
    What does it cone across as? pointing out A leader who is well known for his spinning to the media has clearly taken his eye of the ball instead is happy supplying propaganda on a Late Late show .....merely relaying the facts.

    There is more than a slight homophobic undercurrent in how that post comes across. If you do not intend this I suggest you clarify


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    #227
    l5auim2pjnt8qx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 151 ✭✭l5auim2pjnt8qx


    L1011 wrote: »
    There is more than a slight homophobic undercurrent in how that post comes across. If you do not intend this I suggest you clarify

    Certainly not homophobic content intended as communicated in earlier or which may have been misunderstood by other people.


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    #228
    l5auim2pjnt8qx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 151 ✭✭l5auim2pjnt8qx


    DubCount wrote: »
    Citizens are meant to pay their bills, not ignore them.

    Freedom is never completely unrestricted. I cant walk into my local Tesco and walk out with my groceries without paying while screaming "Food is a basic human right!!". If you dont pay a mortgage, you loose your house, and the Government provides emergency accommodation or social housing - just like everyone else that becomes homeless.

    If you dont pay, you cant stay.

    Yes you can walk out but you will be arrested by security who are registered and employed by the supermarket ....you will be restraint and held until Gardai arrive

    Hardly comparing apples with apples with a bank that hired un unregistered thugs as security and subsequently had elderly people beaten up.


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    #229
    abcabc123123
    Registered Users Posts: 286 ✭✭abcabc123123


    Zayd Quaint Marsupial wrote: »
    ....merely relaying the facts.
    These are opinions, not facts.


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    #230
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 38,896 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Zayd Quaint Marsupial wrote: »
    Not the country' s Leader and certainly not showing leadership in an hour of need. Quote ...not 1 red cent will be paid back to Anglo airish Bank.
    What do you mean "not the country's leader? Who is the leader then?
    In terms of Anglo, you still haven't said how we could get away without paying what is constitutionally protected to the bondholders. Have another go please.


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    #231
    l5auim2pjnt8qx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 151 ✭✭l5auim2pjnt8qx


    abcabc123123 wrote: »
    These are opinions, not facts.

    Quite clearly facts :


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    #232
    l5auim2pjnt8qx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 151 ✭✭l5auim2pjnt8qx


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    What do you mean "not the country's leader? Who is the leader then?
    In terms of Anglo, you still haven't said how we could get away without paying what is constitutionally protected to the bondholders. Have another go please.

    Leader question already clarified.

    Junior bondholder's are not guaranteed to be paid 100% gamblers .....threaten the state with legal action "So What" toxic bank already wrapped up
    You gamble you lose...


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    #233
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 38,896 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Zayd Quaint Marsupial wrote: »
    Junior bondholder's are not guaranteed to be paid 100% gamblers .....threaten the state with legal action "So What" toxic bank already wrapped up
    You gamble you lose...
    So constitutional protection means nothing to you then?


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    #234
    l5auim2pjnt8qx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 151 ✭✭l5auim2pjnt8qx


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    So constitutional protection means nothing to you then?

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/anglo-junior-bondholders-will-not-be-repaid-in-any-circumstances-says-kenny-1.


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    #235
    the_syco
    Registered Users Posts: 37,295 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Zayd Quaint Marsupial wrote: »
    You gamble you lose...
    And yet when someone doesn't pay what they owe, you think that's totally okay?


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    #236
    l5auim2pjnt8qx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 151 ✭✭l5auim2pjnt8qx


    Zayd Quaint Marsupial wrote: »
    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/anglo-junior-bondholders-will-not-be-repaid-in-any-circumstances-says-kenny-1.

    Taoiseach Enda Kenny has said he does not see any circumstances where junior bondholders will be paid following the liquidation of IBRC.

    Earlier, Minister for Education Jan O’Sullivan said she fully supports her party leader, Tánaiste Joan Burton, in her stand on junior bondholders, and her assertion that they will not be paid.

    On Sunday Ms Burton ruled out the possibility of junior bondholders in Anglo getting a payout from the liquidation of the Irish Bank Resolution Corporation.

    Ms O'Sullivan said the Irish taxpayer is the priority for payment.

    Minister for Health Leo Varadkar has also said he believes that junior bondholders will not receive a payment from the liquidation.

    Speaking at an event at Beaumont Hospital


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    #237
    l5auim2pjnt8qx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 151 ✭✭l5auim2pjnt8qx


    the_syco wrote: »
    And yet when someone doesn't pay what they owe, you think that's totally okay?

    I believe that debt restructuring be insisted by state in helping people out of debt
    as many models have shown us people in debt will sink further and further as was this case , desperation spiralling out of control.

    Some people are happy watching individual being beaten up as opposed to the debt's being cleared, that says more of us as a nation instead of dealing wth the issue

    A nation is defined out it treats its elderly Citizens.......On a world stage we are failing miserably and looking like a basket case.


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    #238
    heroics
    Registered Users Posts: 1,878 ✭✭✭heroics


    Zayd Quaint Marsupial wrote: »
    Quite clearly facts :

    This might help you https://keydifferences.com/difference-between-fact-and-opinion.html

    You had opinions not facts


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    #239
    the_syco
    Registered Users Posts: 37,295 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Zayd Quaint Marsupial wrote: »
    A nation is defined out it treats its elderly Citizens.......
    How is 50 years old "elderly"?
    Zayd Quaint Marsupial wrote: »
    I believe that debt restructuring be insisted by state in helping people out of debt
    He has assets that he's not using, but refuses to sell them off to restructure the debt.


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    #240
    relax carry on
    Registered Users Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭relax carry on


    Zayd Quaint Marsupial wrote: »
    I believe that debt restructuring be insisted by state

    There are multiple avenues open to those people in debt in the state. Unfortunately sometimes even when all the avenues are exhausted there's nothing for it but bankruptcy and/or the sale of the asset(s).

    The rest of your post is just emotional responses, which while understandable to an extent, solves nothing. A state is not run on emotional responses.

    In the case at the heart of this is someone who doesn't appear to engaged in any meaningful manner with the supports available to him which has led to emotional responses to a plight of his own making.


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    #241
    jimmycrackcorm
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    Zayd Quaint Marsupial wrote:
    Some people are happy watching individual being beaten up as opposed to the debt's being cleared, that says more of us as a nation instead of dealing wth the issue

    Why should anyone pay back mortgages and debts of we can all have then magically cleared


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