Full employment

mariaalice

We are there or thereabouts in full in employment: A small antidote to illustrate this went into a supermarket and in my purchases was a bottle of wine the cashier could no put it through as he told me he was only 15 so someone else came. Supermarkets are back to employing 15-year-olds.

Not a fan of the doomsayers but are their risks to how strong the Irish economy is?.

4068ac1elhodqr

Suits both parties, young ones can get practical work experience with a part-time job, and the employer can legally pay them less than someone slightly older.

Also with this full-employment period, wonder what percent are in actual permanent roles.
And and how many are in zero-hour, or fixed period term with 'possibility of renewal' contracts.

Didn't MD Higgins warn earlier this year of the looming 'gig-economy'.

Geuze

Although unemployment has fallen, employment is below the EU average.

We still have lots of inactive people.

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/2995521/7997105/3-25042017-BP-EN.pdf/377b4834-5a19-42f4-8a2d-36e133ed887d

Franz Von Peppercorn

It’s not really well distributed though. Places in the midlands definitely have unemployment.

Geuze

70.3% of people aged between 20-64 are in employment in 2016.

The EU average is 71.1%.

DE = 78.7%

DK = 77.4%.

So we have tens of thousands of people inactive, who would be in employment if we had German or Danish employment rates.

mariaalice

The point is its more hassle for supermarkets to employ under 18 years old and will only do this when they have run out of over 18 years old to employ, I am fairly sure that young lad was only working a few hours in the evening.

There is obviously a couple of different employment markets in Ireland.

4068ac1elhodqr

mariaalice wrote: »

The point is its more hassle for supermarkets to employ under 18 years old and will only do this when they have run out of over 18 years old to employ, I am fairly sure that young lad was only working a few hours in the evening.

There is obviously a couple of different employment markets in Ireland.

Correct, the employment market allows for wage price-points at certain age brackets. Often supermarkets will openly advertise part-time positions as 'may suit those in school/education'.

Ah sure, it's only a matter of time before the Japanese supermarkets arrive.
- Wherby it's totally void of any staff.

You walk-in, facially recognised, followed by cameras, tracked by motion and pressure detection shelves, wireless beacons and even weighed on the way out when you wallet is wirelessly deducted by the correct amount.

mariaalice

Landon Scrawny Fog wrote: »

Correct, the employment market allows for wage price-points at certain age brackets. Often supermarkets will openly advertise part-time positions as 'may suit those in school/education'.

Ah sure, it's only a matter of time before the Japanese supermarkets arrive.
- Wherby it's totally void of any staff.

You walk-in, facially recognised, followed by cameras, tracked by motion and pressure detection shelves, wireless beacons and even weighed on the way out when you wallet is wirelessly deducted by the correct amount.

But you are forgetting all the employment in IT, technology, developers, and engineers employed to maintain such a system.

never_mind

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

It’s not really well distributed though. Places in the midlands definitely have unemployment.

Was that not always the way?

cgcsb

Geuze wrote: »

70.3% of people aged between 20-64 are in employment in 2016.

The EU average is 71.1%.

DE = 78.7%

DK = 77.4%.

So we have tens of thousands of people inactive, who would be in employment if we had German or Danish employment rates.

we have a high proportion of people in education though.

4068ac1elhodqr

mariaalice wrote: »

But you are forgetting all the employment in IT, technology, developers, and engineers employed to maintain such a system.

A sytem that may well be a self-learning, self-maintaining and of narrow artificial intelligence. Later, merging into wave 3, general or wide intelligent system?

Seen in a shop the other, x8 busy self-checkout tills, and one singular human asset for people 'scared of those machines' and like a bit of a 'chit-chat'.

