John Delaney at the FAI Thread - (Mod Notes in OP)

lawred2

Chancer3001 wrote: »

As i already posted. It makes more sense for the FAI to invest it rather than leave it sitting idle.

Why wouldn't Dundalk have been given it to invest in whatever way they see fit?

The FAI are not entitled to invest money that is not their own.

Chancer3001

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Think you misread my post

But it’s Dundalk money so any investing would have to be discussed with them first.

This is all hypothetical though

Chancer3001

lawred2 wrote: »

Why wouldn't Dundalk have been given it to invest in whatever way they see fit?

No idea. Thats what i would have done. Cant see their logic in asking for it in increments to he honest. But that seems to be what they asked for.

mugsymugsy

So as this is all so confusing and fai are not quite sure and don't have answers let's have an independent forensic audit.

But the fai don't want to do that......

Cienciano

mugsymugsy wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/dundalk-faced-delays-after-writing-to-john-delaney-seeking-their-300000-38007872.html

So looks like John Delaney's statement on Wednesday might not be completely true and I'm shocked to say the least.

Also from that it would appear that they use the prize money as a way of managing cash flow.

Remember this all happened on Delaney's watch and whilst he was paid 360k plus rent and expenses.

When they said they wanted to be open and transparent, then proceed to answer no questions was also a lie

dundalkfc10

Chancer3001 wrote: »

No idea. Thats what i would have done. Cant see their logic in asking for it in increments to he honest. But that seems to be what they asked for.

You missed his second part message or are you just ignoring things you cant find a response too?

"The FAI are not entitled to invest money that is not their own"

dundalkfc10

From Emmet Malone last week,

The detail, though, will come as no surprise to other clubs who have participated in European competition in recent years. After their Europa League run in 2011, Shamrock Rovers were left waiting on around €500,000 for more than six months and are believed to have experienced significant difficulty in obtaining payment.

A reminder of Delaneys interview from the Scotalnd match programmes that were destroyed

Umaro

Why would Dundalk ask to be paid in installments? Doesn't make any sense to me.

amcalester

Chancer3001 wrote: »

As i already posted. It makes more sense for the FAI to invest it rather than leave it sitting idle.

The FAI have no business investing funds that they don't own.

Idbatterim

I can’t wait to see what the Gibraltar match attendance is. If even twenty percent stay away that would normally go , it just creates an untenable financial position for the fai...

dundalkfc10

Umaro wrote: »

Why would Dundalk ask to be paid in installments? Doesn't make any sense to me.

The previous owners obvs decided it was best, and nobody can deny they had the clubs best interests at heart.

If the FAI had Dundalks money, Whatever the amount and whenever it was requested, should have been issued to Dundalk ASAP

See now UEFA have made a comment, John and his mates must be ****ting themselves now

Necro

So... if I have this right as per the article..

Later on, Sinn Féin's Jonathan O'Brien pressed the FAI on the issue of how Uefa money is dispersed.

The new finance director, Alex O'Connell, said that money from Uefa does not go directly into the main FAI account - but said it goes into a 'Uefa account'.

He confirmed that Abbotstown officials would 'typically' pay clubs from their main account - the account with the overdraft facility which was the cause for concern that April. "It's our main account for paying any cash outgoings."

The FAI pay the clubs their money from their main account - yet have a huge resource of cash in a seperate UEFA account, which is likely a high interest earning one.

Is that even legal? It's not their money, are they earning interest off the large sums deposited (€7 million in Dundalk's case).

They definitely need an independent forensic audit.

Fr Tod Umptious

Idbatterim wrote: »

I can’t wait to see what the Gibraltar match attendance is. If even twenty jet won’t stay away that would normally go , it just creates an untenable financial position for the fai...

Don't really understand the post as there seems to be a typo in it.

Are you suggesting that the home game v Gibraltar attendance would indicate some sort of a boycott ?

I'd advise not to.

It's easy not to go to the home game against the group minnows and call it a boycott.

Much harder to organize a boycott of the home game v the top teams in the group or the home game of a playoff.

I wonder how many of the fans that are so against the FAI and Delaney are willing to do that

dundalkfc10

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Don't really understand the post as there seems to be a typo in it.

Are you suggesting that the home game v Gibraltar attendance would indicate some sort of a boycott ?

I'd advise not to.

It's easy not to go to the home game against the group minnows and call it a boycott.

Much harder to organize a boycott of the home game v the top teams in the group or the home game of a playoff.

I wonder how many of the fans that are so against the FAI and Delaney are willing to do that

The next game is Gibraltar!

OldMrBrennan83

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Don't really understand the post as there seems to be a typo in it.

Are you suggesting that the home game v Gibraltar attendance would indicate some sort of a boycott ?

I'd advise not to.

It's easy not to go to the home game against the group minnows and call it a boycott.

Much harder to organize a boycott of the home game v the top teams in the group or the home game of a playoff.

I wonder how many of the fans that are so against the FAI and Delaney are willing to do that

Most of them won't even know this is all going on, and would barely care if they did.

OldMrBrennan83

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

Most of them won't even know this is all going on, and would barely care if they did.

