Health system, Homelessness, Broadband, Recession Pt2 incoming due to stupidity

vargoo

Such a bunch of idiots we have running things and it's the same bunch of idiots in there for decades, what's wrong with you people on here that keep putting these idiots back in. That fool currently in Healthcare, and all the gobsh1tes before him that sat back happy to take the fat pay check and do nothing for it. I'm honestly amazed that someone that's been wronged over the years by these bottom feeders hasn't sought out revenge. Seriously. That Martin lad leader, any fool on here that votes for him want to tell us why? Really love to know. That Coveney fella, mother of god.

I'm so sick of the same fuking problems going on for years.

Before anyone says why don't you run, I'm obviously not stupid or corrupt enough to get in, duh.

(This flowed outta me this way, if a mod wants to put it more eloquently, have at it)

why dont you run

what are your easy solutions

same old fools on barstools experts on everything morelike

weldoninhio

Ah shure, t'would be a grand oul country if we could schtick a roof on it.

Victor

vargoo wrote: »

Recession Pt2

How does that work?

Mr. Incognito

Thr problem is not the politicians.

Its the Civil Service that run the country that is staffed by poorly paid entrants who were not bothered getting a job in the private sector where they dont have to call in sick or do nothing all day.

Until we break the monopoly of the do nothing for more pay unions nothing will change.

bennya

I'd prefer to call it 'Recession 2: Electric Boogaloo'

Deebles McBeebles

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Thr problem is not the politicians.

Its the Civil Service that run the country that is staffed by poorly paid entrants who were not bothered getting a job in the private sector where they dont have to call in sick or do nothing all day.

Until we break the monopoly of the do nothing for more pay unions nothing will change.

Only took 5 posts, is that the new record?

jam_mac_jam

I won't be voting in future. There is nobody I really agree with so don't see the point. There is really no alternative and its very disheartening

Graces7

and the actual people working in eg the health service...

See this tragedy

http://www.mayonews.ie/news/32947-desperately-ill-but-discharged

These are common now. A man blinded, babies damaged and dead and all by "medical misadventure"

Stone Deaf 4evr

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I won't be voting in future. There is nobody I really agree with so don't see the point. There is really no alternative and its very disheartening

If you dont vote, you forfeit your right to complain. If you can't even be bothered to weigh up the pros and cons of any candidates policies, then choose one that aligns closest with your own values, then you can't whinge when others choose for you.

theres a corny slogan about voting - your vote is your voice - use it.

PlaneSpeeking

Graces7 wrote: »

and the actual people working in eg the health service...

See this tragedy

http://www.mayonews.ie/news/32947-desperately-ill-but-discharged

These are common now. A man blinded, babies damaged and dead and all by "medical misadventure"

Are you blaming the medical professionals there because that is 100% out of line.

I've worked training healthcare professional for over a decade and they work harder, are more committed and care more than people give them a scintilla of credit for.

The reality because of lunatics who constantly demand free housing, allow 50k a year per waster single mother and want to pay for nothing - the health service is sickeningly underfunded.

As to the OP - there is homelessness, to the tune of a few hundred rough sleepers (too many of course but hoe many would be helped by simply handing them over a flat without addressing other issues like addiction ?).

Graces7

Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »

If you dont vote, you forfeit your right to complain. If you can't even be bothered to weigh up the pros and cons of any candidates policies, then choose one that aligns closest with your own values, then you can't whinge when others choose for you.

theres a corny slogan about voting - your vote is your voice - use it.

Had this discussion with an old man at the Lunch Club who told us he has never ever voted ...

Mr. Incognito

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Only took 5 posts, is that the new record?

Probably not.

But everyone who has dealt with any civil service staff or worked in the civil service knows how dsyfunctional, silo cultured, parochial and inefficient they are.

There's no use pretending otherwise.

Geuze

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

The reality because of lunatics who constantly demand free housing, allow 50k a year per waster single mother and want to pay for nothing - the health service is sickeningly underfunded.

The health system is not underfunded.

We spend the fifth most per person across the OECD.

Cina

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

The reality because of lunatics who constantly demand free housing, allow 50k a year per waster single mother and want to pay for nothing - the health service is sickeningly underfunded.

The HSE gets more than enough to provide good healthcare for us.

