Is Dublin the murder capital of Europe?

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

Remember when Limerick was called the murder capital of Europe? I think London is currently the knife capital of Europe?

But despite road blocks, surveillance and armed Gardai patrolling the streets, there seems to be an awful lot of murder and assassinations going on up in the Pale.

It is hard to find any reporting on whether this in fact true or not. But I found this article from 2009 saying Dublin ranks 6th among European capitals for murder rate. Now this was before the Kinahin-Hutch feud, and before the issue with the Gardai under reporting homicide by 18%.

Starting to think Dublin might get top spot. Certainly for central and western Europe. Russia probably takes top spot if that is included.

AndyBoBandy

no.

D3V!L

Yeah.. sure why not.

troyzer

Ireland is 17th according to statista. Tirana is first.

Which is entirely believable, I lived in Albania for a while. It's far worse.

kneemos

troyzer wrote: »

Ireland is 17th according to statista. Tirana is first.

Which is entirely believable, I lived in Albania for a while. It's far worse.

More to do.

troyzer

kneemos wrote: »

More to do.

What?

kneemos

troyzer wrote: »

What?

Kill.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

troyzer wrote: »

Ireland is 17th according to statista. Tirana is first.

Which is entirely believable, I lived in Albania for a while. It's far worse.

That's Ireland overall though. I'm asking specifically about the Dublin area. For example, there isn't much killing going on in Limerick anymore, and rural Ireland (which makes up around half the population) has traditionally never had a trend of increasing homicides. Cork, Galway and Waterford only occasionally make the news for a murder. It seems the lions share of killing goes on in Dublin, disproportionate to its population.

It seems hard to get statistics on a city by city murder rate for Europe.

Pherekydes

Was this thread triggered by last night's shooting (outside Dublin)?

Cina

Well, look, it'd be nice to be the capital of something wouldn't it?

London is the financial capital of Europe. Milan is the fashion capital of Europe. Berlin is the party capital of Europe. Paris is the Art capital of Europe. And... Dublin, the murder capital of Europe.

Has a good ring to it.

I say we all get the knives out and get ourselves to #1!

troyzer

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

That's Ireland overall though. I'm asking specifically about the Dublin area. For example, there isn't much killing going on in Limerick anymore, and rural Ireland (which makes up around half the population) has traditionally never had a trend of increasing homicides. Cork, Galway and Waterford only occasionally make the news for a murder. It seems the lions share of killing goes on in Dublin, disproportionate to its population.

It seems hard to get statistics on a city by city murder rate for Europe.

Sorry I meant Dublin.

The statistics only include the largest cities in each country.

Effects

troyzer wrote: »

What?

DaintyDavy

Pherekydes wrote: »

Was this thread triggered by last night's shooting (outside Dublin)?

Outside Dublin by a few hundred yards.

theguzman

Things were only so bad, they surely went and wrecked everything after that.

Graniteville

Over 130 people have been murdered in London by knives alone so far this year.

Add in other murders and I reckon London is no. 1

highdef

DaintyDavy wrote: »

Outside Dublin by a few hundred yards.

But still must definitely not in Dublin City or county. You can't just make up stuff to suggest that some areas outside of Dublin should be regarded as Dublin. The border is the border.

theguzman

Graniteville wrote: »

Over 130 people have been murdered in London by knives alone so far this year.

Add in other murders and I reckon London is no. 1

London has ten times the population or greater than Dublin, would be interesting to see comparitive stats between both cities and then compare % numbers versus population figures. The whole thing will only get far worse in both places until the Death Penalty is restored and used.

Wheeliebin30

Wasn’t Dublin the top spot in europe for gangland shootings last year?


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.irishexaminer.com/ireland/ireland-near-top-of-eu-table-for-shootings-437410.html

begbysback

theguzman wrote: »

London has ten times the population or greater than Dublin, would be interesting to see comparitive stats between both cities and then compare % numbers versus population figures. The whole thing will only get far worse in both places until the Death Penalty is restored and used.

Dublin=london/10

DaintyDavy

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Wasn’t Dublin the top spot in europe for ganglabd shootings last year?

For such a small country and population we are definitly up there among the most dangerous places in Europe.

theguzman

begbysback wrote: »

Dublin=london/10

That would be a very good analogy, I would easily speculate that there is more murders on a per head basis in Dublin than in London.

henryforde80

Let the scumbags kill themselves off

Deebles McBeebles

highdef wrote: »

But still must definitely not in Dublin City or county. You can't just make up stuff to suggest that some areas outside of Dublin should be regarded as Dublin. The border is the border.

I see where you're coming from and indeed where you're from but lets be honest, Leixlip is more Dublin than Kildare. The accent certainly suggests that.

Also the victim had links to Dublin crime gangs and was from Dublin himself.

Cina

DaintyDavy wrote: »

For such a small country and population we are definitly up there among the most dangerous places in Europe.

