Parking in a loading bay summons?

drunkmonkey

Maybe parked there 5 minutes was gone in to get a few boxes, use the loading bay about once a month. Free underground car park close by I normally use but not when loading stuff as it's too much of a security risk.

4ensic15

There is no different law for commercial ratepayers vs any other persons.

GM228

drunkmonkey wrote: »

That's what I couldn't find anywhere, are you serious though, 3 unpaid parking fines could in theory cost you 5k and 3mts in prison.

Very serious, note however they are the maximum potential punishment as allowed for by the law, the chances of actually getting such are low.

Marcusm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

No sign on the loading bay to say that, it just says loading bay max stay 30 minutes been using it years and would have been sorted on appeal. I was loading, I'm a rate payer with commercial insurance.

It your vehicle is not taxed as a goods vehicle. Which local authority was it? We’re the appropriate bye laws in place to restrict to “goods vehicles” only. Can’t see that you would have any other defences.

GM228

Marcusm wrote: »

It your vehicle is not taxed as a goods vehicle. Which local authority was it? We’re the appropriate bye laws in place to restrict to “goods vehicles” only. Can’t see that you would have any other defences.

The restrictions on parking in loading bays is not set by local bye-laws, it comes under Road Traffic (Traffic and Parking) Regulations 1997. As such the restriction to goods vehicles applies equally to all local authority areas, the only control a local authority have in relation to a loading bay is to set the operating times or vary the 30 minute loading time.

ED E

Marcusm wrote: »

It your vehicle is not taxed as a goods vehicle. Which local authority was it? We’re the appropriate bye laws in place to restrict to “goods vehicles” only. Can’t see that you would have any other defences.

No byelaw needed AFAIK, its in the RTA 1997, Section 42.

42. (1) Where traffic sign number RRM 009 [Loading Bay] is provided, a vehicle other than a goods vehicle being used for loading or unloading shall not be parked during a period which shall be indicated on an information plate.

(2) A goods vehicle being used for loading or unloading shall not be parked in a loading bay for a period exceeding 30 minutes.

"goods vehicle" means a vehicle used exclusively for carrying goods and taxed for commercial purposes;

Update: Too slow for GM.

Claw Hammer

Victor wrote: »

This is mere evidence. C.

It is not eidence. It is irrelevant. A vehicle as illegally parked. The perpetrator as caught and couldn't be arsed paying the fine on time. That is all that is relevant. The rest is just self pity. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

GarIT

Do you not need commercial tax and insurance to carry goods related to your business in your vehicle?

Marcusm

GM228 wrote: »

The restrictions on parking in loading bays is not set by local bye-laws, it comes under Road Traffic (Traffic and Parking) Regulations 1997. As such the restriction to goods vehicles applies equally to all local authority areas, the only control a local authority have in relation to a loading bay is to set the operating times or vary the 30 minute loading time.

Well that pretty much makes it strict liability; drunkmonkey: throw yourself at the DJ’s mercy.

GM228

Marcusm wrote: »

Well that pretty much makes it strict liability; drunkmonkey: throw yourself at the DJ’s mercy.

Like many minor motoring related offences, it is indeed a strict liability offence.

Marcusm

I want to create a lobby to make it a lawful excuse to a criminal damage charge where only cosmetic damage (preferably with a key) is caused to a car unlawfully parked in a disabled bay. I’ve had a bad and I am fed up having to demonstrate with selfish individuals. Do I have any supporters?

Mod
I sympathise with your view on the misuse of disabled bay, but
scratching a car with a key can do rather more than cosmetic damage.
Pls do not proceed with that aspect of your proposed campaign,
Boards.ie cannot condone illegal activity

drunkmonkey

We'll I read an article today where charges were dropped by the dpp for someone causing damage to a jelly bean machine as it took his €2 and wouldn't give it back. Maybe if you get off the disabled bus and identify as a jelly bean machine you might get away with it.

GM228

drunkmonkey wrote: »

We'll I read an article today where charges were dropped by the dpp for someone causing damage to a jelly bean machine as it took his €2 and wouldn't give it back. Maybe if you get off the disabled bus and identify as a jelly bean machine you might get away with it.

That's not why they were dropped (and they were not charges for criminal damage, they were public order and assault charges). Three people were charged and one of them (the one who hit the machine) was a Garda Inspector.....

.....should I go on?

(The DPP refused to explain why the charges were dropped).

drunkmonkey

No was just adding a bit of light humour, pretty obvious why they were dropped in that case.

L1011

GarIT wrote: »

Do you not need commercial tax and insurance to carry goods related to your business in your vehicle?

You need the insurance which they say they have. Standard car insurance does not cover it but Class 1 does in most cases and usually costs a tiny fraction - its about 0.5% for me, one year it was actually a reduction surreally - extra.

You need the appropriate vehicle and tax to use loading bays, though. Most 4/5 seat vehicles (not all) cannot be taxed as goods.

Carry goods as the specific job - not part of a job - requires totally different insurance. So a courier etc cannot use Class 1. Sales also can't.

Losty Dublin

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Wouldn't mind that, cheaper tax, don't think it's possible though.

Plus side; cheaper tax, parking in the loading bay for up to 30 minutes :pac:

Negative side; dearer tolls, insurance will probably increase significantly, likely worse fuel economy than a car unless you get a car van vehicle, vans are not generally good for passenger carrying.

Victor

Losty Dublin wrote: »

Plus side; cheaper tax, parking in the loading bay for up to 30 minutes

Up to 30 minutes ... while loading.

Mike3549

Losty Dublin wrote: »

Plus side; cheaper tax, parking in the loading bay for up to 30 minutes :pac:

Negative side; dearer tolls, insurance will probably increase significantly, likely worse fuel economy than a car unless you get a car van vehicle, vans are not generally good for passenger carrying.

How will the tolls be dearer?
If you convert your passenger ford focus to commercial focus, the class and rate stays the same.
Also insuranse is cheaper. 2 years ago I got a quote for my lancer 1.6L petrol - €1100 comp. Became self employed, Sold the car, bought a van 2.4L more yearly miles - €800 comp open drive. This year, compr only - €600, while the ins for the family 1.6L diesel cost more.

P.s. i dont know what car you're driving, if it happened to be ford focus, it is only coincidental

L1011

They're a different toll class and are usually quite a bit dearer. Charged the same as a van.