To be fair there many have been another human asset floating about and trying to stack shevles whilst keeping an eye on the x8 machines.

the_pen_turner

What percentage of the rest are on ce ,tus ,btwa scheme etc
It's all well and good saying unemployment is low but in reality it's not as low as they tell us

Chips Lovell

the_pen_turner wrote: »

What percentage of the rest are on ce ,tus ,btwa scheme etc
It's all well and good saying unemployment is low but in reality it's not as low as they tell us

The Live Register stats always include a breakdown of the number of people in Employment activation schemes (including Back to Work Allowance, Community Employment Scheme, JobBridge etc). It was 53,308 in September 2018, down from 57,633 a year earlier.

4068ac1elhodqr

Wonder where these new 'gig-economy' folks register.

The Uber driver, and Deliveroo rider who do a few hours whenever they get called,
if they call back the wrong way, they're out on their ear/bike.

Chips Lovell

Landon Scrawny Fog wrote: »

Wonder where these new 'gig-economy' folks register.

The Uber driver, and Deliveroo rider who do a few hours whenever they get called,
if they call back the wrong way, they're out on their ear/bike.

They probably count as "Part-time, underemployed"

111,500 in that category in Q3 2018.

4068ac1elhodqr

Then again some may be considered 'self-employed' if they're void of normal in-house employer rights (think there was some debate about this).
And if they provide their own equipment such as bike, car, laptop or other work equipment, would likely qualify as a 'service company/agency contractor'.

mariaalice

mariaalice wrote: »

We are there or thereabouts in full in employment: A small antidote to illustrate this went into a supermarket and in my purchases was a bottle of wine the cashier could no put it through as he told me he was only 15 so someone else came. Supermarkets are back to employing 15-year-olds.

Not a fan of the doomsayers but are their risks to how strong the Irish economy is?.

I’m a firm believer in encouraging the work ethic in students. Without it, all the education in the world is wasted. Fair play to that establishment for giving this lad a chance and for training him properly.

mariaalice

Deleted User wrote: »

I’m a firm believer in encouraging the work ethic in students. Without it, all the education in the world is wasted. Fair play to that establishment for giving this lad a chance and for training him properly.

There not doing if for the good of their health, the supermarket is located in a (1) very wealthy area where teenagers do not have to work and (2) There are lots of opportunities for employment for older teens and college student. The person who came over to do the wine wasn't very happy either so fairly sure the supermarket is only doing it because they cant get someone over 18.

Peregrinus

mariaalice wrote: »

We are there or thereabouts in full in employment: A small antidote to illustrate this went into a supermarket and in my purchases was a bottle of wine the cashier could no put it through as he told me he was only 15 so someone else came. Supermarkets are back to employing 15-year-olds.

Not a fan of the doomsayers but are their risks to how strong the Irish economy is?.

I would have thought that teenagers not being able to get part-time jobs as sales assistants would be a bigger sign of a dysfuctional economy.

Peregrinus

mariaalice wrote: »

There not doing if for the good of their health, the supermarket is located in a (1) very wealthy area where teenagers do not have to work and (2) There are lots of opportunities for employment for older teens and college student. The person who came over to do the wine wasn't very happy either so fairly sure the supermarket is only doing it because they cant get someone over 18.

Or they don't want to pay the rate that someone over 18 would expect.

I've come accross similar situations in other countries with perfectly healthy economies - underage employee can't process sales of alcohol or tobacco; adult colleague has to be called. A supermarket can manage this by ensuring that at least one checkout is staffed by an adult, and posting a notice directing alcohol purchases to that checkout. If the supervisor in your case was annoyed that's largely because the supermarket didn't seem to be managing the issue as effeciently as it could be managed. Alternatively, you could take the view that the problem is puritanical laws which say not only that underage people can't buy alcohol, but that they can't even handle it in the course of their employment.

engiweirdo

Poke yer heads out of the Pale maybe once every now and again. Nowhere near full employment in vast swathes of Ireland. The "fullness of time" as they say will show show this administration up for the lying scumbags they are. Fake figures everywhere.

ancapailldorcha

engiweirdo wrote: »

Poke yer heads out of the Pale maybe once every now and again. Nowhere near full employment in vast swathes of Ireland. The "fullness of time" as they say will show show this administration up for the lying scumbags they are. Fake figures everywhere.