Ah jaysus, what are you even on? Ireland is one of the safest countries on the planet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

DaintyDavy

Cina wrote: »

Ah jaysus, what are you even on? Ireland is one of the safest countries on the planet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Where are you from?

corner of hells

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

I see where you're coming from and indeed where you're from but lets be honest, Leixlip is more Dublin than Kildare. The accent certainly suggests that.

Also the victim had links to Dublin crime gangs.

Very tenous links to one of the families.

Wheeliebin30

Cina wrote: »

Ah jaysus, what are you even on? Ireland is one of the safest countries on the planet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Ireland near top of EU table for shootings

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.irishexaminer.com/ireland/ireland-near-top-of-eu-table-for-shootings-437410.html

Cina

DaintyDavy wrote: »

Where are you from?

I live in Dublin, if that's what you're trying to get at.

Cina

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Ireland near top of EU table for shootings

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.irishexaminer.com/ireland/ireland-near-top-of-eu-table-for-shootings-437410.html

That is shootings, not homicide, you can't just nitpick one aspect of what defines a countries safety. By homicide rates per capita we are nowhere near the top in Europe.

DaintyDavy

Cina wrote: »

I live in Dublin, if that's what you're trying to get at.

Well im glad you feel like its one of the safest places on the planet. For many of us it is not a very safe place at all.

Wheeliebin30

Cina wrote: »

That is shootings, not homicide, you can't just nitpick one aspect of what defines a countries safety. By homicide rates per capita we are nowhere near the top in Europe.

That’s exactly what you are doing by nitpicking homocide rates.

Cina

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

That’s exactly what you are doing by nitpicking homocide rates.

Sorry? Whut?

What else defines how safe a country is more than how many people are murdered in it?

But fine, if you want more:

10th safest to visit:
https://www.cntraveler.com/stories/2016-06-17/the-worlds-10-safest-countries-to-visit-are

17th in this survey:
https://safearound.com/danger-rankings/

Global peace index, 10th:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Peace_Index

Need anymore?

DaintyDavy

Cina wrote: »

Sorry? Whut?

What else defines how safe a country is more than how many people are murdered in it?

But fine, if you want more:

10th safest to visit:
https://www.cntraveler.com/stories/2016-06-17/the-worlds-10-safest-countries-to-visit-are

17th in this survey:
https://safearound.com/danger-rankings/

Global peace index, 10th:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Peace_Index

Need anymore?

Thread is specifically about Dublin.

theguzman

DaintyDavy wrote: »

Well im glad you feel like its one of the safest places on the planet. For many of us it is not a very safe place at all.

Part of Dublin are an absolute dive, I have travelled around the world including extremely dangerous parts of South America and I'm always most on alert in Dublin. A pinochet style cleanup is badly needed with free one-way helicopter rides out over the Irish sea for anyone associated with Drugs or Methadone in that city.

Cina

DaintyDavy wrote: »

Well im glad you feel like its one of the safest places on the planet. For many of us it is not a very safe place at all.

it doesn't really matter what I feel, every stat, measure, survey that's been done has us up there as being an incredibly safe country to live.

I think the problem is people tend to see Ireland in some sort of 'bubble'. Woe on us, our healthcare sucks, our welfare sucks, our transport sucks, it's so unsafe, there's so many scumbags etc. etc. when the reality is that if you go pretty much anywhere outside the most heavily developed countries (Norway, Switzerland, Iceland) you will pretty much find all of those issues everywhere, and in comparison to the vast majority of countries on Earth, Ireland does really well.

Don't mistake what you think is 'safe'/'unsafe' in Ireland as being an accurate measure of how safe/unsafe a country we are.

Collie D

theguzman wrote: »

That would be a very good analogy, I would easily speculate that there is more murders on a per head basis in Dublin than in London.

Why would you speculate when the stats are out there to be looked up? I don't know the answer to the OP but my guess is that it's not.

Go look up the numbers.

I'll start you off:

Dublin's population is almost 1.5 million
London's is almost 9 million

So Dublin ~ London/6

corner of hells

DaintyDavy wrote: »

Thread is specifically about Dublin.

But how would we draw comparisons to other cities if we can only talk about Dubln ?

Cina

DaintyDavy wrote: »

Thread is specifically about Dublin.

Then don't make posts about the whole country?

DaintyDavy wrote: »

For such a small country and population we are definitly up there among the most dangerous places in Europe.

DaintyDavy

theguzman wrote: »

Part of Dublin are an absolute dive, I have travelled around the world including extremely dangerous parts of South America and I'm always most on alert in Dublin. A pinochet style cleanup is badly needed with free one-way helicopter rides out over the Irish sea for anyone associated with Drugs or Methadone in that city.

If you live/work in certain areas in Dublin it would be possible to believe its a very safe place. I commute from a rough northside area to work in D1.

Very different from living in Dundrum and communting to Ballsbridge.

