Sat Dec 8, 2018

BumperD

Ok let’s have them....

BumperD

Gone with the mug treble Altior/Lalor/Definitely Red 3.5/1

Some great racing this weekend

kiers47

Looking forward to seeing Altior do his thing. Hopefully he gets the job done.

I thought that Blaklion was probably a bet in the becher at 4 or 5/1.

PP 1/5 first 6 in becher. 5/1 Blaklion if he jumps around it's very hard to see him out of the 6.

Looked like Lalor hated that ground???

BumperD

Hard to know what to make of that

BumperD

Some sight watching them flow over those railway fences

Auroras_encore

Theres no way woollacott has a horse thats a superstar , pure hype job like everything in england

Slattsy

Auroras_encore wrote: »

Theres no way woollacott has a horse thats a superstar , pure hype job like everything in england

He's in a bad Everton team.

UrbanFret

Another lay job from mcmanus there . Scandolous what they get away with. Not fit to walk let alone run.

Auroras_encore

Slattsy wrote: »

He's in a bad Everton team.

Has there been a good one

Motivator

Auroras_encore wrote: »

Theres no way woollacott has a horse thats a superstar , pure hype job like everything in england

What makes you think she doesn’t have one? He’s a top class horse - she said during the week that she was a bit worried the race would come too soon and that’s exactly what happened. He ran flat. If you think that horse isn’t a Grade 1 horse then it’s further proof you haven’t got a clue what you’re talking about.

BumperD

Wouldn’t be too quick to write off Lalor

Slattsy

UDS time!

BumperD

Huge race this should be a cracker

Slattsy

Best horse in racing. Unbelievable.

kiers47

He is some ****ing horse!! Great race and a great call by Richard hoiles in fairness.

sdoc13

Slattsy wrote:

Best horse in racing. Unbelievable.

Yep. Out jumped, uds was foot perfect. Absolute machine. Some engine.

Extraordinary horse.

Fanny Wank

Great race. Great horse

Auroras_encore

Get him up in trip and cement greatness

If Kilcrea Vale had have jumped he would have won that Grand Sefton. Possibly not his favoured ground too. He made some horrendous errors. One for the National?

kiers47

I don't really understand why people want to turn fast horses into slow stayers.
He is a 2 miler to me not sure why you'd step him up when he is winning 2 mile championship races for fun.

Auroras_encore

kiers47 wrote: »

I don't really understand why people want to turn fast horses into slow stayers.
He is a 2 miler to me not sure why you'd step him up when he is winning 2 mile championship races for fun.

Because the gold Cup is the pinnacle, winning another champion chase does nothing to boost his status

kiers47

I'd differ to that. Would rather see him stay 2 miles and champion chase.

Fanny Wank

Auroras_encore wrote: »

Because the gold Cup is the pinnacle, winning another champion chase does nothing to boost his status

Didn't do Moscow Flyer any harm

Johner

I'd love to see him up in trip. He doesn't run like a natural 2 miler, he obviously has loads of speed but the most impressive thing about him is always his finishing kick.

Gavin "shels"

Altior just cruised along - unbelievable !

lemush

TheTorment wrote: »

If Kilcrea Vale had have jumped he would have won that Grand Sefton. Possibly not his favoured ground too. He made some horrendous errors. One for the National?

If he can’t jump adequately in a Sefton how can you expect him to go close in a National.

lemush

lemush wrote: »

If he can’t jump adequately in a Sefton how can you expect him to go close in a National.

Agreed but I was thinking that with better ground and more schooling over National style jumps he could figure.

Francie Barrett

Think Grey Britain in the next has been there or thereabouts at this sort of grade in the 7:45 and is a decent win bet at 11/2. If there's a jockey to get one up at Wolverhampton, it's that fella Kirby. My only bet of the day, good luck all.

BumperD

Did that really go 11/2 into 2/1 in 5 minutes

Francie Barrett

BumperD wrote: »

Did that really go 11/2 into 2/1 in 5 minutes

I was a little bit late, but the price collapsed just after I posted from 5/1 to 2/1.



You see, the Francie Fiver will put the fear of life into the bookies.