Cut out the name calling please.

Wanderer78

The precarious nature of many working environments is well represented by statistics such as 'full employment', isn't it?

Chips Lovell

Unemployment by region is also available from the Quarterly Labour Force Survey:

State: 6.0%
Northern and Western: 5.9%
Border: 5.1%
West: 6.6%
Southern: 6.5%
Mid-West: 7.2%
South-East: 8.6%
South-West: 4.9%
Eastern and Midland: 5.6%
Dublin: 5.3%
Mid-East: 5.8%
Midland: 7.1%

cgcsb

One thing I note is that there are Irish people working in the shops, which is nice. Celtic Tiger years saw most customer service staff being grumpy Russian yolkes

engiweirdo

Baron de Charlus wrote: »

Unemployment by region is also available from the Quarterly Labour Force Survey:

State: 6.0%
Northern and Western: 5.9%
Border: 5.1%
West: 6.6%
Southern: 6.5%
Mid-West: 7.2%
South-East: 8.6%
South-West: 4.9%
Eastern and Midland: 5.6%
Dublin: 5.3%
Mid-East: 5.8%
Midland: 7.1%

Even those figures are fudged. The latest trick is send people on to Turas Nua. Like in my own case, the week after my last exam referred straight to Turas Nua. I have had 2 meetings lasting 10 mins each since then. The parlour trick here? While registered with Turas Nua I am not part of the live register even though still very much unemployed. Sneaky lies have been the overwhelming feature of FGs terms in office.

Chips Lovell

As mentioned above

Baron de Charlus wrote: »

The Live Register stats always include a breakdown of the number of people in Employment activation schemes (including Back to Work Allowance, Community Employment Scheme, JobBridge etc). It was 53,308 in September 2018, down from 57,633 a year earlier.

Not on the Live Register, but figures are published.

engiweirdo

Baron de Charlus wrote: »

As mentioned above

Baron de Charlus wrote: »

The Live Register stats always include a breakdown of the number of people in Employment activation schemes (including Back to Work Allowance, Community Employment Scheme, JobBridge etc). It was 53,308 in September 2018, down from 57,633 a year earlier.

Not on the Live Register, but figures are published.

So add roughly 20% on to the live register figures to account for job activation scams. Fudged numbers. I mean the CSO compiles the data in totality but somehow the live register figures are taken as gospel employment figures.

Geuze

engiweirdo wrote: »

So add roughly 20% on to the live register figures to account for job activation scams. Fudged numbers. I mean the CSO compiles the data in totality but somehow the live register figures are taken as gospel employment figures.

The LR is not a measure of unemployment.

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/lr/liveregisteroctober2018/

The Live Register is not designed to measure unemployment. It includes part-time workers (those who work up to three days a week), seasonal and casual workers entitled to Jobseeker’s Benefit (JB) or Jobseeker’s Allowance (JA). Unemployment is measured by the Labour Force Survey.

The Monthly Unemployment Rate (seasonally adjusted) is published in the Monthly Unemployment release.

engiweirdo

Labour force participation rate South East : 59%. Full employment? 2 umemployed adults in a house (a couple) but magically one is a qualified adult and disappears from statistics. Obfuscation and dishonesty everywhere. Joke of a country.

mariaalice

engiweirdo wrote: »

Labour force participation rate South East : 59%. Full employment? 2 umemployed adults in a house (a couple) but magically one is a qualified adult and disappears from statistics. Obfuscation and dishonesty everywhere. Joke of a country.

There is more or less full employment it is a fact, even with that some will still be unemployed you cat extrapolate from your own situation on the the whole of Ireland.

A nuclear scientist with a PhD in nuclear sincere living in rural Kerry is going to struggle to get a job in nuclear science locally, yet a qualified chef is going to have no trouble getting a job if they want one.

