Teachers in Ireland too white and too irish?

mammajamma

"Recent research has found that while Ireland’s school student population is now highly diverse, teachers here continue to be overwhelmingly 'white Irish' and middle class."

"This initiative hopes to help change that profile."

As reported yesterday by RTE on the Marino Institute https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2018/1114/1010753-immigrant-teachers/

So just like the housing situation being a disaster, yet the government planning on a further million people in their 2040 "vision", we also have a seriously bad situation for teachers in the country, so lets throw fuel on the fire! Makes sense in down-is-up land.

I know several teachers struggling for years now to get a stable job, and then you have these genius ideas as above to "help" the problem.

What kind of joke is this? The inference is that a non-European ("white", never mind just irish) should be able to come here, and not only that, irish teachers should "make room" for non-European teachers to teach their children too.

Why don't irish people just leave the country all together, sure we're basically just getting in the way of "progress". The various entities, loud mouths, useful idiots and even government have a lot to answer for, this environment that is being artificially created is downright toxic for irish people.

Or maybe some people here agree that irish teachers are too white and too irish for our "own" good?

EDIT: My quote from RTE states "white and Irish", but the actual quote should also include "female". Now isn't that weird?! That RTE would purposefully leave out one element? Golly gosh!

EDIT 2:
Find below an exemplar of the mindset that wants this to happen on a much greater scale. Read this post from elsewhere in the thread and weep!

"If we open up closed industries and roles to a larger labour force, we can get better people. Otherwise, these industries grow old and stale, with inertia kicking in.

Do you think the Gardai and the Public Sector could not be improved?
These roles should reflect the community they police, educate and administer.

As to your last point, are you afraid of competition?"

Youre not good enough, irish people, sorry! We're running a factory now, its not a home anymore!

rtgdfd

What's wrong with being White and Irish?.

riffmongous

Didn't we have this thread already a few weeks ago?

Wabbit Ears

If Johnny splits the coke 5 ways, how much do you sell each baggie for?

DEFTLEFTHAND

rtgdfd wrote: »

What's wrong with being White and Irish?.

I could never understand why everyone wants to live with the whites if they hate them and their countries so much.

mammajamma

rtgdfd wrote: »

What's wrong with being White and Irish?.

Its not part of the "initiative".

For anyone interested in signing up, do so here

https://www.mie.ie/en/Research/Migrant_Teacher_Project/

Just emphasise how non-white and non-irish you are.

PlaneSpeeking

rtgdfd wrote: »

What's wrong with being White and Irish?.

Apparently we're evil.

I'm glad I'm a woman, you get a couple of brownie points more.

Bob Harris

So in a class of 30 kids where 25 will be Irish, 2 Polish, 1 Latvian, 1 Nigerian and 1 traveller,
what nationality should the teacher be?

mammajamma

Wabbit Ears wrote: »

If Johnny splits the coke 5 ways, how much do you sell each baggie for?

Im sorry, I couldn't understand your math question because you're far too white and irish. Just cant absorb information because of the colour of your skin and ethnicity.

iamwhoiam

How can we be too Irish ?

mammajamma

riffmongous wrote: »

Didn't we have this thread already a few weeks ago?

I don't know, but its being reported from RTE today/last night.

mammajamma

Its not just the insult for being white and irish, its also the employment situation for teachers. Its abysmal, so this is like a double whammy.

You might even put a tinfoil hat on your head and guess that they are...connected!

PlaneSpeeking

Bob Harris wrote: »

So in a class of 30 kids where 25 will be Irish, 2 Polish, 1 Latvian and 1 Nigerian,
what nationality should the teacher be?

Gender fluid Muslim, obvs.

jimgoose

rtgdfd wrote: »

What's wrong with being White and Irish?.

Nothing, as far as I can make out - we just need to tone it down a bit. Less GAA jerseys and "Jaysis the weather is shockin' ta Christ altogther so it is so it is!!" and more in the way of traditional Watusi printed cloth and reciting the Gayatri Mantra instead of "Bong-Bong-Bong... " at 6pm.

CinemaGuy45

mammajamma wrote: »

"Recent research has found that while Ireland’s school student population is now highly diverse, teachers here continue to be overwhelmingly 'white Irish' and middle class."

"This initiative hopes to help change that profile."

As reported yesterday by RTE on the Marino Institute https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2018/1114/1010753-immigrant-teachers/

So just like the housing situation is a disaster, yet the government planning on a further million people in their 2040 "vision", we also have a seriously bad situation for teachers in the country, so let's throw fuel on the fire! Makes sense in the down-is-up land.

