Would you like to attend a housing protest?

Seth Brundle

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

We have a 20 billion a year welfare bill.

Tell me that you would cut back on so we can abolish usc?

Long term social welfare payments.
Standard flat rate children's allowance payments per child.
Non payments of rent to council's should be deducted from welfare and/or wages
Etc.

Wheeliebin30

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Long term social welfare payments.
Standard flat rate children's allowance payments per child.
Non payments of rent to council's should be deducted from welfare and/or wages
Etc.

100%

handlemaster

Lots of people attending these protests I wonder where they get the time. MeI am to busy working

Seth Brundle

Should have added to my list that we need to be prepared to evict anti social tenants or tenants who refuse to pay rent. This nonsenseofnit taking a couple of years to evulict a non-paying tenant has to stop.
Furthermore to release housing back to the market, we need to stop this nonsense of whinging when banks want to sell tranches of non performing loans. Anyone not paying a mortgage and unprepared to liaise with their bank should not be allowed stay in that property. Let's stop this freeloading!

Simple_Simone

handlemaster wrote: »

Lots of people attending these protests I wonder where they get the time. MeI am to busy working

There's a story about one of them on the Guardian website today: a 23 year TCD undergraduate with the IQ of a banana. Hasn't worked a day in his life but believes that the taxpayer should give a free house to everyone in the country who wants one.

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018/nov/29/empty-dublin-housing-crisis-airbnb-homelessness-landlords

Wheeliebin30

Simple_Simone wrote: »

There's a story about one of them on the Guardian website today: a 23 year TCD undergraduate with the IQ of a banana. Hasn't worked a day in his life but believes that the taxpayer should give a free house to everyone in the country who wants one.

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018/nov/29/empty-dublin-housing-crisis-airbnb-homelessness-landlords

Like Eoin o Brion.

Ranting everyday about da rich yet he attended Blackrock College at a cost of 7,000 a year.

A privileged life our Eoin has led alright.

Champagne socialist if I ever saw one.

BlackandGreen

Haven't read any more posts since last night but still seeing the usual disapproval and slandering of people attending the housing protest.
It's frustrating being lumped in with the wasters.
I got talking with somebody about this issue today and he had a great idea.

get this...how about

a housing protest group, which consists of PAYE workers and family. tax payers. the squeezed middle, the younger generations who don't have the opportunity to afford decent housing.

There's already a bunch of groups for homeless charities, social welfare, and all that attending but. I think a group of PAYE workers standing together, even if its part of this event on Saturday, would be a great idea.
It'd actually represent a lot of us. Rather than begrudging and moaning about so called scroungers.

opinions? would you attend if you were represented as a PAYE worker?

Jimbob1977

Water charges will arrive one day

I think we're the only country in the OECD without water charges.

'General taxation' is like a bottomless pit of money that will magically pay for everything.

In twenty years, water could be more precious than oil.

Naos

Old diesel wrote: »

Well it seems Vienna have a nice set up.

Just looking at an article from 2017....

Over 60 percent of citizens inn Vienna live in either municipal owned or publically subsidised homes.

8 out of 10 flats are financed under Viennas public subsidy scheme.

Sounds like a plan to me.

Co op housing as delivered by Hugh Brennan is another option and perhaps the public subsidy idea of Vienna could be deployed to address the expensive land issue.

With assistence from the local authority in terms of waiving the development levies and ultra cheap plots of land.

Hugh Brennan has been able to deliver 3 bed A2 BER rated homes for 170 k.

Mortgages for these are claimed to be 850 a month.

Now you might ask how are we going to pay for it.....

That Vienna solution is all well and good, but the issue here appears to be people want a free house. Not a free apartment.

Why are houses with gardens even in discussion? Why are we not just building apartment blocks like every other European city?

Ubbquittious

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

Water charges will arrive one day

I think we're the only country in the OECD without water charges.

'General taxation' is like a bottomless pit of money that will magically pay for everything.

In twenty years, water could be more precious than oil.

In 20 years it wont stop raining in Ireland.



It seems more like general taxation is a bottomless pit that pays for nothing and if you want to make the slightest use of any government service you have to pay for it again separately and through the nose.

anewme

Laughing at some of the suggestions on here. I finish paying my house off at around sixty after being fleeced by the tax man and paying ioff my home myself and then people are suggesting elderly are financially sanctioned if they won't downsize out of my 3 bed.

To make way for the likes of Margaret cash who has never paid a penny.

Who the fck thinks up this type of bull****..

No, I've absolutely no interest in attending an entitlement protest.

anewme

anewme wrote: »

Laughing at some of the suggestions on here. I finish paying my house off at around sixty after being fleeced by the tax man and paying ioff my home myself and then people are suggesting elderly are financially sanctioned if they won't downsize out of my 3 bed.

To make way for the likes of Margaret cash who has never paid a penny.

Who the fck thinks up this type of bull****..

No, I've absolutely no interest in attending an entitlement protest.