Collie D

theguzman wrote: »

Part of Dublin are an absolute dive, I have travelled around the world including extremely dangerous parts of South America and I'm always most on alert in Dublin. A pinochet style cleanup is badly needed with free one-way helicopter rides out over the Irish sea for anyone associated with Drugs or Methadone in that city.

Anyone associated with methadone?!

****ing hell! I better stock up on the cold relief products and 3 for 2 Xmas gifts before my local chemist is executed.

corner of hells

theguzman wrote: »

Part of Dublin are an absolute dive, I have travelled around the world including extremely dangerous parts of South America and I'm always most on alert in Dublin. A pinochet style cleanup is badly needed with free one-way helicopter rides out over the Irish sea for anyone associated with Drugs or Methadone in that city.

A Pinochet style clean up and reintroduction of the death penalty are your suggestions so far .

Anything else ?

DaintyDavy

corner of hells wrote: »

But how would we draw comparisons to other cities if we can only talk about Dubln ?

Because Dublin is also a city???

VinLieger

DaintyDavy wrote: »

Thread is specifically about Dublin.

And yet....

DaintyDavy wrote: »

For such a small country and population we are definitly up there among the most dangerous places in Europe.

Also if you'd actually been to the far larger and more dangerous areas of other european capital and even 2nd cities you would know full well how much of a garbage factually absent statement that is

Franz Von Peppercorn

Collie D wrote: »

Why would you speculate when the stats are out there to be looked up? I don't know the answer to the OP but my guess is that it's not.

Go look up the numbers.

I'll start you off:

Dublin's population is almost 1.5 million
London's is almost 9 million

So Dublin ~ London/6

So whats that got to do with a per head basis?

I think Dublin is in the top ten for sure.

corner of hells

DaintyDavy wrote: »

Because Dublin is also a city???

Yeah , but ...

Cina

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

So whats that got to do with a per head basis?

I think Dublin is in the top ten for sure.

You think or you know? Are there stats available to back you up?

theguzman

corner of hells wrote: »

A Pinochet style clean up and reintroduction of the death penalty are your suggestions so far .

Anything else ?

I would arm the Gardai, increase their flat rate wages to €1,000 per week after tax. I would introduce a special armed Transport police. I would build new prisons, I would jail far more people and if you have three previous convictions then your going away for ten years. Life would mean life and I would use the Death Sentence also. Liberal judges and SJW do-gooders would be no longer allowed to dictate to the law-abiding people. All crime should be punished properly and hire many more gardai. I would call it a total war on Scum. I would end all free legal aid and get rod of half the parasite solicitors.

Around the world the trend is for people who deliver on these promises, Duterte in the Philippines massacred Thousands in his war on Drugs to clean up the country and end corruption. Bolsanaro in Brazil has promised to slaughter the criminals in the favelas from Rio to Salvador. Trump has backed the US police heavily and is stacking the US Supreme court in his favour. In Hungary, Poland and Italy similar toughmen have also gotten into power on common sense crack downs on crime and terror. In Dubai and Saudi Arabia despite there disgusting treatment of women they run a tight ship in regards law and order and if you step out of line your down to chop chop square in Riyadh and in Dubai you will be deported for Drunk and Disorderly never mind more offensive crimes.

Berserker

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

I see where you're coming from and indeed where you're from but lets be honest, Leixlip is more Dublin than Kildare. The accent certainly suggests that.

Also the victim had links to Dublin crime gangs and was from Dublin himself.

That part of Kildare, i.e. Leixlip and even some of the newer parts of Maynooth are inhabited by Dubs. I know of one estate in Maynooth where there are families with strong links to this feud.

corner of hells wrote: »

A Pinochet style clean up and reintroduction of the death penalty are your suggestions so far .

Anything else ?

Guns, let the general population have guns. What could possibly go wrong.

RobbieTheRobber

DaintyDavy wrote: »

If you live/work in certain areas in Dublin it would be possible to believe its a very safe place. I commute from a rough northside area to work in D1.

Very different from living in Dundrum and communting to Ballsbridge.

Im not sure what the relevance of you passing through a "rough northside area" and dublin being unsafe is.

DaintyDavy

VinLieger wrote: »

And yet....




Also if you'd actually been to the far larger and more dangerous areas of other european capital and even 2nd cities you would know full well how much of a garbage factually absent statement that is

I would expect more crime in a larger city, that goes without saying. So your point is larger cities are more dangerous?

Cina

theguzman wrote: »

I would arm the Gardai, increase their flat rate wages to €1,000 per week after tax. I would introduce a special armed Transport police. I would build new prisons, I would jail far more people and if you have three previous convictions then your going away for ten years. Life would mean life and I would use the Death Sentence also. Liberal judges and SJW do-gooders would be no longer allowed to dictate to the law-abiding people. All crime should be punished properly and hire many more gardai. I would call it a total war on Scum.

Why don't you move to an American city and see how that works out?

Somewhere like Detroit, Baltimore maybe?

Lovely places, I hear.