Francie Barrett

Francie Barrett wrote: »

I was a little bit late, but the price collapsed just after I posted from 5/1 to 2/1.



You see, the Francie Fiver will put the fear of life into the bookies.

I see the betfair forums commented on this price collapse.

http://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31471715/grey-britain#flvWelcomeHeader

It's very odd, I was very surprised to see this return at 2/1.

paddy no 11

Today has made the price for lalor in the ankle, I'll be backing shouldn't have run today

Altior magnificent, stay at 2 miles

posturingpat

paddy no 11 wrote: »

Today has made the price for lalor in the ankle, I'll be backing shouldn't have run today

Altior magnificent, stay at 2 miles

Whats the excuse?

madmoose

Auroras_encore wrote: »

Because the gold Cup is the pinnacle, winning another champion chase does nothing to boost his status

Utter rubbish, Altior, Moscow and Sacre are much remembered and will be more than Don Cossack and Sizing John for example when you speak of greats in the sport if discussed in 20 years time.

Keep him at this distance whilst he is still hot over it, also some of the fields he has beaten have been superb over hurdles and fences. He’s sensational.

madmoose

I’m amazed Lalor ran today and wasn’t pulled as the ground looked poor for him. It’s obvious he’s ground dependant and no coincidence he’s a left handed track horse now bein 0/3 the other way round. The 9/1 is a huge overreaction and ill be having a good few quid ew for the Arkle.

Also the Arkle as usual will be a small field with only 3 currently at this stage that can win it. Kalashnakov, M.Khan & Lalor. I can’t see much else.

Kauto

madmoose wrote: »

I’m amazed Lalor ran today and wasn’t pulled as the ground looked poor for him. It’s obvious he’s ground dependant and no coincidence he’s a left handed track horse now bein 0/3 the other way round. The 9/1 is a huge overreaction and ill be having a good few quid ew for the Arkle.

Also the Arkle as usual will be a small field with only 3 currently at this stage that can win it. Kalashnakov, M.Khan & Lalor. I can’t see much else.

Horse hasn't anywhere near the class to win an Arkle. Hyped up with that has gone on in the background. That was a bike race yesterday in Sandown. Ornua finishing second tells you all you need to know. Should have been winning soft ground or not.

madmoose

Kauto wrote: »

Horse hasn't anywhere near the class to win an Arkle. Hyped up with that has gone on in the background. That was a bike race yesterday in Sandown. Ornua finishing second tells you all you need to know. Should have been winning soft ground or not.

A Grade 1 winner doesn’t have the class eh? Load of tripe you are talking fella.

Auroras_encore

madmoose wrote: »

Utter rubbish, Altior, Moscow and Sacre are much remembered and will be more than Don Cossack and Sizing John for example when you speak of greats in the sport if discussed in 20 years time.

Keep him at this distance whilst he is still hot over it, also some of the fields he has beaten have been superb over hurdles and fences. He’s sensational.

yeah not one on them are remembered as highly as a kauto or a Denman , The gold cup is the one and always will be

Kauto

madmoose wrote: »

A Grade 1 winner doesn’t have the class eh? Load of tripe you are talking fella.

No doesn't have the class to beat the likes of Mengli Khan etc. Should have put that poor lot to bed easily yesterday soft ground or not.

Motivator

Kauto wrote: »

No doesn't have the class to beat the likes of Mengli Khan etc. Should have put that poor lot to bed easily yesterday soft ground or not.

Rubbish talk.

Auroras_encore

Motivator wrote: »

Rubbish talk.

You've a lot to say after races but never before

paddy no 11

Auroras_encore wrote: »

yeah not one on them are remembered as highly as a kauto or a Denman , The gold cup is the one and always will be

Nonsense, those horses are remembered because they were 180 rated horses who ran against each other in the greatest race ever on ratings. Kauto also won 4 king georges few.

Do you really think lord Windermere will be remembered more than altior ffs

Kauto

madmoose wrote: »

A Grade 1 winner doesn’t have the class eh? Load of tripe you are talking fella.

