Would you live in a residential park home?

Cleopatra_

So I was reading this book set in America and part of it involves an RV park. It made me think of how some Americans live permanently in trailer parks. Then I had to think of these residential park homes that you can live in permanently in the UK. Now obviously these homes are much better quality than living in a mobile home, they are more like cabins I suppose. I was wondering why we don't have anything like these permanent parks in Ireland (or do we?) and if it could be a consideration especially during the housing crisis. I'm not sure if I'd live in one, my main concern would be how well insulated they are and what it would be like to live in one during the winter.

I suppose for Irish people caravans or residential parks have connotations with travellers that some may find unappealing.


https://prestigeparkandleisurehomes.co.uk/residential-park-homes/

Here is a link to one of the residential parks in the UK.

JMNolan

I can't move far away from my ma!

completedit

Depends on location.

Cee-Jay-Cee

We do have them here, they're called 'Halting Sites'

Deebles McBeebles

If it looked like the houses in the link you posted and was cheaper than a normal house, yep.

oneilla

Do they take rent allowance?

Cleopatra_

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

If it looked like the houses in the link you posted and was cheaper than a normal house, yep.

Depending on the "house", you can buy one for about 70,000 (sterling) outright.

Call me Al

No. I wouldn't. I think im aware of a poster here who is living in something along these lines, but no it wouldn't be for me.
Central heating at the flick of a switch and a steady 20 degree temperature are two modern conveniences I couldn't live without nowadays.

Boom_Bap

What's the stable situation?

brevity

Is there room for a trampoline?

Graces7

Cleopatra_ wrote: »

So I was reading this book set in America and part of it involves an RV park. It made me think of how some Americans live permanently in trailer parks. Then I had to think of these residential park homes that you can live in permanently in the UK. Now obviously these homes are much better quality than living in a mobile home, they are more like cabins I suppose. I was wondering why we don't have anything like these permanent parks in Ireland (or do we?) and if it could be a consideration especially during the housing crisis. I'm not sure if I'd live in one, my main concern would be how well insulated they are and what it would be like to live in one during the winter.

I suppose for Irish people caravans or residential parks have connotations with travellers that some may find unappealing.


https://prestigeparkandleisurehomes.co.uk/residential-park-homes/

Here is a link to one of the residential parks in the UK.

Yes for the accommodation. No for too many folk around as I am a loner. Caravans these days are very well insulated etc. My home is all but a caravan without wheels. Dry and draft proof and easy to heat.

There are holiday trailer parks here; no reason why they should not be all the year round. No real difference between them and a street in many ways

BUT one big reason for the dire shortage of rentals is that folk can make a lot more money for less work by summer renting than by all year. When I was seeking a house, that came across time after time. In one place there were 200 houses to let but as holiday homes only, closed all winter .. all about money

at one stage I was offered a winter let but come april, out you go..

Boom_Bap

brevity wrote: »

Is there room for a trampoline?

Decking before trampoline!

Sunflower 27

They look quite nice, but I'd worry they wouldnt be well insulated.

Guy:Incognito

There are people here living in mobile home sites. Any of the ones in wexford that are open year round will have a couple of permanent residents. Few in dublin too.

We did work in the house of a couple in Crumlin a few months back that were living in one in North County Dublin and renting their house (retired couple) think they pissed off abroad for a couple of months a year too.

Graces7

Call me Al wrote: »

No. I wouldn't. I think im aware of a poster here who is living in something along these lines, but no it wouldn't be for me.
Central heating at the flick of a switch and a steady 20 degree temperature are two modern conveniences I couldn't live without nowadays.

That is available in a modern trailer. The residential ones are superbly equipped.

see
https://www.donedeal.ie/mobilehomes-for-sale/willerby-vogue/20428897?campaign=3

and others on donedeal

Graces7

Sunflower 27 wrote: »

They look quite nice, but I'd worry they wouldnt be well insulated.

Far better than a bricks and mortar house in my experience

Buford T. Justice XIX

Boom_Bap wrote: »

What's the stable situation?

I imagine once they're well tied down, they're very stable...:P

I know someone who lived in a mobile home on the site her house was being built on. Her dad was a builder and put a lot of insulation in and a sort of fake wall on the inside (I'm sure there are better ways of describing it) and it was very cozy most of the time. Worked out very well for the situation but I'm not sure it'd be ideal long term.

It wouldn't be for me but I don't know if it's because of the trailer trash connotations or because for tens of thousands of pounds I'd rather have a more permanent structure or just some deeper bias that I'm not fully aware of.

That said, the ones in the link seem rather nice.

SEPT 23 1989

there was a few of these in north dublin in the 70's

NSAman

Berties_Horse wrote: »

That's on another cultural level, my house by its very nature doesn't move.

Wait until liquefaction after THE BIG ONE!

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

I did my j1 in California and a friend that I made, her nana lived in a “trailer park”, and she brought me to visit once. I was horrified at the thoughts of it but I didn’t want to be rude. This girl was really nice, not trash at all. We got to the park and it was basically an old folk community. The trailers were like actual homes not mobile homes. They were huge inside, and they had a communal swimming pool and club house for parties etc, that was so well kept and super clean. They all had little gardens at the front of their homes that were kept neat and clean. It was actually beautiful.

