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Health system, Homelessness, Broadband, Recession Pt2 incoming due to stupidity

vargoo

Such a bunch of idiots we have running things and it's the same bunch of idiots in there for decades, what's wrong with you people on here that keep putting these idiots back in. That fool currently in Healthcare, and all the gobsh1tes before him that sat back happy to take the fat pay check and do nothing for it. I'm honestly amazed that someone that's been wronged over the years by these bottom feeders hasn't sought out revenge. Seriously. That Martin lad leader, any fool on here that votes for him want to tell us why? Really love to know. That Coveney fella, mother of god.

I'm so sick of the same fuking problems going on for years.

Before anyone says why don't you run, I'm obviously not stupid or corrupt enough to get in, duh.

(This flowed outta me this way, if a mod wants to put it more eloquently, have at it)

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[Deleted User]

why dont you run

what are your easy solutions

same old fools on barstools experts on everything morelike

weldoninhio

Ah shure, t'would be a grand oul country if we could schtick a roof on it.

Victor

vargoo wrote: »

Recession Pt2

How does that work?

Mr. Incognito

Thr problem is not the politicians.

Its the Civil Service that run the country that is staffed by poorly paid entrants who were not bothered getting a job in the private sector where they dont have to call in sick or do nothing all day.

Until we break the monopoly of the do nothing for more pay unions nothing will change.

bennya

I'd prefer to call it 'Recession 2: Electric Boogaloo'

Deebles McBeebles

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Thr problem is not the politicians.

Its the Civil Service that run the country that is staffed by poorly paid entrants who were not bothered getting a job in the private sector where they dont have to call in sick or do nothing all day.

Until we break the monopoly of the do nothing for more pay unions nothing will change.

Only took 5 posts, is that the new record?

jam_mac_jam

I won't be voting in future. There is nobody I really agree with so don't see the point. There is really no alternative and its very disheartening

Graces7

and the actual people working in eg the health service...

See this tragedy

http://www.mayonews.ie/news/32947-desperately-ill-but-discharged

These are common now. A man blinded, babies damaged and dead and all by "medical misadventure"

Stone Deaf 4evr

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I won't be voting in future. There is nobody I really agree with so don't see the point. There is really no alternative and its very disheartening

If you dont vote, you forfeit your right to complain. If you can't even be bothered to weigh up the pros and cons of any candidates policies, then choose one that aligns closest with your own values, then you can't whinge when others choose for you.

theres a corny slogan about voting - your vote is your voice - use it.

PlaneSpeeking

Graces7 wrote: »

and the actual people working in eg the health service...

See this tragedy

http://www.mayonews.ie/news/32947-desperately-ill-but-discharged

These are common now. A man blinded, babies damaged and dead and all by "medical misadventure"

Are you blaming the medical professionals there because that is 100% out of line.

I've worked training healthcare professional for over a decade and they work harder, are more committed and care more than people give them a scintilla of credit for.

The reality because of lunatics who constantly demand free housing, allow 50k a year per waster single mother and want to pay for nothing - the health service is sickeningly underfunded.

As to the OP - there is homelessness, to the tune of a few hundred rough sleepers (too many of course but hoe many would be helped by simply handing them over a flat without addressing other issues like addiction ?).

Graces7

Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »

If you dont vote, you forfeit your right to complain. If you can't even be bothered to weigh up the pros and cons of any candidates policies, then choose one that aligns closest with your own values, then you can't whinge when others choose for you.

theres a corny slogan about voting - your vote is your voice - use it.

Had this discussion with an old man at the Lunch Club who told us he has never ever voted ...

Mr. Incognito

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Only took 5 posts, is that the new record?

Probably not.

But everyone who has dealt with any civil service staff or worked in the civil service knows how dsyfunctional, silo cultured, parochial and inefficient they are.

There's no use pretending otherwise.

Geuze

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

The reality because of lunatics who constantly demand free housing, allow 50k a year per waster single mother and want to pay for nothing - the health service is sickeningly underfunded.

The health system is not underfunded.

We spend the fifth most per person across the OECD.

Cina

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

The reality because of lunatics who constantly demand free housing, allow 50k a year per waster single mother and want to pay for nothing - the health service is sickeningly underfunded.

The HSE gets more than enough to provide good healthcare for us.

Shame it's a terribly run service that's more concerned with the wages of its middle management than about the health of our citizens.

I'd rather spend the money on a thousand other things than give a penny more to those leechers.