That’s it in a nutshell. Entitlement. I was talking to a lady today who, 35 years ago found herself a single parent to two under 5s. She was allocated a council house. She wasn’t given a choice other than “take it or leave it”. The previous occupants had moved on leaving the house in reasonable condition. It was up to her herself to decorate it. She spent a couple of weeks washing down walls, then painting them. New floor coverings had to wait. Her circumstances changed 15 years later when she was in a position to buy a house with her new partner, big enough to house both their families. That’s the way it should be. Help there when it’s needed. Not as a right, but as a support.

Nowadays, she’d have been given a choice. The house would have been gutted and redecorated, new flooring etc before keys were handed over. She was just too happy to have a roof over their heads.

Ubbquittious

Deleted User wrote: »

That’s it in a nutshell. Entitlement. I was talking to a lady today who, 35 years ago found herself a single parent to two under 5s. She was allocated a council house. She wasn’t given a choice other than “take it or leave it”. The previous occupants had moved on leaving the house in reasonable condition. It was up to her herself to decorate it. She spent a couple of weeks washing down walls, then painting them. New floor coverings had to wait. Her circumstances changed 15 years later when she was in a position to buy a house with her new partner, big enough to house both their families. That’s the way it should be. Help there when it’s needed. Not as a right, but as a support.

Nowadays, she’d have been given a choice. The house would have been gutted and redecorated, new flooring etc before keys were handed over. She was just too happy to have a roof over their heads.

What brought on this carry on with doing up the house for the next crowd moving in? Surely must cost loads. How was it not done away with after the tiger ended?

anewme

Ubbquittious wrote: »

What brought on this carry on with doing up the house for the next crowd moving in? Surely must cost loads. How was it not done away with after the tiger ended?

We did up my Dads council house, for his comfort. When he left, we were pleased thar someone would get a decent house, were shocked to see the lovely kitchen, front door etc thrown in a skip and replaced with lesser quality stuff. Council can be very jobsworthy.

anewme

anewme wrote: »

We did up my Dads council house, for his comfort. When he left, we were pleased thar someone would get a decent house, were shocked to see the lovely kitchen, front door etc thrown in a skip and replaced with lesser quality stuff. Council can be very jobsworthy.

Fortunately, the majority are like your family. You don’t hear them shouting about rights or entitlement. They greatfully accept help when needed.

Unfortunately, not all see it like that. It’s probably why they don’t respect what they’re given.

mvl

Naos wrote: »

That Vienna solution is all well and good, but the issue here appears to be people want a free house. Not a free apartment.

Why are houses with gardens even in discussion? Why are we not just building apartment blocks like every other European city?

totally agree with this.

NIMAN

Naos wrote: »

Why are we not just building apartment blocks like every other European city?

Cos we can't ruin Dublin's beautiful skyline!

Preactically every other major capital has high rise buildings, if we insist on keeping everything below 6 floors, what do you expect. Space to build on is finite. You have to go up.

mvl

anewme wrote: »

Laughing at some of the suggestions on here. I finish paying my house off at around sixty after being fleeced by the tax man and paying ioff my home myself and then people are suggesting elderly are financially sanctioned if they won't downsize out of my 3 bed.

To make way for the likes of Margaret cash who has never paid a penny.

Who the fck thinks up this type of bull****..

No, I've absolutely no interest in attending an entitlement protest.

c'mon, 3 bed is at the limit I would have thought
- actually we might have to rent 1 bedroom out of 3, cause the pensions would be gone by the time we're retiring (with current generosity & lack of foresight).

Wheeliebin30

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That’s it in a nutshell. Entitlement. I was talking to a lady today who, 35 years ago found herself a single parent to two under 5s. She was allocated a council house. She wasn’t given a choice other than “take it or leave it”. The previous occupants had moved on leaving the house in reasonable condition. It was up to her herself to decorate it. She spent a couple of weeks washing down walls, then painting them. New floor coverings had to wait. Her circumstances changed 15 years later when she was in a position to buy a house with her new partner, big enough to house both their families. That’s the way it should be. Help there when it’s needed. Not as a right, but as a support.

Nowadays, she’d have been given a choice. The house would have been gutted and redecorated, new flooring etc before keys were handed over. She was just too happy to have a roof over their heads.

And nowhere else in the world would you get such a ridiculous amount handed to you yet the gubberment don’t care about the vulnerable yada yada blahhh.

Naos

NIMAN wrote: »

Cos we can't ruin Dublin's beautiful skyline!

Preactically every other major capital has high rise buildings, if we insist on keeping everything below 6 floors, what do you expect. Space to build on is finite. You have to go up.

Yup.

Build high rise, you get a higher density of people which means we can now start running more transport through the area. You will also have an increase in local bakeries, shops etc.

All over Europe it's this way.

ygolometsipe

I've seen a few posts that amount to

"tell us your perfect solution or shut up", well thats just farcical.

The government is handsomely paid to spend their working time thinking about solution's.
Its not my job to run the country, that's their job and their really really bad at it.

