“Local Access Only” sign on a road

bobbysands81

If you’re going down such a road, and you’re not using it for local access but to pass through to evade traffic, could it result in penalty points?

punisher5112

bobbysands81 wrote: »

If you’re going down such a road, and you’re not using it for local access but to pass through to evade traffic, could it result in penalty points?

You can be fined of course.

I honestly can't get over the amount that actually do it.

Gravelly

punisher5112 wrote: »

You can be fined of course.

I honestly can't get over the amount that actually do it.

Fined for using a road because of a local access only sign? How?

Padraig Mor

Are such signs actually legally binding?

seamus

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Are such signs actually legally binding?

I don't believe so.

cml387

There is a list of mandatory road signs which if you disobey will result in prosecution if caught.
I don't think "local access " is one of them.

GBX

You'd need to be fairly unlucky to get fined for doing so.

The high horse brigade

Are temporary traffic lights legally binding?

punisher5112

Gravelly wrote: »

Fined for using a road because of a local access only sign? How?

People get stopped and fines when doing so on N11 so of course you can if you are intending to use it as a bypass.

Gravelly

punisher5112 wrote: »

People get stopped and fines when doing so on N11 so of course you can if you are intending to use it as a bypass.

I'm pretty sure a "local access only" sign is indicative rather than statutory. I can't see how one could be fined for it.

Fann Linn

punisher5112 wrote: »

You can be fined of course.

I honestly can't get over the amount that actually do it.

Is this a wind up?

Fann Linn

The high horse brigade wrote: »

Are temporary traffic lights legally binding?

Yes.

seamus

punisher5112 wrote: »

People get stopped and fines when doing so on N11 so of course you can if you are intending to use it as a bypass.

Where? Link it on Google Maps there.

punisher5112

seamus wrote: »

Where? Link it on Google Maps there.

Road after Glen of the downs and before kilmacanogue

seamus

You're going to have to be more specific, there are lots of roads between GOTD and Kilmac.

And do you know for a fact that people have been fined.

Isambard

Fann Linn wrote: »

Yes.

How can they be? I could hire a set and put them in the road outside my home to make it easier to get out of my drive, they surely can't have a legal standing.

bobbysands81

punisher5112 wrote: »

Road after Glen of the downs and before kilmacanogue

Which is exactly the road I’m referring to in the original post!

punisher5112

Failure to comply with prohibitory traffic signs 1 point or 3 in court.

punisher5112

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Which is exactly the road I’m referring to in the original post!

Well that wasn't stated I was trying to be helpful and answer your question.

There are many penalty point offences which are changing quite a lot since introduction.

Mad thing is it's only 2 points driving a wrong way on motorways......


People use the local access only roads to skip Q's

Gravelly

punisher5112 wrote: »

Failure to comply with prohibitory traffic signs 1 point or 3 in court.

Had a quick look through the traffic sign regulation book there, and local access signs aren't listed in either prohibitory or regulatory signs, so I assume they are just indicative, and no penalty points of fine is applicable for disobeying them.

seamus

punisher5112 wrote: »

Failure to comply with prohibitory traffic signs 1 point or 3 in court.

Yeah, the signs have to be legally proscribed though.

A council can't just put up a sign saying, "<something> prohibited", and the Gardai have to enforce it.

If it's not a legally defined sign, then you cannot be penalised for ignoring it.

That's not to say a Garda won't stop you and frustrate the **** out of you for it.

Again, can we get a look at this sign?

Greentree_uk

this one always got me,

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.3452426,-6.2550814,3a,75y,244.52h,91.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1srbJ3Rw4egAoS47g6Tytimg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192


yes I want to "access" Westmoreland st.

GM228

punisher5112 wrote: »

Failure to comply with prohibitory traffic signs 1 point or 3 in court.

That offence only applies to specific traffic sign violations, not just any sign, namely a prohibition on turning left, right or continuing straight on.

Local access only signs are not prescribed by law, have no legal standing and confer no obligations on road users (unless they are an accompanying plate on a prohibition sign).

GM228

Greentree_uk wrote: »

this one always got me,

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.3452426,-6.2550814,3a,75y,244.52h,91.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1srbJ3Rw4egAoS47g6Tytimg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192


yes I want to "access" Westmoreland st.

Access is specifically defined as entry or exit to/from a premises adjacent to the road. In that case the sign has statutory backing.

GM228

Elemonator wrote: »

I know in the UK they were given equal status with permanent lights in a 1994 regulation from the time of the beginning of their use until the end. I can only assume its the same here.

Failure to stop at a red light
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1964/si/294/made/en/print

There's more than one way to get you. If you proceed past a red light for example at roadworks where there are construction workers on the road you are guilty of dangerous driving.

No, you are guilty of passing a red light same as a normal set of traffic lights. Temporary traffic lights have the same legal standing as permanent ones.

Dangerous driving requires certain conditions to apply and is not applicable to ordinary traffic infractions save with a few exceptions such as excessive speeding for example.

The key important ingredient in such a charge is there must be a direct, immediate and serious risk to the public which a reasonably prudent person would recognise taking into consideration the circumstances at the time. Most minor road infractions such as passing a red light in and of themselves fall well below the required threshold for dangerous driving.

Bye the way the Regulations you linked to were revoked 21 years ago.

Isambard

Elemonator wrote: »

I know in the UK they were given equal status with permanent lights in a 1994 regulation from the time of the beginning of their use until the end. I can only assume its the same here.