Shame it's a terribly run service that's more concerned with the wages of its middle management than about the health of our citizens.

I'd rather spend the money on a thousand other things than give a penny more to those leechers.

PlaneSpeeking

Cina wrote: »

The HSE gets more than enough to provide good healthcare for us.

Shame it's a terribly run service that's more concerned with the wages of its middle management than about the health of our citizens.

I'd rather spend the money on a thousand other things than give a penny more to those leechers.

Get rid of the unions in the HSE and watch patient care rise.

PlaneSpeeking

Geuze wrote: »

The health system is not underfunded.

We spend the fifth most per person across the OECD.

I phrased it badly - patient care is underfunded.

Non-medical staff and managers are highly funded.

Agent Coulson

Went comes it will be about "Recession" part 5 in my lifetime and I'll probably see a few more of them before I kick the bucket.

Deebles McBeebles

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Probably not.

But everyone who has dealt with any civil service staff or worked in the civil service knows how dsyfunctional, silo cultured, parochial and inefficient they are.

There's no use pretending otherwise.

As you say yourself "opinions are not facts". Generalisations certainly are sweeping though.

El Weirdo

vargoo wrote: »

I'm obviously not stupid or corrupt enough to get in, duh.

Oh, I wouldn't say that.

SEPT 23 1989

I think Recession Mk2 started in mid October

Hope I'm wrong

klaaaz

As per the usual suspects blaming the poor(and now badly paid civil servants added to the list) for their own failures in acquiring a better paid job(their own AH mantra) in order to afford high healthcare, high housing costs, high childcare costs, high gas/electricity costs along with a long commute which they all voted for via FFG in the first place. Your own kids will suffer the same in adulthood unless you change your neo capitalist ways, think about that.

topper75

Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »

If you dont vote, you forfeit your right to complain.

Isn't it the other way around - if you voted, you played a part in bringing about the screw up that we are encumbered with and it is hypocritical to complain. If you didn't vote you are guilt free and your subsequent complaint is valid?

Credit: George Carlin

jam_mac_jam

Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »

If you dont vote, you forfeit your right to complain. If you can't even be bothered to weigh up the pros and cons of any candidates policies, then choose one that aligns closest with your own values, then you can't whinge when others choose for you.

theres a corny slogan about voting - your vote is your voice - use it.

Its not that I can't be bothered at all. It is not laziness.


I don't see any policy differences in
the main parties, I don’t see the point of voting for people who offer no change, no new ideas or new solutions just more of the same.

Chips Lovell

It is laziness. We're all citizens of this country. It's your country, just as much as it's anyone else's.

Complaining that there's not decent candidates come election time is essentially saying that you think there's a problem but someone else should sort it out.

jam_mac_jam

Baron de Charlus wrote: »

It is laziness. We're all citizens of this country. It's your country, just as much as it's anyone else's.

Complaining that there's not decent candidates come election time is essentially saying that you think there's a problem but someone else should sort it out.

Its really not laziness. If I keep voting them in I can't complain either and I voted FG in the last one.



I actually mostly agree with you, I always have voted in the past but I don't think I will the next time as there is little or no difference. I can't vote for the crazy left wing people so I really don't see what you do in that situation. Other then start up my own party...

limnam

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

the health service has a is sickeningly underfunded amount of waste

FYP

twinytwo

Cina wrote: »

The HSE gets more than enough to provide good healthcare for us.

Shame it's a terribly run service that's more concerned with the wages of its middle management than about the health of our citizens.

I'd rather spend the money on a thousand other things than give a penny more to those leechers.

If i recall correctly - when the hse was set up, the unions ensured that no jobs were lost (even though the idea was to make everything more efficient).. as a result it made things worse...a lot worse.

But sure so long as the unions get their dues why do they give a **** about the health system.

PlaneSpeeking

twinytwo wrote: »

If i recall correctly - when the hse was set up, the unions ensured that no jobs were lost (even though the idea was to make everything more efficient).. as a result it made things worse...a lot worse.

But sure so long as the unions get their dues why do they give a **** about the health system.

+1

Guy:Incognito

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

- the health service is sickeningly underfunded.
).

How much should it cost?