There are lots of individual factors effecting employment.

Chips Lovell

Geuze wrote: »

The LR is not a measure of unemployment.

It's worth stressing this alright. The Live Register and the Quarterly Labour Force Survey (which replaced the old Quarterly National Household Survey) are two seperate sets of statistics.

You can be classed as unemployed under the Labour force survey and not be on the Live Register. And you can be on the Live Register and not classed as unemployed under the Labour Force Survey.

mariaalice

mariaalice wrote: »

There not doing if for the good of their health, the supermarket is located in a (1) very wealthy area where teenagers do not have to work and (2) There are lots of opportunities for employment for older teens and college student. The person who came over to do the wine wasn't very happy either so fairly sure the supermarket is only doing it because they cant get someone over 18.

Not sure what you are driving at here. A shortage of labour is good for all workers as it should drive wages up as employers compete for labour. Course, that leads to inflation etc as employers have to offset their increased costs (or accept reduced profits etc).

It should lead to further internal EU migration as people from economically depressed parts of Europe or parts of Europe with lower wages seek to move here. (This leads to a separate argument of course about whether immigration is good/bad/etc).

I see it in my own industry, we are light years away from where we were 3 or 4 years ago. There are tangible opportunities now that just didn't exist a few years ago.

We are still very prone to external shocks of course, anyone doing well now should be saving for any downturn that may (or will inevitably) arise.

engiweirdo

mariaalice wrote: »

engiweirdo wrote: »

Labour force participation rate South East : 59%. Full employment? 2 umemployed adults in a house (a couple) but magically one is a qualified adult and disappears from statistics. Obfuscation and dishonesty everywhere. Joke of a country.

There is more or less full employment it is a fact, even with that some will still be unemployed you cat extrapolate from your own situation on the the whole of Ireland.

A nuclear scientist with a PhD in nuclear sincere living in rural Kerry is going to struggle to get a job in nuclear science locally, yet a qualified chef is going to have no trouble getting a job if they want one.

There are lots of individual factors effecting employment.

There is not and ignoring the deeply flawed measuring criteria never will be full employment in this country. Even the little bubble in the pale is in reality far further away from this magical 5% figure that is presented as full employment. A booming Dublin does not equate to full employment in Ireland. In fact Dublin would need to dip significantly below 5% to account for the forgotten regions like the South-East and border region which are threading water.

engiweirdo

engiweirdo wrote: »

There is not and ignoring the deeply flawed measuring criteria never will be full employment in this country. Even the little bubble in the pale is in reality far further away from this magical 5% figure that is presented as full employment. A booming Dublin does not equate to full employment in Ireland. In fact Dublin would need to dip significantly below 5% to account for the forgotten regions like the South-East and border region which are threading water.

The uncomfortable truth about all modern work is you every often have to move to where the work is. Dublin is where the work is. If you are unemployed outside Dublin, move to Dublin (or Cork, Limerick or Galway). It is the same everywhere in the modern world and unlikely to change.

Get very good at your job and you'll be allowed work from home at which point you can move to wherever you want in the globe (within reason).

If the South East wants to compete with those cities, Wexford, Waterford, Carlow and Kilkenny need to band together as a coherent entity and compete together against the others.

Likewise, Cork, Limerick, Ennis and Galway should be pushing hard for the motorway to Cork to be completed to open up the Atlantic corridor as a counterbalance to the east coast.

engiweirdo

Deleted User wrote: »

engiweirdo wrote: »

There is not and ignoring the deeply flawed measuring criteria never will be full employment in this country. Even the little bubble in the pale is in reality far further away from this magical 5% figure that is presented as full employment. A booming Dublin does not equate to full employment in Ireland. In fact Dublin would need to dip significantly below 5% to account for the forgotten regions like the South-East and border region which are threading water.

