Donald Trump presidency discussion thread V

Manic Moran

Huh. So he did.

Not sure that would end well for him, mind. I suspect rhetoric, more than actual intent. I would think an anonymous Reddit poster would probably actually mean it.

On a technical basis, since most Democrat politicians aren't known for owning guns, it does seem less likely that they would issue a statement of resistance, rhetoric or otherwise.

everlast75

https://twitter.com/BryanDawsonUSA/status/1143940331626479616?s=19

Good news again from the Courts

Grifters gonna keep on grifting, until there's a stop put to it. Can't wait to see the receipts!

RIGOLO

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BryanDawsonUSA/status/1143940331626479616?s=19

Good news again from the Courts

Grifters gonna keep on grifting, until there's a stop put to it. Can't wait to see the receipts!

I think the anti-Trumpers would have learned their lesson by now..
2 years of 'good news' during the Mueller probe...
2 years getting excited at porn lawyers making press statements..

and even earlier this week the anti-Trumpers got all excited when a woman selling her new book said Trump had raped her, just before she went on CNN and said many people think rape is sexy or words to that affect..

and now getting all excited about another nothin burger...

meanwhile TRump has rasied over $30 million for his election campaign... expect his odds will be shortening ..

RIGOLO

MrFresh wrote: »

I don't think the democrats threatened to kill police officers.

Well if you extend it to people who most likely voted Democrat just look at the 5 police officers killed by an ex-Army reserist in Dallas last year.

Five police offices shot dead, by a man who said he was upset about cops shooting black peopel.

I wonder what party he voted for..

Proabadly the same party the shooter of Steve Scalise voted for

Itssoeasy

Idaho ? Wasn’t the ruby ridge stand off in Idaho or was that Iowa ? Could the state of Oregon get the feds involved ? I don’t think the government want another situation like that.

TomOnBoard

RIGOLO wrote: »

Well if you extend it to people who most likely voted Democrat just look at the 5 police officers killed by an ex-Army reserist in Dallas last year.

Five police offices shot dead, by a man who said he was upset about cops shooting black peopel.

I wonder what party he voted for..

Proabadly the same party the shooter of Steve Scalise voted for

Wow! What a load of "if", "most likely", "probably" BS that you're just making up as you go, and using the deaths of police officers just to score a point against Democrats... SAD!

AMG1988

To be honest when he was elected I was a tad excited as I thought he may expose the elite within the government and show glimpses of how the wheels keep turning. Aside from the usual status quo.

This quickly disappeared when he came into office. His foreign policy and people he surrounds himself with I can't understand, I have come to the conclusion he has no control over this and is held hostage to the defense industry.

As Abby Martin said on JR show, it's as though he starts a fire and then applauds himself when he then extinguishes it? He is unpredictable, easily bought over and jumps sides like a jackal and Hyde regarding his beliefs.

Water John

The defence industry don't actually agree with Trump, senior army personnel certainly not. This is esp because he has no logical process as you want from any leader.

RIGOLO

pixelburp wrote: »

I know this forum is meant to have standards of debate, but ... that's incredible. I've nothing else to say really It's funny how often I've read American political news and thought "if this was a plot point in House of Cards, I'd have thought it too melodramatic".

An astonishing act. F*cking militias, they seem to be more cause of strife in state disputes, but we can all imagine what would happen if they tried to disband them...

These were Republican senators, right?

or alternaively you could actually look into the story and find ut whats REALLY going on, rather than jumping on the first talking point that fits your agenda..

As always with these things there is far more to that story than the line the anti-TRumpers are following.
The main stream media got their clicks, the sensationalist story has done its job, and now they move on to the next clickbait story for the anti-Trumpers.

I expect the Demcrats in Oregon are still licking their wounds and upset the Supreme Court throw out their states ruling against the bakers who refused to make a cake for a gay wedding.

Oregon.. wild country, beautiful place to live in until the overflow from snowflake central started to price everyone out of the place..

although theres plenty on the left who think they are above the law in Oregon.. wont see any anti-Trumpers complain about this ..

Portland Police Admit to Standing by as Antifa Blocked Traffic, Assaulted Man

https://www.theepochtimes.com/portland-police-admit-to-standing-by-as-antifa-blocked-traffic-assaulted-man_2688087.html

RIGOLO

Water John wrote: »

The defence industry don't actually agree with Trump, senior army personnel certainly not. This is esp because he has no logical process as you want from any leader.

Your not following the news very closely ..

The military love him . in fac some branches love him so much they have taken to wearing his image on their sleeve


Ever see the military do that for the last guy.


More Than Patriotism on Their Sleeves: Military Patches Sport Trump Likeness

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/28/world/asia/military-patch-trump.html

RIGOLO

AMG1988 wrote: »

To be honest when he was elected I was a tad excited as I thought he may expose the elite within the government and show glimpses of how the wheels keep turning. Aside from the usual status quo.