I know several teachers struggling for years now to get a stable job, and then you have these genius ideas as above to "help" the problem.

What kind of joke is this? The inference is that a non-European ("white", never mind just Irish) should be able to come here, and not only that, Irish teachers should "make room" for non-European teachers to teach their children too.

Why don't Irish people just leave the country altogether, sure we're basically just getting in the way of "progress"? The various entities, loudmouths, useful idiots and even government have a lot to answer for, this environment that is being artificially created is downright toxic for Irish people.

Or maybe some people here agree that Irish teachers are too white and too Irish for our "own" good?

Look you're on the wrong forum and while I agree with you mostly here is what is going to happen in this thread.

Prepare for 3 or 4 leftwing trolls to start calling you a big racist and asking you for links and sources.
Some people will back you up and get angry with the trolls and go too far.

A load of people will be banned from posting on this thread and the people that are left will just drift away and the thread will sink off the board.

Let me again stress that I mostly agree with you but getting into this subject here is not worth a ban and I find boards.ie useful for many other things.

Just a bit of friendly advice.:)

MonkeyTennis

Thats not what is says at all though. Its a training course to help non Irish people who are already here and hold teaching qualifications

wexie

riffmongous wrote: »

Didn't we have this thread already a few weeks ago?

For some people the outrage over there being non white, non irish people in the country (that want to work) just never ends.

Must be hard work

OP left one out. White, Irish and female, but it is not cool to mention

PlaneSpeeking

Deleted User wrote: »

OP left one out. White, Irish and female, but it is not cool to mention

Ah come on - I'm okay!!!!!

Samuel Vimes

mammajamma wrote: »

"Recent research has found that while Ireland’s school student population is now highly diverse, teachers here continue to be overwhelmingly 'white Irish' and middle class."

"This initiative hopes to help change that profile."

As reported yesterday by RTE on the Marino Institute https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2018/1114/1010753-immigrant-teachers/

So just like the housing situation being a disaster, yet the government planning on a further million people in their 2040 "vision", we also have a seriously bad situation for teachers in the country, so lets throw fuel on the fire! Makes sense in down-is-up land.

I know several teachers struggling for years now to get a stable job, and then you have these genius ideas as above to "help" the problem.

What kind of joke is this? The inference is that a non-European ("white", never mind just irish) should be able to come here, and not only that, irish teachers should "make room" for non-European teachers to teach their children too.

Why don't irish people just leave the country all together, sure we're basically just getting in the way of "progress". The various entities, loud mouths, useful idiots and even government have a lot to answer for, this environment that is being artificially created is downright toxic for irish people.

Or maybe some people here agree that irish teachers are too white and too irish for our "own" good?

Here we go again
Another anti immigration rant

Terrlock

Are they just inventing non issues - peddling them as issues in the media - then making life worse for everyone.

Rather then actually fixing our real issues - like Healthcare, Housing, Homelessness.. etc.

El_Duderino 09

Bob Harris wrote: »

So in a class of 30 kids where 25 will be Irish, 2 Polish, 1 Latvian and 1 Nigerian,
what nationality should the teacher be?

Where did the other child go? That’s what I’d be wondering.

For Forks Sake

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Where did the other child go? That’s what I’d be wondering.

'travelling'

jimgoose

For Forks Sake wrote: »

'travelling'

Oh now you've done it...

CinemaGuy45

Samuel Vimes wrote: »

Here we go again
Another anti-immigration rant

MFPM

mammajamma wrote: »

"Recent research has found that while Ireland’s school student population is now highly diverse, teachers here continue to be overwhelmingly 'white Irish' and middle class."

"This initiative hopes to help change that profile."

As reported yesterday by RTE on the Marino Institute https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2018/1114/1010753-immigrant-teachers/

So just like the housing situation being a disaster, yet the government planning on a further million people in their 2040 "vision", we also have a seriously bad situation for teachers in the country, so lets throw fuel on the fire! Makes sense in down-is-up land.

I know several teachers struggling for years now to get a stable job, and then you have these genius ideas as above to "help" the problem.

What kind of joke is this? The inference is that a non-European ("white", never mind just irish) should be able to come here, and not only that, irish teachers should "make room" for non-European teachers to teach their children too.

Why don't irish people just leave the country all together, sure we're basically just getting in the way of "progress". The various entities, loud mouths, useful idiots and even government have a lot to answer for, this environment that is being artificially created is downright toxic for irish people.

Or maybe some people here agree that irish teachers are too white and too irish for our "own" good?