The uncomfortable truth about all modern work is you every often have to move to where the work is. Dublin is where the work is. If you are unemployed outside Dublin, move to Dublin (or Cork, Limerick or Galway). It is the same everywhere in the modern world and unlikely to change.

Get very good at your job and you'll be allowed work from home at which point you can move to wherever you want in the globe (within reason).

If the South East wants to compete with those cities, Wexford, Waterford, Carlow and Kilkenny need to band together as a coherent entity and compete together against the others.

Likewise, Cork, Limerick, Ennis and Galway should be pushing hard for the motorway to Cork to be completed to open up the Atlantic corridor as a counterbalance to the east coast.

Move to Dublin. Its that simple eh? Got a spare €5/6k you could lend me for deposit+rent+moving costs etc?

Back on topic, misleading statistics and figures massaged to make the standing administration look/feel better help nobody. Not Dubs, nor Waterfordians nor Cavan men. We are, and will always remain a very broken country while we trust blindly in blatant lies.

engiweirdo

engiweirdo wrote: »

Move to Dublin. Its that simple eh? Got a spare €5/6k you could lend me for deposit+rent+moving costs etc?

Back on topic, misleading statistics and figures massaged to make the standing administration look/feel better help nobody. Not Dubs, nor Waterfordians nor Cavan men. We are, and will always remain a very broken country while we trust blindly in blatant lies.

It is and it isn't. There are parts of Europe that industry has died in and will never return, or at least, not in its former guise. If you live in one of those places (and imo, the decline of the South East is one of those places) then your best option (work wise) is to leave if you can't find employment locally. It's unpleasant but what do you want, platitudes that tell you the old jobs are coming back?

As for the set-up costs elsewhere, find a job first and take it from there imo.

engiweirdo

[Deleted User] wrote: »

As for the set-up costs elsewhere, find a job first and take it from there imo.

Ah right. Sound. And in this wonderful Dublin place, there's loads of places to live right? I won't have to pay 60% of my salary to live there either no? I'll tell the kid tomorrow we're all going to this fabulous place. It'll be fine I'm sure.

tomplate

Landon Scrawny Fog wrote: »

Seen in a shop the other, x8 busy self-checkout tills, and one singular human asset for people 'scared of those machines' and like a bit of a 'chit-chat'.

.

They're watching for shoplifting

engiweirdo

engiweirdo wrote: »

Ah right. Sound. And in this wonderful Dublin place, there's loads of places to live right? I won't have to pay 60% of my salary to live there either no? I'll tell the kid tomorrow we're all going to this fabulous place. It'll be fine I'm sure.

Better than being unemployed, but there are other places in Ireland with jobs, Cork, Galway, Limerick etc.

engiweirdo

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Better than being unemployed, but there are other places in Ireland with jobs, Cork, Galway, Limerick etc.

Aka every other city, and nobody sees any glaring issue with the odd one out. Actually financially it's better to be unemployed here than employed in Dublin at current housing costs. But everything's rosy in the garden. How long before that house of cards collapses?

4068ac1elhodqr

Deleted User wrote: »

The uncomfortable truth about all modern work is you every often have to move to where the work is. Dublin is where the work is. If you are unemployed outside Dublin, move to Dublin (or Cork, Limerick or Galway). It is the same everywhere in the modern world and unlikely to change.

Get very good at your job and you'll be allowed work from home at which point you can move to wherever you want in the globe (within reason).

If the South East wants to compete with those cities, Wexford, Waterford, Carlow and Kilkenny need to band together as a coherent entity and compete together against the others.

Likewise, Cork, Limerick, Ennis and Galway should be pushing hard for the motorway to Cork to be completed to open up the Atlantic corridor as a counterbalance to the east coast.

The population density and economy across the East coast (ncluding the North) outweights the rest of the country several times.

One game changer, would be hyperloop (still some time away), multiple pods doing 15mins from Dub, to Gal, Lim or Cork would solve many things.