How much, as a percentage of the overall budget, goes to health and how does that stack up against other countries?

vargoo

twinytwo wrote: »

If i recall correctly - when the hse was set up, the unions ensured that no jobs were lost (even though the idea was to make everything more efficient).. as a result it made things worse...a lot worse.

But sure so long as the unions get their dues why do they give a **** about the health system.

What is the problem with getting rid of all the excess jobs? This is given as a reason over and over for years, why is nothing done?

whisky_galore

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Are you blaming the medical professionals there because that is 100% out of line.

I've worked training healthcare professional for over a decade and they work harder, are more committed and care more than people give them a scintilla of credit for.

The reality because of lunatics who constantly demand free housing, allow 50k a year per waster single mother and want to pay for nothing - the health service is sickeningly underfunded.

As to the OP - there is homelessness, to the tune of a few hundred rough sleepers (too many of course but hoe many would be helped by simply handing them over a flat without addressing other issues like addiction ?).

Yes because it's all the single mums fault. Nothing to do with the fact that no matter how much money you shovel into the black hole that is the HSE nothing will improve. You can't fix an already broken system by throwing more money at it.

Cina

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

How much should it cost?

How much, as a percentage of the overall budget, goes to health and how does that stack up against other countries?

https://www.oecd.org/health/health-systems/Health-Spending-Latest-Trends-Brief.pdf

We are the sixth highest spenders per capita in the OECD.

To put it into context, France, widely regarded as having the best health service in the world, and the UK, with the NHS, are lower per capita spenders than us.

More than enough money goes to the HSE to give the citizens of Ireland proper healthcare already.

yermanoffthetv

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Are you blaming the medical professionals there because that is 100% out of line.

I've worked training healthcare professional for over a decade and they work harder, are more committed and care more than people give them a scintilla of credit for.

The reality because of lunatics who constantly demand free housing, allow 50k a year per waster single mother and want to pay for nothing - the health service is sickeningly underfunded.

As to the OP - there is homelessness, to the tune of a few hundred rough sleepers (too many of course but hoe many would be helped by simply handing them over a flat without addressing other issues like addiction ?).

I'd agree with pretty much everything you said there, I've been in hospital myself recently (public patient, no medical card) and the staff were working out of their skin. The problem isn't the health budget, its how its spent. There is a chronic under capacity in A&E, as in infrastructre, physical space to put people and staff to man it. Once you're "in the system" I found the care and facilities excellent.

As i said we need to start looking at how the money is spent and not how much. like medical cards and what exactly they cover. Some people genuinely need and deserve them, some not so much and should make a small contribution based on income, some are taking the piss completely. same with Prescription charges and having free GP care for under 6 blocking up GPs offices with snotty noses and bumped elbows, its costing a fortune.

Geuze

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

How much should it cost?

How much, as a percentage of the overall budget, goes to health and how does that stack up against other countries?

According to the OECD, we are the fifth highest spender.

According to Eurostat, fourth in the EU.

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/DDN-20181129-2?inheritRedirect=true&redirect=%2Feurostat%2F

Geuze

TallGlass

Deleted User wrote: »

why dont you run

As if one person getting elected is going to change the entire system.



FF FG SF LAB, they are all the same.



The system doesn't need a change, it needs a revolution if you ask me.


Out of all the Ministers, Leo and co etc... In all honestly, I could barely see any of them above managerial level in the private sector, let alone heads, directors or CEO level in the private, yet this guys are running the place, and in my eye's doing a bad job for the sums of money, allowances and time off they get.


Think about it, Leo was a doctor in the HSE if he had of stuck at that path, could you really see him branch out to some director level in the HSE. I doubt it. Yet he is running the country.


Some of the solutions they are proposing to problems are bizarre to be honest. That's not just FG either.



Let's not get started with the local level politics, I don't even think the Councillors there know what is going on.

Wanderer78

It ll be a while before we ditch neoliberalism and neoclassical theory, so relax everyone, nothing is gonna change anytime soon

TallGlass

TallGlass wrote: »

As if one person getting elected is going to change the entire system.



FF FG SF LAB, they are all the same.



The system doesn't need a change, it needs a revolution if you ask me.


Out of all the Ministers, Leo and co etc... In all honestly, I could barely see any of them above managerial level in the private sector, let alone heads, directors or CEO level in the private, yet this guys are running the place, and in my eye's doing a bad job for the sums of money, allowances and time off they get.