Another day, another pile of anti migrant nonsense from the self professed anti immigrant poster.

Just for accuracy the initiative is simple, straight forward and welcome...

A new programme aimed at helping immigrant teachers find work in Irish schools opens to applicants today.

The course, at Dublin’s Marino Institute of Education, aims to provide immigrants who are qualified teachers, but not working as such, with the knowledge, skills, and confidence to enable them to find employment here.

For anyone to object to this is utterly absurd.

mammajamma

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Look you're on the wrong forum and while I totally agree with you here is what is going to happen in this thread.

Prepare for 3 or 4 leftwing trolls to start calling you a big racist and asking you for links and sources.
Some people will back you up and get angry with the trolls and go too far.

A load of people will be banned from posting on this thread and the people that are left will just drift away and the thread will sink off the board.

Let me again stress that I 100% agree with you but getting into this subject here is not worth a ban and I find boards.ie useful for many other things.

Just a bit of friendly advice.:)

Yeah I appreciate that, but these lunatics are only getting away with these agendas because people are either (purposefully) disenfranchised, afraid to say anything, or both.

Its the silence that kills us. So even if a couple more people read this post, its better than yet another agenda-laced initiative slipping under the radar.

I'll stand my position in good faith against any argument that doesn't equate "don't mention this/don't talk about this/be quiet".

For Forks Sake

jimgoose wrote: »

Oh now you've done it...

mammajamma

MonkeyTennis wrote: »

Thats not what is says at all though. Its a training course to help non Irish people who are already here and hold teaching qualifications

I have quoted in the opening post. The inference is crystal clear.

MFPM

Samuel Vimes wrote: »

Here we go again
Another anti immigration rant

She's not subtle is she, the extrapolation by her from the report leaves no doubt about her motivation, talk about exaggeration.

professore

Definitely a strong case for non nationals to teach languages. And as many on here will testify I am far from a loony leftist.

mammajamma

Samuel Vimes wrote: »

Here we go again
Another anti immigration rant

Here we go again
Another "don't talk about awkward stuff" post

MFPM

professore wrote: »

Definitely a strong case for non nationals to teach languages. And as many on here will testify I am far from a loony leftist.

Foreign National or Non Irish National.

mammajamma

mammajamma wrote: »

I have quoted in the opening post. The inference is crystal clear.

What is the inference

bodhrandude

riffmongous wrote: »

Didn't we have this thread already a few weeks ago?

Yep your right, c'mon now move along your thread is not with it anymore.

CinemaGuy45

mammajamma wrote: »

Here we go again
Another "don't talk about awkward stuff" post

mammajamma

professore wrote: »

Definitely a strong case for non nationals to teach languages. And as many on here will testify I am far from a loony leftist.

But what about irish people teaching foreign languages?

I know we don't have a great track record as it stands, but we're surely just giving up 100% if we allow others to do the job. It would make the situation worse.

It always seems to be the same with these initiatives and plans and agendas, quite simply a downward spiral that puts us at ever-increasing disadvantage, forcing a growing reliance on outside "help", which in turn puts us at a greater disadvantage and on and on.

Someone has to intervene in this non-logic at some point.

mammajamma

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Perfect. The only thing missing is the sinking ship the monkeys should be on. Its not only ignorance, its ignorance in the face of looming problems.

mammajamma

bubblypop wrote: »

What is the inference

What I stated in the opening post.

MFPM

mammajamma wrote: »

But what about irish people teaching foreign languages?

I know we don't have a great track record as it stands, but we're surely just giving up 100% if we allow others to do the job. It would make the situation worse.

It always seems to be the same with these initiatives and plans and agendas, quite simply a downward spiral that puts us at ever-increasing disadvantage, forcing a growing reliance on outside "help", which in turn puts us at a greater disadvantage and on and on.

Someone has to intervene in this non-logic at some point.

Have you written to Google and FB and told them to stop importing all those tech workers, outrageous behaviour by them.

Have you written to the Australian, US, Canadian gov and demanded they return all the Irish migrants over there robbing their jobs?

FishOnABike

"Recent research has found that while Ireland’s school student population is now highly diverse, teachers here continue to be overwhelmingly 'white Irish' and middle class and female ."

FTFY - this is what happens with agenda driven research (isn't it all agenda driven - whoever pays the piper calls the tune).

A teaching career lasts approximately forty years. Up to relatively recently Ireland's population was relatively homogeneous.

Given the time to train, qualify and secure a full time permanent post I would expect there to be a considerable time lag between a change in the composition of the general population and a corresponding change being reflected in the composition of the teaching population.