Dub with it's density and costs is also the highest risk, should anything go pear shaped. The amount of foreign investment or tax registration by service (inc digital) companies is only beneficial so long as they don't jump ship.

The lack of native light-heavy industry (manufacturing) outside of pharma-agri might be a concern, as the non-tangible service industry can more or less hop on a plane overnight.

engiweirdo

engiweirdo wrote: »

Aka every other city, and nobody sees any glaring issue with the odd one out. Actually financially it's better to be unemployed here than employed in Dublin at current housing costs. But everything's rosy in the garden. How long before that house of cards collapses?

That's a choice you are allowed make, and fair play to you if that works for you but don't pretend it isn't a choice.

We have no idea when the next disaster will occur, except that it will inevitably occur. It could be Brexit or it could be 10 years from now. It is pointless to speculate but prudent to save against it.

As I said, the best option for the South East is for Wexford, Kilkenny, Carlow and Waterford to work together. Irish towns/cities spend too long fighting amongst themselves to co-ordinate themselves as an entity.

For example, if I said I had the power to give the south east a university and I had decided that Kilkenny was where it was going, Waterford would kick up a fuss, and Carlow would kick up a fuss, rather than saying, "well, this is too important to derail, it's better for the south east overall that the university is provided." Their individual interests would come ahead of what's best for the entire region. We see this all the time throughout the country.

The lack of a university is killing the south east, albeit slowly. UL has been a massive part of Limerick's regeneration employment wise.

Landon Scrawny Fog

Landon Scrawny Fog wrote: »

The population density and economy across the East coast (ncluding the North) outweights the rest of the country several times.

One game changer, would be hyperloop (still some time away), multiple pods doing 15mins from Dub, to Gal, Lim or Cork would solve many things.

Hyperloop is decades away, if it is even feasible. There's no point factoring it in.

True about the population density, even the Atlantic corridor would be a pale imitation of the east coast, but would hopefully develop over time.

4068ac1elhodqr

Deleted User wrote: »

Hyperloop is decades away, if it is even feasible. There's no point factoring it in.

True about the population density, even the Atlantic corridor would be a pale imitation of the east coast, but would hopefully develop over time.

Laying down fresh rail tracks would also take decades of groundwork, and planning issues followed with maintence crews, fencing, road intersections etc.
Underground would cost even more, with plenty of slow boring work.

The inital cost would be phenomenal, and there still remains proof of concept/use for any significant 'loop journeys.

In essence it's a bit like dropping 2m dia. sealed pipes (two can be carried on the back of a truck) on craned on top of supports pillars (90% off-ground). Likely also very little maintence to ever worry about with a sealed vacuum.

engiweirdo

Deleted User wrote: »

engiweirdo wrote: »

Aka every other city, and nobody sees any glaring issue with the odd one out. Actually financially it's better to be unemployed here than employed in Dublin at current housing costs. But everything's rosy in the garden. How long before that house of cards collapses?

That's a choice you are allowed make, and fair play to you if that works for you but don't pretend it isn't a choice.

We have no idea when the next disaster will occur, except that it will inevitably occur. It could be Brexit or it could be 10 years from now. It is pointless to speculate but prudent to save against it.

As I said, the best option for the South East is for Wexford, Kilkenny, Carlow and Waterford to work together. Irish towns/cities spend too long fighting amongst themselves to co-ordinate themselves as an entity.

For example, if I said I had the power to give the south east a university and I had decided that Kilkenny was where it was going, Waterford would kick up a fuss, and Carlow would kick up a fuss, rather than saying, "well, this is too important to derail, it's better for the south east overall that the university is provided." Their individual interests would come ahead of what's best for the entire region. We see this all the time throughout the country.

The lack of a university is killing the south east, albeit slowly. UL has been a massive part of Limerick's regeneration employment wise.

Its not much of a choice tbh, and it's missing the point to label it as that simple. In order to take up employment in Dublin I would incur significant personal debt, destabilise my families housing situation and suffer a decrease in living standards. And the Irish attitude is take it or feck off.