PlaneSpeeking

Cina wrote: »

The HSE gets more than enough to provide good healthcare for us.

Shame it's a terribly run service that's more concerned with the wages of its middle management than about the health of our citizens.

I'd rather spend the money on a thousand other things than give a penny more to those leechers.

Get rid of the unions in the HSE and watch patient care rise.

PlaneSpeeking

Geuze wrote: »

The health system is not underfunded.

We spend the fifth most per person across the OECD.

I phrased it badly - patient care is underfunded.

Non-medical staff and managers are highly funded.

Agent Coulson

Went comes it will be about "Recession" part 5 in my lifetime and I'll probably see a few more of them before I kick the bucket.

Deebles McBeebles

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Probably not.

But everyone who has dealt with any civil service staff or worked in the civil service knows how dsyfunctional, silo cultured, parochial and inefficient they are.

There's no use pretending otherwise.

As you say yourself "opinions are not facts". Generalisations certainly are sweeping though.

El Weirdo

vargoo wrote: »

I'm obviously not stupid or corrupt enough to get in, duh.

Oh, I wouldn't say that.

SEPT 23 1989

I think Recession Mk2 started in mid October

Hope I'm wrong

klaaaz

As per the usual suspects blaming the poor(and now badly paid civil servants added to the list) for their own failures in acquiring a better paid job(their own AH mantra) in order to afford high healthcare, high housing costs, high childcare costs, high gas/electricity costs along with a long commute which they all voted for via FFG in the first place. Your own kids will suffer the same in adulthood unless you change your neo capitalist ways, think about that.

topper75

Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »

If you dont vote, you forfeit your right to complain.

Isn't it the other way around - if you voted, you played a part in bringing about the screw up that we are encumbered with and it is hypocritical to complain. If you didn't vote you are guilt free and your subsequent complaint is valid?

Credit: George Carlin

jam_mac_jam

Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »

If you dont vote, you forfeit your right to complain. If you can't even be bothered to weigh up the pros and cons of any candidates policies, then choose one that aligns closest with your own values, then you can't whinge when others choose for you.

theres a corny slogan about voting - your vote is your voice - use it.

Its not that I can't be bothered at all. It is not laziness.

I don't see any policy differences in
the main parties, I don’t see the point of voting for people who offer no change, no new ideas or new solutions just more of the same.

Chips Lovell

It is laziness. We're all citizens of this country. It's your country, just as much as it's anyone else's.

Complaining that there's not decent candidates come election time is essentially saying that you think there's a problem but someone else should sort it out.

jam_mac_jam

Baron de Charlus wrote: »

It is laziness. We're all citizens of this country. It's your country, just as much as it's anyone else's.

Complaining that there's not decent candidates come election time is essentially saying that you think there's a problem but someone else should sort it out.

Its really not laziness. If I keep voting them in I can't complain either and I voted FG in the last one.

I actually mostly agree with you, I always have voted in the past but I don't think I will the next time as there is little or no difference. I can't vote for the crazy left wing people so I really don't see what you do in that situation. Other then start up my own party...

limnam

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

the health service has a is sickeningly underfunded amount of waste

FYP

twinytwo

Cina wrote: »

The HSE gets more than enough to provide good healthcare for us.

Shame it's a terribly run service that's more concerned with the wages of its middle management than about the health of our citizens.

I'd rather spend the money on a thousand other things than give a penny more to those leechers.

If i recall correctly - when the hse was set up, the unions ensured that no jobs were lost (even though the idea was to make everything more efficient).. as a result it made things worse...a lot worse.

But sure so long as the unions get their dues why do they give a **** about the health system.

PlaneSpeeking

twinytwo wrote: »

If i recall correctly - when the hse was set up, the unions ensured that no jobs were lost (even though the idea was to make everything more efficient).. as a result it made things worse...a lot worse.

But sure so long as the unions get their dues why do they give a **** about the health system.

Guy:Incognito

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

- the health service is sickeningly underfunded.
).

How much should it cost?

How much, as a percentage of the overall budget, goes to health and how does that stack up against other countries?

vargoo

twinytwo wrote: »

If i recall correctly - when the hse was set up, the unions ensured that no jobs were lost (even though the idea was to make everything more efficient).. as a result it made things worse...a lot worse.

But sure so long as the unions get their dues why do they give a **** about the health system.

What is the problem with getting rid of all the excess jobs? This is given as a reason over and over for years, why is nothing done?