“Local Access Only” sign on a road

bobbysands81

If you’re going down such a road, and you’re not using it for local access but to pass through to evade traffic, could it result in penalty points?

punisher5112

bobbysands81 wrote: »

If you’re going down such a road, and you’re not using it for local access but to pass through to evade traffic, could it result in penalty points?

You can be fined of course.

I honestly can't get over the amount that actually do it.

Gravelly

punisher5112 wrote: »

You can be fined of course.

I honestly can't get over the amount that actually do it.

Fined for using a road because of a local access only sign? How?

Padraig Mor

Are such signs actually legally binding?

seamus

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Are such signs actually legally binding?

I don't believe so.

cml387

There is a list of mandatory road signs which if you disobey will result in prosecution if caught.
I don't think "local access " is one of them.

GBX

You'd need to be fairly unlucky to get fined for doing so.

The high horse brigade

Are temporary traffic lights legally binding?

punisher5112

Gravelly wrote: »

Fined for using a road because of a local access only sign? How?

People get stopped and fines when doing so on N11 so of course you can if you are intending to use it as a bypass.

Gravelly

punisher5112 wrote: »

People get stopped and fines when doing so on N11 so of course you can if you are intending to use it as a bypass.

I'm pretty sure a "local access only" sign is indicative rather than statutory. I can't see how one could be fined for it.

Fann Linn

punisher5112 wrote: »

You can be fined of course.

I honestly can't get over the amount that actually do it.

Is this a wind up?

Fann Linn

The high horse brigade wrote: »

Are temporary traffic lights legally binding?

Yes.

seamus

punisher5112 wrote: »

People get stopped and fines when doing so on N11 so of course you can if you are intending to use it as a bypass.

Where? Link it on Google Maps there.

punisher5112

seamus wrote: »

Where? Link it on Google Maps there.

Road after Glen of the downs and before kilmacanogue

seamus

You're going to have to be more specific, there are lots of roads between GOTD and Kilmac.

And do you know for a fact that people have been fined.

Isambard

Fann Linn wrote: »

Yes.

How can they be? I could hire a set and put them in the road outside my home to make it easier to get out of my drive, they surely can't have a legal standing.

bobbysands81

punisher5112 wrote: »

Road after Glen of the downs and before kilmacanogue

Which is exactly the road I’m referring to in the original post!

punisher5112

Failure to comply with prohibitory traffic signs 1 point or 3 in court.

punisher5112

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Which is exactly the road I’m referring to in the original post!

Well that wasn't stated I was trying to be helpful and answer your question.

There are many penalty point offences which are changing quite a lot since introduction.

Mad thing is it's only 2 points driving a wrong way on motorways......


People use the local access only roads to skip Q's

Gravelly

punisher5112 wrote: »

Failure to comply with prohibitory traffic signs 1 point or 3 in court.

Had a quick look through the traffic sign regulation book there, and local access signs aren't listed in either prohibitory or regulatory signs, so I assume they are just indicative, and no penalty points of fine is applicable for disobeying them.

seamus

punisher5112 wrote: »

Failure to comply with prohibitory traffic signs 1 point or 3 in court.

Yeah, the signs have to be legally proscribed though.

A council can't just put up a sign saying, "<something> prohibited", and the Gardai have to enforce it.

If it's not a legally defined sign, then you cannot be penalised for ignoring it.

That's not to say a Garda won't stop you and frustrate the **** out of you for it.

Again, can we get a look at this sign?

Greentree_uk

this one always got me,

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.3452426,-6.2550814,3a,75y,244.52h,91.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1srbJ3Rw4egAoS47g6Tytimg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192


yes I want to "access" Westmoreland st.

GM228

punisher5112 wrote: »

Failure to comply with prohibitory traffic signs 1 point or 3 in court.

That offence only applies to specific traffic sign violations, not just any sign, namely a prohibition on turning left, right or continuing straight on.

Local access only signs are not prescribed by law, have no legal standing and confer no obligations on road users (unless they are an accompanying plate on a prohibition sign).

GM228

Greentree_uk wrote: »

this one always got me,

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.3452426,-6.2550814,3a,75y,244.52h,91.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1srbJ3Rw4egAoS47g6Tytimg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192


yes I want to "access" Westmoreland st.

Access is specifically defined as entry or exit to/from a premises adjacent to the road. In that case the sign has statutory backing.

GM228

Elemonator wrote: »

I know in the UK they were given equal status with permanent lights in a 1994 regulation from the time of the beginning of their use until the end. I can only assume its the same here.

Failure to stop at a red light
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1964/si/294/made/en/print

There's more than one way to get you. If you proceed past a red light for example at roadworks where there are construction workers on the road you are guilty of dangerous driving.

No, you are guilty of passing a red light same as a normal set of traffic lights. Temporary traffic lights have the same legal standing as permanent ones.

Dangerous driving requires certain conditions to apply and is not applicable to ordinary traffic infractions save with a few exceptions such as excessive speeding for example.

The key important ingredient in such a charge is there must be a direct, immediate and serious risk to the public which a reasonably prudent person would recognise taking into consideration the circumstances at the time. Most minor road infractions such as passing a red light in and of themselves fall well below the required threshold for dangerous driving.

Bye the way the Regulations you linked to were revoked 21 years ago.

Isambard

Elemonator wrote: »

I know in the UK they were given equal status with permanent lights in a 1994 regulation from the time of the beginning of their use until the end. I can only assume its the same here.

Failure to stop at a red light
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1964/si/294/made/en/print

There's more than one way to get you. If you proceed past a red light for example at roadworks where there are construction workers on the road you are guilty of dangerous driving.

your last point I accept, but I can only repeat, what is the legality of lights I might hire from my local hire shop and set up on the road?

Isambard

Isambard wrote: »

your last point I accept, but I can only repeat, what is the legality of lights I might hire from my local hire shop and set up on the road?

Id say you need paper work to set them up in the first place

Isambard

BrownFinger wrote: »

Id say you need paper work to set them up in the first place

well yes I can see that, but they are used so frequently by contractors nowadays, I doubt that 99% of temporary lights have a paper chain. I guess you're saying if there's no paperwork, you can pass them, that's at odds with what several posters have said,

ewj1978

There's a "local access only" sign set up near Newgrange. Obviously to deter people from just driving up to the site. Loads of tourists bypass the visitor centre and just drive over to it.
Well they would do.. but their SAT navs now only take them to the visitor centre

mullingar

AFAIK the only legally binding local access only system is having a mandatory sign of "No entry" which must have red border, then a supplementary sign to define any exceptions such as "local access only" with a black border

Apiarist

Greentree_uk wrote: »

this one always got me,

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.3452426,-6.2550814,3a,75y,244.52h,91.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1srbJ3Rw4egAoS47g6Tytimg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192


yes I want to "access" Westmoreland st.

This one is not a "local access" sign. This is an official No Straight Ahead sign

with exceptions.