Think about it, Leo was a doctor in the HSE if he had of stuck at that path, could you really see him branch out to some director level in the HSE. I doubt it. Yet he is running the country.


Some of the solutions they are proposing to problems are bizarre to be honest. That's not just FG either.



Let's not get started with the local level politics, I don't even think the Councillors there know what is going on.

how many revolutions have you started yourself then?

klaaaz

Geuze wrote: »

According to the OECD, we are the fifth highest spender.

According to Eurostat, fourth in the EU.

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/DDN-20181129-2?inheritRedirect=true&redirect=%2Feurostat%2F

The GDP is distorted here, leprachaun economics!

Besides, the population has increased by a over million since the 80's and yet the amount of beds available has not increased in proportion.

Atoms for Peace

Graces7 wrote: »

and the actual people working in eg the health service...

See this tragedy

http://www.mayonews.ie/news/32947-desperately-ill-but-discharged

These are common now. A man blinded, babies damaged and dead and all by "medical misadventure"

Tax payers money being spend to train health care workers for the rest of the world while in return we get the dregs of with spurious qualifications. Dosent seem fair to me.

The minister of health is married to a nurse the irony of it.

Auguste Comte

biko wrote: »

vargoo wrote: »

I'm obviously not stupid or corrupt enough to get in, duh.

I am both stupid and corrupt, vote for me

To honest ðŸ˜

Terrlock

It's so difficult to see what can be done to help the country to work better.

It feels like any avenue of trying to make a difference is stamped out.

I think there are to many self serving interests in all the various levels of society to make real positive change.

Maybe people who want a better standard of living should all get together and form a new country.

Terrlock

Terrlock wrote: »

It's so difficult to see what can be done to help the country to work better.

It feels like any avenue of trying to make a difference is stamped out.

I think there are to many self serving interests in all the various levels of society to make real positive change.

Maybe people who want a better standard of living should all get together and form a new country.

You would need two new countries, one a non union, non welfare, free for all libertarian paradise and the other a mandatory sharing caring rights based welfare based paradise.

TallGlass

[Deleted User] wrote: »

how many revolutions have you started yourself then?

I think your thinking of another meaning of the word. I am talking about it in the content as quoted 'a dramatic and wide-reaching change in conditions, attitudes, or operation.'

The only way for real change unfortunately it seems is a massive incident where change is the only option. At the moment it's a rinse and repeat operation.

Where is this political reform we where told about?

At the moment our elected reps are like a home router, you give them a problem they route it to another person, but in this age I can do that myself, so I fail to see what it is they actually are doing.

Seriously. Go to your local TD and see for yourself how brutal they are. Just enquire about something simple you'd maybe like where you live, like a tree or something planted. Honestly, give it a go you'd be surprised how the smallest things to sort out or fix are blown out of all proportion and how they can't help as its not for them to do so.

To many of us thinking on polling day. 'Oh I see them around a bit in the area, they must do a good job', in fact they are fairying around the place, doing nothing but keeping up appearances.

People should really test who they vote for and see if your happy with there service before giving the number one or two.

dxhound2005

I'm going to blame the 85% of the workforce who are in the private sector for ruining the country. The bankers, lawyers, bookies, publicans, airlines and the rest. The 15% who work in the Public Sector have a constant struggle to try to keep these characters in line.

QuickEmail

Geuze wrote: »

The health system is not underfunded.

We spend the fifth most per person across the OECD.

Then why is it like something out of a second world country?

TallGlass

TallGlass wrote: »

I think your thinking of another meaning of the word.

you think wrong

how many revolutions have you started lately?

Idbatterim

You hit the nail on the head op , I’ve stopped watching current affairs programmes etc. we have nothing but the highest level of morons in government here, local and national, the same bull**** debate and issues never addressed, just endless talk and waffle. I’ve acceoted it and moved on. The place is a comedy show!

NIMAN

Idbatterim wrote: »

You hit the nail on the head op , I’ve stopped watching current affairs programmes etc. we have nothing but the highest level of morons in government here, local and national, the same bull**** debate and issues never addressed, just endless talk and waffle. I’ve acceoted it and moved on. The place is a comedy show!

I suspect you will find all English, Scottish, Italian, French, American, Aussie ...... people say the same thing.