NSAman

Valentino Noisy Windstorm wrote: »

I did my j1 in California and a friend that I made, her nana lived in a “trailer park”, and she brought me to visit once. I was horrified at the thoughts of it but I didn’t want to be rude. This girl was really nice, not trash at all. We got to the park and it was basically an old folk community. The trailers were like actual homes not mobile homes. They were huge inside, and they had a communal swimming pool and club house for parties etc, that was so well kept and super clean. They all had little gardens at the front of their homes that were kept neat and clean. It was actually beautiful.

Not all the American Trailer Parks have "Trailer Trash". Some in CA and FL are really nice communities. If you consider that both States have high home prices, these trailer homes make more sense.

The HOA (home owners associations) have strict guidelines as to what you can and cannot do in the community and have strict building codes and rules of conduct which will incur fines etc. if you step out of line. (I cannot see this being enforced in Ireland as HOA's have little legal powers in Ireland).

For Forks Sake

I'm very partial to the periwinkle blue

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPCtEMbUgJM

Boom_Bap

Valentino Noisy Windstorm wrote: »

I did my j1 in California and a friend that I made, her nana lived in a “trailer park”, and she brought me to visit once. I was horrified at the thoughts of it but I didn’t want to be rude. This girl was really nice, not trash at all. We got to the park and it was basically an old folk community. The trailers were like actual homes not mobile homes. They were huge inside, and they had a communal swimming pool and club house for parties etc, that was so well kept and super clean. They all had little gardens at the front of their homes that were kept neat and clean. It was actually beautiful.

The same in Maine, some of the trailers were lovely and had a lovely community around them.

DEFTLEFTHAND

There's one in Birr, Co. Offaly.

Tabnabs

These places exist in Ireland, they just stay under the radar mainly. There's probably an argument for well controlled and regulated sites being allowed to operate to cater for low income folks.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/families-face-homelessness-amid-caravan-park-closure-1.2768720

freshpopcorn

It's something I'd be open to depending on who my neighbours would be.

Graces7

freshpopcorn wrote: »

It's something I'd be open to depending on who my neighbours would be.

That applies wherever you live ..

Jimjay

There was one in Greystones County Wicklow until recently

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/families-face-homelessness-amid-caravan-park-closure-1.2768720?mode=amp

Graces7

Jimjay wrote: »

There was one in Greystones County Wicklow until recently

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/families-face-homelessness-amid-caravan-park-closure-1.2768720?mode=amp

\an appalling situation.

Given the current dire need of housing, well run trailer parks as they have in the US and Canada, could provide a real solution.

Maybe easier for we who grew up in immediate post war England. Massive housing needs after the bombings. Far worse than Ireland now.

The solution then was prefabs. Acres of them were a common sight.

I live in what is basically a prefab; a demountable dwelling. There was nowhere else to go. For some reason they are not used enough here. Nor are trailers.

freshpopcorn

if the government did announce one of these being built I could see certain TD's giving out because it's simply not good enough.

Zorya

In swift passing my eyes recently caught glimpse of a story of a young couple driven out by the latest fires in california, they lived in a mobile home park, and the article said their home and land cost them $420,000.

Four hundred and twenty thousand dollars.

Graces7

freshpopcorn wrote: »

if the government did announce one of these being built I could see certain TD's giving out because it's simply not good enough.

Graces7

Zorya wrote: »

In swift passing my eyes recently caught glimpse of a story of a young couple driven out by the latest fires in california, they lived in a mobile home park, and the article said their home and land cost them $420,000.

Four hundred and twenty thousand dollars.

And? Not sure what your point is?

Zorya

Graces7 wrote: »

Zorya wrote: »

In swift passing my eyes recently caught glimpse of a story of a young couple driven out by the latest fires in california, they lived in a mobile home park, and the article said their home and land cost them $420,000.

Four hundred and twenty thousand dollars.

And? Not sure what your point is?

Just that it's rather a lot of money for a mobile home.

freshpopcorn

Graces7 wrote: »

I could see any austerity TD's such a Claire Daly, Paul Murphy, etc say that these mobile homes(what ever you want to call them) aren't good enough and people deserve a proper house.

PlaneSpeeking

Graces7 wrote: »

You know what he means. There are perfectly acceptable alternatives to bricks and mortar homes "trailers" (for want of a better word) being one.

Eoghan Murphy tomorrow says that we've bought 2,000 of them and they'll be ready to move in Friday - huge chunk of the alleged homeless crisis solved.

That O'Broian **** from Sinn Fein will be getting a protest up before the press release has been read out.

It is obvious what is going on, there is no housing "crisis" - there is an increasing number of people who refuse to contribute a cent but demand to live in the city centre, meaning that those who work in said CC have to commute long distances.

There isn't a demand simply for "shelter" or "housing" - there's a demand for 4 bed semis next to mammy. For free (before the pedants geg in - if we give you 200 quid a month gratis for rent, the house is free to you).