This quickly disappeared when he came into office. His foreign policy and people he surrounds himself with I can't understand, I have come to the conclusion he has no control over this and is held hostage to the defense industry.

As Abby Martin said on JR show, it's as though he starts a fire and then applauds himself when he then extinguishes it? He is unpredictable, easily bought over and jumps sides like a jackal and Hyde regarding his beliefs.

You dont present any examples of anything you stated.

RIGOLO

Manic Moran wrote: »

Huh. So he did.

Not sure that would end well for him, mind. I suspect rhetoric, more than actual intent. I would think an anonymous Reddit poster would probably actually mean it.

On a technical basis, since most Democrat politicians aren't known for owning guns, it does seem less likely that they would issue a statement of resistance, rhetoric or otherwise.

first rule of the military .. NEVER NEVER NEVER under estimate your enemy...
you just flunked class .. back to grunt school for you ..

The Oregon Senator who said this... meant it ..
Brian Boquist is an ex special forces Lieutenant Colonel, he has a Bronze Star and served as Deputy Commander and Chief of Staff of the Joint Combined Special Operations Task Force in Iraq in 2003–2004 ...

When it comes to using lethal force people like him dont fk around with rhetoric.. they mean it...

Kimsang

Each Chinese person is a kind of replica of the next one and that is a very frightening thing

Brian? wrote: »

That’s not dog whistling. That’s an openly racist thing to say.

Well you didn't read the quote in its entirety either did you? This only proves how easily things are taken out of context, and you or anyone else who thanked your post didn't even bother to fact check.(It seems some of the thanks have been removed, that's good to see /edit)

It also proves how publications like the New Stateman are turning into stitch-up artists.

This was the quote in full, for those lazy enough to assume this is racist without fact-checking.

I think there are difficulties round the corner that we are ignoring, like the rise of China. There’s something quite frightening about the Chinese sort of mass politics and the regimentation of the ordinary being. We invent robots and they are them. In a sense they’re creating robots out of their own people by so constraining what can be done. Each Chinese person is a kind of replica of the next one and that is a very frightening thing.

-Roger Scruton (Fired from his unpaid chair for this "Racism")

Professor Moriarty

RIGOLO wrote: »

or alternaively you could actually look into the story and find ut whats REALLY going on, rather than jumping on the first talking point that fits your agenda..

As always with these things there is far more to that story than the line the anti-TRumpers are following.
The main stream media got their clicks, the sensationalist story has done its job, and now they move on to the next clickbait story for the anti-Trumpers.

I expect the Demcrats in Oregon are still licking their wounds and upset the Supreme Court throw out their states ruling against the bakers who refused to make a cake for a gay wedding.

Oregon.. wild country, beautiful place to live in until the overflow from snowflake central started to price everyone out of the place..

although theres plenty on the left who think they are above the law in Oregon.. wont see any anti-Trumpers complain about this ..

Portland Police Admit to Standing by as Antifa Blocked Traffic, Assaulted Man

https://www.theepochtimes.com/portland-police-admit-to-standing-by-as-antifa-blocked-traffic-assaulted-man_2688087.html

What have the bakers and your link got to do with the Republican senators who are on the run?

Christy42

Kimsang wrote: »

Well you didn't read the quote in its entirety either did you? This only proves how easily things are taken out of context, and you or anyone else who thanked your post didn't even bother to fact check.

It also proves how publications like the New Stateman are turning into stitch-up artists.

This was the quote in full taken out of context for all your lazy enough to assume this is racist without fact-checking.

Nope still not better.


Also how is that Oregon thing not a bigger deal. Surely that Republican senator has to be told to leave immediately. Threatening police officers who are just doing their f'ing job? It is not ok to say stuff like that as an elected representative.

I don't care if it is rhetoric. You know someone will take that stuff seriously. That senator knows it too. It is just intentionally inciting violence. Hopefully they won't get it. I can't imagine this happening in any other serious democracy.

Not exactly the party of law and order are they.

Kimsang

Christy42 wrote: »

Nope still not better.

Please answer the question, is this a racist thing to say?

I think there are difficulties round the corner that we are ignoring, like the rise of China. There’s something quite frightening about the Chinese sort of mass politics and the regimentation of the ordinary being. We invent robots and they are them. In a sense they’re creating robots out of their own people by so constraining what can be done. Each Chinese person is a kind of replica of the next one and that is a very frightening thing.

Christy42

Kimsang wrote: »

Please answer the question, is this a racist thing to say?

Yes.

Fun fact: Chinese people are not all replicas.

Source: I have met multiple Chinese people and they are indeed different. Shocking revelation I know.

TomOnBoard

RIGOLO wrote: »

Your not following the news very closely ..