I think the tennis balls kinda gave the game away

Awesomeness

I wont go to another game while Delaney is there. It will be tough when big games come round and probably wont make a bit of difference but I cant support that farce of an organization any longer

osarusan

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

The previous owners obvs decided it was best, and nobody can deny they had the clubs best interests at heart.

If the FAI had Dundalks money, Whatever the amount and whenever it was requested, should have been issued to Dundalk ASAP

Key point here is that when Dundalk first asked for the money (300k) on March 29th, they were told it would take 2 weeks. The eventually got 150k in 3 installments over 23 days. This was before Delaney's loan, which happened on April 25th.

When Dundalk looked for the balance of the money (another 150k) on April 26th, which was just after Delaney had made the loan, they got it in 2 days.

That suggest to me that wherever UEFA money is held, the money is available at short notice (150k released in 2 days), but the money wasn't there to pay them at the time of the first request.

Idbatterim

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Don't really understand the post as there seems to be a typo in it.

Are you suggesting that the home game v Gibraltar attendance would indicate some sort of a boycott ?

I'd advise not to.

It's easy not to go to the home game against the group minnows and call it a boycott.

Much harder to organize a boycott of the home game v the top teams in the group or the home game of a playoff.

I wonder how many of the fans that are so against the FAI and Delaney are willing to do that

Just corrected my typo. Those rats will bury themselves, you won’t get them out without a war. Stop the money , which the fans control , is the only way to get them out. Ultimately the fans have total power , just need enough of them to act to make a difference. Say twenty percent of fans stay away till Delaney and the board go. Do you think everyone in the fai will accept pay cuts to keep those rats at the top on board? Not a chance ...

Idbatterim

Awesomeness wrote: »

I wont go to another game while Delaney is there. It will be tough when big games come round and probably wont make a bit of difference but I cant support that farce of an organization any longer

All it takes for evil to triumph , is for good people to do nothing. Just rip it off like a plaster. People boycott that match against Gibraltar that we have won in big enough numbers , that alone will probably throw him under the bus

Pedro K

Awesomeness wrote: »

I wont go to another game while Delaney is there. It will be tough when big games come round and probably wont make a bit of difference but I cant support that farce of an organization any longer

Do you mind me asking, is this a new position you've taken since the Oireachtas hearing, and if so, why were you content to support them up to then?

I'm not having a go or anything. Just curious as to the thought process.

Awesomeness

Pedro K wrote: »

Do you mind me asking, is this a new position you've taken since the Oireachtas hearing, and if so, why were you content to support them up to then?

I'm not having a go or anything. Just curious as to the thought process.

It is a new position since before the Georgia game. I thought about going to it all the way up until 5 that day and decided against it. I have regularly attended games over the last 15 years but I have just become so sick of it that its hard to enjoy the match day out.

Will still follow each game on tv, I am a big fan of mick and an even bigger fan of Kenny and think the mens national team could really do well in next few years after a really poor spell during which I still attended.

Cienciano

Idbatterim wrote: »

I can’t wait to see what the Gibraltar match attendance is. If even twenty percent stay away that would normally go , it just creates an untenable financial position for the fai...

Gibraltar at home is a nice one for a tennis ball protest. We should comfortably win so we can't have explayers moaning about disrupting the game.

Chancer3001

Awesomeness wrote: »

Pedro K wrote: »

Do you mind me asking, is this a new position you've taken since the Oireachtas hearing, and if so, why were you content to support them up to then?

I'm not having a go or anything. Just curious as to the thought process.

and think the mens national team could really do well in next few years after a really poor spell during which I still attended.

So you think the required plans are in place to allow the senior team to do well in the near future?

Fr Tod Umptious

Idbatterim wrote: »

Just corrected my typo. Those rats will bury themselves, you won’t get them out without a war. Stop the money , which the fans control , is the only way to get them out. Ultimately the fans have total power , just need enough of them to act to make a difference. Say twenty percent of fans stay away till Delaney and the board go. Do you think everyone in the fai will accept pay cuts to keep those rats at the top on board? Not a chance ...

A small crowd v Gibraltar can be explained away

What can't be explained away is a mass non renewal of season tickets.

Reduced spending on FAI merchandise both at games and at other times.

Reduced spending on sponsors products.


Not going to Gibraltar is easy.

Not going to an Ireland home game in Dublin during Euro 2020 is not.

dundalkfc10

Only way to go is Protests at the U-17 Competition (Thats if they survive until then)

dundalkfc10

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

A small crowd v Gibraltar can be explained away

What can't be explained away is a mass non renewal of season tickets.

Reduced spending on FAI merchandise both at games and at other times.

Reduced spending on sponsors products.


Not going to Gibraltar is easy.

Not going to an Ireland home game in Dublin during Euro 2020 is not.

Them games will be full no matter whos playing. For everyone protesting by not going, a day tripper would take his place.

expectationlost

was this peak6 demanding [Dundalk have all] its UEFA money off FAI?

major bill

expectationlost wrote: »

was this peak6 demanding its UEFA money off FAI?

I could be wrong but I don't think Peak6 were involved with Dundalk at that point.

expectationlost

Umaro wrote: »

Why would Dundalk ask to be paid in installments? Doesn't make any sense to me.

would having a load of money have financial implications