Plenty horses have won grade 1's in the past and have been average enough. It's my opinion that this horse is overrated. Part of the hype is obviously the back story to him. That was a very average grade 1 yesterday and he wasn't mapped. Ornua is a glorified handicapper.

Conas

Auroras_encore wrote: »

yeah not one on them are remembered as highly as a kauto or a Denman , The gold cup is the one and always will be

Kauto star was probaly one of the most overrated horses of all time.

Remember he only won 2 of his 7 starts at the Cheltenham Festival. He didn't have to beat much in 2007, and Denman was not 100% fit at the 2009 festival. I still can't understand the Kauto Star hype.
Best Mate won three in a row and was a flawless jumper, can't say the same about Kauto Star.

Altior has a similar running style to that of Denman. A real tank of a horse, with great power and speed. Altior is probaly one of the best finishers I've ever seen. Unreal speed going up a hill.

Kauto

Conas wrote: »

Kauto star was probaly one of the most overrated horses of all time.

Remember he only won 2 of his 7 starts at the Cheltenham Festival. He didn't have to beat much in 2007, and Denman was not 100% fit at the 2009 festival. I still can't understand the Kauto Star hype.
Best Mate won three in a row and was a flawless jumper, can't say the same about Kauto Star.

Altior has a similar running style to that of Denman. A real tank of a horse, with great power and speed. Altior is probaly one of the best finishers I've ever seen. Unreal speed going up a hill.

Ah here. I wasn't his biggest fan, but he was an unreal horse amd would consider him on a different level to Best mate.To be able to win top class races from 2M to 3m 2.5F was phenomenal. He danced every dance every season unlike Best Mate who was prepared for 1 race most seasons and his longevity was remarkable.

slimshady007

Conas wrote: »

Kauto star was probaly one of the most overrated horses of all time.

Remember he only won 2 of his 7 starts at the Cheltenham Festival. He didn't have to beat much in 2007, and Denman was not 100% fit at the 2009 festival. I still can't understand the Kauto Star hype.
Best Mate won three in a row and was a flawless jumper, can't say the same about Kauto Star.

Altior has a similar running style to that of Denman. A real tank of a horse, with great power and speed. Altior is probaly one of the best finishers I've ever seen. Unreal speed going up a hill.

"Kauto star was probaly one of the most overrated horses of all time."

Shocking statement. When Ruby has sat on some of the best horses over the past 20 years and says he's the best horse he's ridden then that tells you all you need to know. It's well known Cheltenham was not his favourite track but he still won 2 Gold Cups which is more than most horses win. The fact he turned up in top grade races for 7 years at Cheltenham is testament to his longevity and Paul Nicholls training. You fail to reference his multiple wins in the Betfair Chase and King George races. His wins in these races in his final year would have thrilled any genuine or even casual racing fan considering he was the underdog against the new kid on the block in Long Run.

kiers47

"Kauto star was probaly one of the most overrated horses of all time."

There doesn't half be some tripe talked around here at times. I would be a bit pickier than most about crowning superstars. But Jesus Christ what in the name of God were you watching to come out with this crap.

posturingpat

kiers47 wrote: »

"Kauto star was probaly one of the most overrated horses of all time."

There doesn't half be some tripe talked around here at times. I would be a bit pickier than most about crowning superstars. But Jesus Christ what in the name of God were you watching to come out with this crap.

He has to be having a stir

akelly02

Conas wrote: »

Kauto star was probaly one of the most overrated horses of all time.

Remember he only won 2 of his 7 starts at the Cheltenham Festival. He didn't have to beat much in 2007, and Denman was not 100% fit at the 2009 festival. I still can't understand the Kauto Star hype.
Best Mate won three in a row and was a flawless jumper, can't say the same about Kauto Star.

Altior has a similar running style to that of Denman. A real tank of a horse, with great power and speed. Altior is probaly one of the best finishers I've ever seen. Unreal speed going up a hill.

if you cant understand that a horse who won his first betfair chase one week, beating beef or salmon by about 20 lengths, then the next week drops down to two miles and beats the champion chaser voy pour ustedes on the bridle in the tingle creek, isnt a superstar, then you need help