The military love him . in fac some branches love him so much they have taken to wearing his image on their sleeve


Ever see the military do that for the last guy.


More Than Patriotism on Their Sleeves: Military Patches Sport Trump Likeness

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/28/world/asia/military-patch-trump.html

In the last guy's Presidency, the military would not be used as political pawns in the way the current guy is doing! The Pentagon have had to repeatedly tell the WH to stop trying to politicize the military. The wearing of the patches you speak of is being investigated as a breach of the long-standing apolitical stance of all branches of the military. They have a sworn duty to the US Constitution and not to any political leader who might hold office at any particular time. Also remember that those patches became a big thing while POTUS was on the USS Wasp, at the same time as attempts were made to hide the John Mc Cain!

Kimsang

Christy42 wrote: »

Yes.

Fun fact: Chinese people are not all replicas.

Source: I have met multiple Chinese people and they are indeed different. Shocking revelation I know.

I'm half Chinese, you don't need to school me about China, thanks.

AMG1988

RIGOLO wrote: »

You dont present any examples of anything you stated.

Fly a drone into Iranian airspace, Iran shoot it down. He then applauds himself for not taking action against Iran in a military capacity for flying a spy drone in their airspace?
John Bolton as Nat Security advisor, the man has been peddling war rhetoric as long as he has been in politics, Mattis again another person hungry for war and tows the foreign policy line, Nikki Haley's speech to the UN regarding the US embassy move to jerusalem and now again Pompeo towing the foreign policy line.

Christy42

AMG1988 wrote: »

Fly a drone into Iranian airspace, Iran shoot it down. He then applauds himself for not taking action against Iran in a military capacity for flying a spy drone in their airspace?
John Bolton as Nat Security advisor, the man has been peddling war rhetoric as long as he has been in politics, Mattis again another person hungry for war and tows the foreign policy line, Nikki Haley's speech to the UN regarding the US embassy move to jerusalem and now again Pompeo towing the foreign policy line.

Let's not forget the tearing up of the Iran agreement that was keeping peace in the first place.

Professor Moriarty

Kimsang wrote: »

I'm half Chinese, you don't need to school me about China, thanks.

Really? Amazing.

MrFresh

RIGOLO wrote: »

Well if you extend it to people who most likely voted Democrat

Why would I do that? I'm talking about elected representatives.

RIGOLO wrote: »

or alternaively you could actually look into the story and find ut whats REALLY going on,

Which part of what has been said is not correct?

everlast75

Just getting this straight in my head.

Trump attacked Mueller et al throughout the investigation.

Mueller issues a statement denying a story by Buzzfeed.

Trump says Mueller is a good guy (paraphrasing).

Then he and Barr claimed it exonerated him. Trump calls the report "the bible".

Mueller agrees to testify.

Trump attacks Mueller again.

Is that a sign of a sociopath?

Professor Moriarty

everlast75 wrote: »

Just getting this straight in my head.

Trump attacked Mueller et al throughout the investigation.

Mueller issues a statement denying a story by Buzzfeed.

Trump says Mueller is a good guy (paraphrasing).

Then he and Barr claimed it exonerated him. Trump calls the report "the bible".

Mueller agrees to testify.

Trump attacks Mueller again.

Is that a sign of a sociopath?

Narcissist. When his fragile ego is threatened he attacks. His image is all that matters to him. Everything and everyone is secondary. Mueller is threatening his image so he attacks him. Deep inside, Trump is terrified that he will be exposed as not being the greatest POTUS ever. If you read his tweets with this in mind, they and Trump are easily understood.

StringerBell

Kimsang wrote: »

I'm half Chinese, you don't need to school me about China, thanks.

Your claim of being half Chiense would be too ironic to be true surely!

And racism is what you are being schooled on my good man, racism. As in, what would be considered a racist statement and what would not. Which apparently, along with what would be considered appropriate in a response to a rape accusation is certainly something you appear to be in need of some schooling.

Kimsang

StringerBell wrote: »

Your claim of being half Chiense would be too ironic to be true surely!

And racism is what you are being schooled on my good man, racism. As in, what would be considered a racist statement and what would not. Which apparently, along with what would be considered appropriate in a response to a rape accusation is certainly something you appear to be in need of some schooling.

Is this quote by Roger Scruton, a racist thing to say?

I think there are difficulties round the corner that we are ignoring, like the rise of China. There’s something quite frightening about the Chinese sort of mass politics and the regimentation of the ordinary being. We invent robots and they are them. In a sense they’re creating robots out of their own people by so constraining what can be done. Each Chinese person is a kind of replica of the next one and that is a very frightening thing.

Even the most left leaning publication I can find, The Guardian; agrees of Roger Scruton;

The conservative philosopher has a point about his quotes being taken out of context....shows Scruton making a point about the conformity demanded by the authoritarian Chinese government, rather than denigrating Chinese people. This should have been made clearer.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/26/roger-scruton-not-victim-leftwing-witch-hunt

By the way I'm not sure if you noticed my screen name or not, its not like I changed it recently. So maybe it is indeed others in this thread that are in need of schooling in regards racism? Would you agree?.