With the disimprovement terms and conditions for newly qualified teachers acting as a disincentive for anyone to enter the profession I would expect that time lag to be increased further.

I would want the best to teach our children, not the best box tickers.

It may be the curmudgeonly cynic in me but "This project is supported by the Office of Promotion Of Migrant Integration under the National Funding Programme." - as with a lot of initiatives it looks like a case of follow the (grant) money.

If we want to attract more (and better) people to teaching then improve the conditions to make it a more attractive career choice.

MFPM

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Look you want a bit of honesty I will be honest with you.
These threads always end with a load of infractions and bans and I don't want either.

Many other people will be feeling the same but will be too chicken to admit it.

A better place to discuss stuff of this nature is political Irish Google it.

Yes, she'd fit right in on that cesspit of hate.

mammajamma

FishOnABike wrote: »

"Recent research has found that while Ireland’s school student population is now highly diverse, teachers here continue to be overwhelmingly 'white Irish' and middle class and female ."

FTFY - this is what happens with agenda driven research (isn't it all agenda driven - whoever pays the piper calls the tune).

A teaching career lasts approximately forty years. Up to relatively recently Ireland's population was relatively homogeneous.

Given the time to train, qualify and secure a full time permanent post I would expect there to be a considerable time lag between a change in the composition of the general population and a corresponding change being reflected in the composition of the teaching population.

With the disimprovement terms and conditions for newly qualified teachers acting as a disincentive for anyone to enter the profession I would expect that time lag to be increased further.

I would want the best to teach our children, not the best box tickers.

It may be the curmudgeonly cynic in me but "This project is supported by the Office of Promotion Of Migrant Integration under the National Funding Programme." - as with a lot of initiatives it looks like a case of follow the (grant) money.

If we want to attract more (and better) people to teaching then improve the conditions to make it a more attractive career choice.

Absolutely no doubt its tied to money, none whatsoever. Just another place looking to grab a grant.

Interestingly, perhaps, the direct quote from RTE (the one I quoted) left out the "female" part. Hm! Why would they do that?

Amirani

Need to get Mary Mitchell O'Connor on the case, she can introduce a number of Non-White Only teaching posts to address the imbalance.

mammajamma

Deleted User wrote: »

OP left one out. White, Irish and female, but it is not cool to mention

I didn't leave it out on purpose, I quoted the RTE article. They are the ones who left it out. Interesting.

mammajamma

Amirani wrote: »

Need to get Mary Mitchell O'Connor on the case, she can introduce a number of Non-White Only teaching posts to address the imbalance.

You joke about it now, but remember that point down the line. I'd put money on it.

CinemaGuy45

riffmongous wrote: »

Didn't we have this thread already a few weeks ago?

Yes but in fairness how many traveller and dole threads have we had at the same time?:D

:P



I think we need a basher bashing thread.:D

FishOnABike

professore wrote: »

Definitely a strong case for non nationals to teach languages. And as many on here will testify I am far from a loony leftist.

MFPM wrote: »

Foreign National or Non Irish National.

True, apart from the small number of people like
Mehran Karimi Nasseri who inspired the 2004 film "The Terminal" everyone is a national of somewhere.

Having a native speaker could be an advantage though I would still like to see them having a degree in the language or a recognised third level teaching qualification and a T#FL qualification in the language.

A native speaker can be too familiar with the colloquialisms of a language and not with the formal and technical aspects of a language which they know "because that's just the way it is".

tonycascarino

Amirani wrote: »

Need to get Mary Mitchell O'Connor on the case, she can introduce a number of Non-White Only teaching posts to address the imbalance.

The way things are going I wouldn't be one bit surprised in the near future that an X amount of teachers will have to be African, an X amount Eastern European, an X amount gay, an x amount transsexual, an x amount gender fluid, an x amount with green eyes because too many have blue, an x amount Islamic etc. When loonies take over and are given a platform this is what you will get.

Hector Savage

Poisonous Identity politics rears it's head again.

FishOnABike

tonycascarino wrote: »

The way things are going I wouldn't be one bit surprised in the near future that an X amount of teachers will have to be African, an X amount Eastern European, an X amount gay, an x amount transsexual, an x amount gender fluid, an x amount with green eyes because too many have blue, an x amount Islamic etc. When loonies take over and are given a platform this is what you will get.

Can I self identify as an Eastern European, African,gay transexual, gender fluid, greeny blue eyed moslem to tick the most boxes and maximise my career opportunities ? And if not who can I sue for discrimination and infringing my rights?