Why? because most young people can't afford a place to live.
If you think thats entitled and you own a property then shame on you.

The government can hire any amount of special advisers, professors, think tanks
independent advisers, yet they still can't solve an age old problem of building houses.

The first traces of a house being built go back almost 12 thousand years, we've been building
houses for longer than sliced bread.

This is now suddenly an impossible problem? Has the human race suddenly become incapacitated?

The government has utterly failed to use its power's to create more supply.

How many vacant home's?, How much land is zoned for construction but not used?
Why is Dublin council allowed to continue its fetish with sky views?
Why not have a use it or lose it policy to land zoning.
How much state land can be built on? If they started three years ago, where would supply be now?
Why is non-resident land ownership not taxed to the hilt.
Tax credits for renters?
Actual enforcement of pressure zones
Third-Fourth home tax
...

The government gave some nice tax breaks to the vulture funds and they flooded here.
How about giving the same tax break contracts to construction companies that can build quick
on time and at scale on government land?

Ah sure, no need to change things, sure isn't the government having a great time
They take about 50% tax from rental income and sure doesn't it help NAMA's books look neat.

Rubberchikken

no way i would attend any housing protest. god almighty the lot doing this would be better employed explaining to those who want houses to ..
be willing to move to where house are available, take the house that is offered to you, actively look for employment.
plus councils need to stop wasting money redoing houses as they are vacated - and we need to start allowing developers to build apartments not just houses.

n97 mini

10k people turned up on a Wednesday?

Sorry, no can do. I have a job.

doneal

imme wrote: »

Why on a Wednesday?

The protest you mentioned OP was on a Wednesday, did the people who attended not have jobs to be in at the time.

Housing in general is causing issues in society at present, it is a problem, rental and purchase.

However, I don't want government to build vast estates, they inculcate dependency.

HAP is having a distorting effect on the market.
It is a bad scheme.

Even when local government has engaged in 'rapid build' the houses have not been as described, i.e. rapid.
The price of them has been unbelievable. That model is no answer.

I don't want local government or housing associations buying in my area as it could depress the price even though they could be leading to price inflation.

Some of the people housed by housing associations have been through local government housing and been kicked out by them.

Some experience all sorts of social, mental health issues.

What is the answer?

It ain't easy, that's for sure.

It's bad by the way they apply it ,
So to apply HAP you will need platform so companies who approve like and have accomodation that eligible for HAP to post.

I think its no good idea to blame hap for greedy landlord .HAP is system that should be applicable to all houses and households automatically by test means.
Hap is cure for those on poor wages .

BlackandGreen

n97 mini wrote: »

10k people turned up on a Wednesday?

Sorry, no can do. I have a job.

Good thing this time it's on a saturday.

realdanbreen

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

There is a huge housing problem. Rents are gone bananas.

If you keep directing jobs into Dublin instead of directing and distributing them around the country then you are bound to have gridlock and soaring prices.

realdanbreen

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Like Eoin o Brion.

Ranting everyday about da rich yet he attended Blackrock College at a cost of 7,000 a year.

A privileged life our Eoin has led alright.

Champagne socialist if I ever saw one.

Himself and his missus must rake in north of €300k between salaries and expenses every year.

PlaneSpeeking

realdanbreen wrote: »

Himself and his missus must rake in north of €300k between salaries and expenses every year.

Like most so called socialists here and in the UK - two faced f**king scrotes to a man.

Berserker

Naos wrote: »

Why are houses with gardens even in discussion? Why are we not just building apartment blocks like every other European city?

A few reasons. Irish people have a fixation with houses, for starters. We were discussing apartments at a family meal a few years back and my sister's MIL summed the attitude up wonderfully when said "You have nothing if you don't have a front door of your own", on hearing that my sister and her husband were thinking about buying an apartment as a starter home. Secondly, Irish builders seem to have real problems building quality apartments. Thirdly, people don't want to build up here for some reason. Fourthly, apartments by design here tend to be shoe boxes with no gardens, unlike the apartments you find on mainland Europe.

BlackandGreen wrote: »

Good thing this time it's on a saturday.

People don't work on Saturday?

Ray Palmer

Naos wrote: »

Why are houses with gardens even in discussion? Why are we not just building apartment blocks like every other European city?

There are number of reasons. The main one being Ireland didn't get bombed and have the power to seize the lands left. Other European countries rebuilt their cities with massive amount of cash after the war. That gave them the ability to build and set up structures that could be sustained.

People discovered in Ireland that they could refuse social housing in flats/apartments. They would then get a house instead. Exactly what happened to Ballymun where they were refused and the lowest on the list took them as they would never get anywhere else. Lots of people with addiction ended up there as a result. The whole place got worse after that.

Ownership of the property remained in private hands so they couldn't just take property demolish it and build.

So to have the European model you would need to go back in time and kill more of the population and destroy the city. Get money from the people who destroyed the place and then build. Just need a time machine