Itssoeasy

Trump even if he won't admit it is terrified of the America people really knowing why that mueller report says. Trump for all his faults knows TV and the power it has. Trump has been able to control the narrative(an incorrect narrative btw) up till now but after July 17th that genie will be out of the bottle. The report says many things, but unless you are a dyed in the wool trump supporter who believes he couldn't /can not do anything wrong it does not in any way from my reading of it, give the result of no collusion and no obstruction. It says the collusion didn't rise to the level of a conspiracy not that was none, and it lists ten incidences of possible obstruction fof justice by president trump.

StringerBell

Mueller testifying is a disaster for Trump, I wouldn't expect Mueller to do the Democrats job for them at all but simply by speaking about his report instead of expecting and requiring a ridiculously lazy population to actually read it will have a big impact is my hunch.

Americans like a movie, they love a story and the report tells one hell of a story. Bob Mueller is pretty much beyond reproach when it comes to his integrity, personally I would think he was a little too "fair" in his investigation, a little too concerned with the appearance of fairness, which I understand but wasn't his job surely. Of course when you see that the legal opinion regarding whether a sitting President can be indicted was such an integral part of the foundation of the investigation it isn't exactly a shock.

Mueller could literally read from his report and it will have a huge impact without even expanding on it. The biggest problem the Dems have now is how they will manage to not **** it up for themselves by preening and performing for the cameras. They would be better off to let a legal counsel, a prosecutor even better to do the questioning. Surrender their time to the professional. As this would involve surrendering their TV time I wouldn't bank on it.

Will it be the silver bullet? Nah, course not. The Democrats, and I appreciate the political calculation that goes into why, have abandoned their duty by not opening an impeachment inquiry already. Not a vote, not an attempted removal, an inquiry. At the very least this should have already been opened forgoing political calculations.

The only way to get rid of Trump is to beat him in the 2020 election, he will give them plenty of ammunition to use against him, its his nature. They just need to actually do it. To anybody concerned that he would "refuse to leave" "refuse to accept the result" or whatever, once that election is done its nothing to do with him anymore. The process continues whether he leaves the WH willingly or not, he is no longer commander in chief come inauguration day. His acceptance or approval of this is not required.

Mitch McConnell will not convict him on impeachment charges, so an actual trial will be pointless in that regard but the public hearings and inquiry will get the voters the information needed. The split in the Democrat party last time cannot be allowed to happen again, whoever comes out of the primaries with the nomination should receive the backing of every factions vote. It would have been a hell of a lot better if some of these potential candidates had tried for Senate seats instead of pointless runs at the Presidency because if MM is still the majority leader after the 2020 vote that is a missed opportunity, and as we have seen so clearly, elections have consequences.

I don't think Trump, on his current trajectory gets re-elected. It will be close however regardless of who emerges to challenge him and this far our any predictions one way or the other are not really carrying much weight. For my money opening an impeachment inquiry, even in the knowledge that the conviction is not going to happen is the right path forward for the Democrats. Get as much information to the public as possible, you don't need the Trump base to shift at all, they won't regardless. There is a certain % of voters who will never, ever leave him and you just have to accept that and make sure the swing voters, the undecideds, the largest group of voters know the full depths of the violations this man and his administration carry out daily and they will win the White House. This 4 years will go in to the history books as a dark period, a time of division and fear where a demagogue stoked up voters who had some valid concerns and some who are simply deplorable and should not be bothered with.

If he wins, the U.S. is going to take a very, very long time to recover. There is generational damage being done, and not just to the U.S. His policy on environmental issues will effect the entire world and though he is a coward, a typical bully who fears actual confrontation, his posturing and his inability to grasp simple strands of diplomacy will continue to destabilise regions and incite conflict.

2020 is a very important U.S. election for the world.

StringerBell

Kimsang wrote: »

Is this quote by Roger Scruton, a racist thing to say?



Even the most left leaning publication I can find, The Guardian; agrees of Roger Scruton;


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/26/roger-scruton-not-victim-leftwing-witch-hunt

By the way I'm not sure if you noticed my screen name or not, its not like I changed it recently. So maybe it is indeed others in this thread that are in need of schooling in regards racism? Would you agree?.

Your screen name? Kimsang? Having that as your username is an indication of something factual? Do you think I am indeed the ghost of the TV character StringerBell? It may surprise you to learn I am in fact not even black my friend.

As an aside, I have actually eaten in Kimsang while in Germany, good food.

Have you heard of Kim Sang In? Kim Sang Ok?

Kim Sang I have always associated with Korea rather than Chinese now you have me thinking about it.