And to the OP - yeah I would live in one. A relative lives in San Bernadino and lives on a "seniors ranch" and they are all trailers, the photos are better than my house!

Graces7

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I could see any austerity TD's such a Claire Daly, Paul Murphy, etc say that these mobile homes(what ever you want to call them) aren't good enough and people deserve a proper house.

Oh ok. And they have lived there rather than in a b and b? Well, OK . ! Given the choice of this or a car to live in?

Graces7

Zorya wrote: »

Graces7 wrote: »

Just that it's rather a lot of money for a mobile home.

and the land?

Cleopatra_

Zorya wrote: »

In swift passing my eyes recently caught glimpse of a story of a young couple driven out by the latest fires in california, they lived in a mobile home park, and the article said their home and land cost them $420,000.

Four hundred and twenty thousand dollars.

Jaysus, you could see why living in a trailer is the only option if it costs that much money. I wouldn't even be able to afford the trailer! Between that and my medication costs for CF I'd be absolutely fecked in the US. Feeling very glad to live in Europe.

Zorya

Graces7 wrote: »

Zorya wrote: »

and the land?

My issue would not really be the cabin - I am thinking of selling up and buying a wooden build on more land, that doesn't bother me. It is the park aspect that I would not like - I like to live isolated. Buying land at that kind of price to squish in beside other people in mobile homes seem pretty expensive to me, but maybe it's not in California.

freshpopcorn

Graces7 wrote: »

Oh ok. And they have lived there rather than in a b and b? Well, OK . ! Given the choice of this or a car to live in?

Well from my understanding they want a house or an apartment in a certain area.
They'd know of they'd accept anything else they wouldn't get what they wanted.
Now some people would be delighted with one of these homes but some would kick up a fuss.

RobbingBandit

Trailer Park Boys Andy Bo Bandy as a neighbour hell yeah I would

Zorya

Cleopatra_ wrote: »

Jaysus, you could see why living in a trailer is the only option if it costs that much money. I wouldn't even be able to afford the trailer! Between that and my medication costs for CF I'd be absolutely fecked in the US. Feeling very glad to live in Europe.

Yes. How much are the actual block houses? How the hell do people afford to live there? That was what I thought too.

Grandeeod

Back in the 1970s, both Dublin Corporation and Dublin County Council built more primitive versions of these. I specifically remember one on Nutgrove Avenue in Rathfarnham. There's apartments on the site now.

NSAman

Zorya wrote: »

Yes. How much are the actual block houses? How the hell do people afford to live there? That was what I thought too.

It’s California, its expensive.

Hence why California has many people moving out of it. Between the Taxes, the cost of housing and the influx of people into the State both legal and illegal, the cost of living there is out of control.

touts

You can't be putting the welfare class in things like that. That would be cruel and a violation of their human right to a 4 bed detached house with half an acre of land for whatever hobby they happen to claim to have.

Now if you are stupid enough to work and pay tax. Well the way things are going that's all you'll be able to afford in a few years and sure isn't that good enough for you for doing a silly thing like working.

PlaneSpeeking

touts wrote: »

You can't be putting the welfare class in things like that. That would be cruel and a violation of their human right to a 4 bed detached house with half an acre of land for whatever hobby they happen to claim to have.

Now if you are stupid enough to work and pay tax. Well the way things are going that's all you'll be able to afford in a few years and sure isn't that good enough for you for doing a silly thing like working.

Top level saracasm sir!

Worrying is that Paul Murphy has taken notes for his next election leaflet!

Idbatterim

my friend put up a log cabin in his back garden a few weeks ago, used ground screws for the foundations, you can have a 2/3 bed residential log cabin, up in about a week, all in I would say (i.e fully fitted out etc.) Being timber built they are environmentally friends, rapid build time. Built off site, so they fly up. You use the same insulation material in them as block built houses obviously, this idiotic notion that they are cold or hard to heat, is laughable!

seamus

I do expect the connotations with travellers plays a big part in it.

Not only the fact that people will refuse to accept that accommodation because, "I'm not a bleedin' knacker!", but because if you were to run one of these parks your heart would likely be broken trying to maintain order.

Caravan parks for holidaying is one thing, but for residential all it takes is one animal who dumps their sh1t all over the place to turn the place into a dump overnight. And then trying to legally evict them is not easy. See how difficult it is to shift travellers off illegally-occupied public land? Now imagine they're actually paying you to stay there legally. Everyone else in the park would have left before you manage to evict the scumbag.

NSAman

Idbatterim wrote: »

my friend put up a log cabin in his back garden a few weeks ago, used ground screws for the foundations, you can have a 2/3 bed residential log cabin, up in about a week, all in I would say (i.e fully fitted out etc.) Being timber built they are environmentally friends, rapid build time. Built off site, so they fly up. You use the same insulation material in them as block built houses obviously, this idiotic notion that they are cold or hard to heat, is laughable!

Only issue I see here is that your friend actually worked for himself to get this done. Now add in LA costs and consultants fees etc...etc...etc... and this 20K build becomes a 200K build.