For comparison I was speaking to numerous Dutch recruiters/companies and what they put on the table is : *Cover all travel costs involved in interview, relocation and moving. *Source suitable accommodation for candidate, *Set up bank accounts and tax number, *Enroll children in suitable local school, *Assist with finding work for partner, *Language lessons, *A bike and/or public transport subsidy

A Dublin company will offer a job, at the cheapest rate its possible to pay you, and that's it. They want everything without providing anything in return, in a disaster of a city that costs an absolute fortune.

Family situation has made us hold back from the Netherlands but they're firmly back on the table very soon if no work can be sourced here.

And Dublin will still be boasting about full employment while people are hidden by statistics and the rest are crippled paying ever increasing rent.

LollipopJimmy

Ignoring the given stats for a minute and going on my own experience in recruitment, it is becoming harder and harder to place on roles now due to a lack of candidates.

I've had to go back to actually advertising roles on the various jobs boards and still a high proportion are from applicants who are living overseas. I am currently sitting on 7 mid level roles (€40-€60k salaries) but candidates are so thin on the ground I know I won't fill all of them. The market is all over the place and a good chunk of people with no work right now simply don't want to work.

engiweirdo

engiweirdo wrote: »

Its not much of a choice tbh, and it's missing the point to label it as that simple. In order to take up employment in Dublin I would incur significant personal debt, destabilise my families housing situation and suffer a decrease in living standards. And the Irish attitude is take it or feck off.

For comparison I was speaking to numerous Dutch recruiters/companies and what they put on the table is : *Cover all travel costs involved in interview, relocation and moving. *Source suitable accommodation for candidate, *Set up bank accounts and tax number, *Enroll children in suitable local school, *Assist with finding work for partner, *Language lessons, *A bike and/or public transport subsidy

A Dublin company will offer a job, at the cheapest rate its possible to pay you, and that's it. They want everything without providing anything in return, in a disaster of a city that costs an absolute fortune.

Family situation has made us hold back from the Netherlands but they're firmly back on the table very soon if no work can be sourced here.

And Dublin will still be boasting about full employment while people are hidden by statistics and the rest are crippled paying ever increasing rent.

Leaving aside the rest of it, a labour shortage should see employers forced into offering better conditions. I know of several employers who already do, particularly in Dublin and Limerick.

The dutch aren't offering a better deal just to be sound, they feel you are worth the investment and obviously face a labour shortage locally too. Sorry to hear about your family situation, hopefully it is resolved and you are free to move to the Netherlands soon, should you choose to.

engiweirdo

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

Ignoring the given stats for a minute and going on my own experience in recruitment, it is becoming harder and harder to place on roles now due to a lack of candidates.

I've had to go back to actually advertising roles on the various jobs boards and still a high proportion are from applicants who are living overseas. I am currently sitting on 7 mid level roles (€40-€60k salaries) but candidates are so thin on the ground I know I won't fill all of them. The market is all over the place and a good chunk of people with no work right now simply don't want to work.

Or dont want to uproot and move to an overpriced Irish city for the salary on offer.

cgcsb

engiweirdo wrote: »

So add roughly 20% on to the live register figures to account for job activation scams. Fudged numbers. I mean the CSO compiles the data in totality but somehow the live register figures are taken as gospel employment figures.

There are only about 50,000 people on those schemes, or about 2%

engiweirdo

cgcsb wrote: »

engiweirdo wrote: »

So add roughly 20% on to the live register figures to account for job activation scams. Fudged numbers. I mean the CSO compiles the data in totality but somehow the live register figures are taken as gospel employment figures.

There are only about 50,000 people on those schemes, or about 2%

About 20% extra to the 250,000 on the live register.
So unemployment is closer to 7% then, and in excess of 10% in various non-Dublin areas, and this ignores those counted as non participants. Still a long long way from full employment.