Failure to stop at a red light
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1964/si/294/made/en/print

There's more than one way to get you. If you proceed past a red light for example at roadworks where there are construction workers on the road you are guilty of dangerous driving.

your last point I accept, but I can only repeat, what is the legality of lights I might hire from my local hire shop and set up on the road?

Isambard

Isambard wrote: »

your last point I accept, but I can only repeat, what is the legality of lights I might hire from my local hire shop and set up on the road?

Id say you need paper work to set them up in the first place

Isambard

BrownFinger wrote: »

Id say you need paper work to set them up in the first place

well yes I can see that, but they are used so frequently by contractors nowadays, I doubt that 99% of temporary lights have a paper chain. I guess you're saying if there's no paperwork, you can pass them, that's at odds with what several posters have said,

ewj1978

There's a "local access only" sign set up near Newgrange. Obviously to deter people from just driving up to the site. Loads of tourists bypass the visitor centre and just drive over to it.
Well they would do.. but their SAT navs now only take them to the visitor centre

mullingar

AFAIK the only legally binding local access only system is having a mandatory sign of "No entry" which must have red border, then a supplementary sign to define any exceptions such as "local access only" with a black border

Apiarist

Greentree_uk wrote: »

this one always got me,

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.3452426,-6.2550814,3a,75y,244.52h,91.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1srbJ3Rw4egAoS47g6Tytimg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192


yes I want to "access" Westmoreland st.

This one is not a "local access" sign. This is an official No Straight Ahead sign

with exceptions.

the_pen_turner

What defines local. Surely all you have to do is get the name of someone living there somewhere. If you get stopped just say your lucking for xyz .

mullingar

victor8600 wrote: »

This one is not a "local access" sign. This is an official No Straight Ahead sign

with exceptions.

But, if a supplementary sign stating "local access only" is below that "no straight ahead" sign, AFAIK its legally enforceable

GM228

Isambard wrote: »

what is the legality of lights I might hire from my local hire shop and set up on the road?

Temporary lights at roadworks or where provided for traffic management purposes have legal standing and must be obeyed (they must be authorised by the local authority, anything else does not, hiring them from your local hire shop (do they even provide such?) and placing them on the road would not count, in fact doing so is an offence.

GM228

BrownFinger wrote: »

Id say you need paper work to set them up in the first place

Anyone who carries out roadworks on a public road requires the authority or consent of the local authority, they don't however require consent or paperwork for lights per se.

GM228

mullingar wrote: »

But, if a supplementary sign stating "local access only" is below that "no straight ahead" sign, AFAIK its legally enforceable

Correct, note the poster stated "with exceptions".

Isambard

GM228 wrote: »

Temporary lights at roadworks or where provided for traffic management purposes have legal standing and must be obeyed (they must be authorised by the local authority, anything else does not, hiring them from your local hire shop (do they even provide such?) and placing them on the road would not count, in fact doing so is an offence.

I think that's just your opinion isn't it?
I'm not talking of the legality of setting them up, I'm talking of whether it's an offence to pass them if they have no paperwork. Passing an unofficial Red Light would not be an offence then? Earlier it was stated that it was an offence to do so.

http://www.azhire.ie/traffic-lights-temporary,offer/

corks finest

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Are such signs actually legally binding?

Doubt it, FFS farmers,ditch figfers,sunbird all use it,guys hope out of a white van drop them,and doubt vv much it they're legally binding as AFAIK any road blockade has to have Garda/ council official approval

loyatemu

punisher5112 wrote: »

Road after Glen of the downs and before kilmacanogue

I assume this is Quill Road, a very narrow lane that runs parallel to the N11

https://goo.gl/maps/DJutEoDauYQ2

Google says that part of it is private, I assume that's the bit nearest the Glenview, if you access it directly from the slip road on the northbount N11 I don't think that bit is private.

GM228

Isambard wrote: »

I think that's just your opinion isn't it?
I'm not talking of the legality of setting them up, I'm talking of whether it's an offence to pass them if they have no paperwork. Passing an unofficial Red Light would not be an offence then? Earlier it was stated that it was an offence to do so.

http://www.azhire.ie/traffic-lights-temporary,offer/

No it's not my opinion, that's the law.

They do not need paperwork, just consent. How consent is achieved is not prescribed and so any lack of paperwork confirming consent does not make them unlawful.

Once there are roadworks (roadworks themselves also need permission and a licence known as a "road opening licence"), any temporary traffic lights at such then are legally binding.

RacoonQueen

the_pen_turner wrote: »

What defines local. Surely all you have to do is get the name of someone living there somewhere. If you get stopped just say your lucking for xyz .

"I need to pull in to make an urgent phonecall"

bobbysands81

I pulled in and took a photo of the sign this morning.

I noticed that a little bit further down the road there were two more signs. One said “Local Access Only” and the other said “Private Road”. No other markings or “branding” were on the signs.

The high horse brigade

bobbysands81 wrote: »

I pulled in and took a photo of the sign this morning.

I noticed that a little bit further down the road there were two more signs. One said “Local Access Only” and the other said “Private Road”. No other markings or “branding” were on the signs.

Imo that just means no through road or cul de sac, no legal standing what so ever

mgbgt1978

Exactly.
Just because you wish to enter the Locality does not mean you never want to (or can) leave it again.

This sign is simply an 'Advisory'.

mullingar

No red border, therefore not compulsory.