Construction of social houses halted due to anti social behaviour

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2018/1113/1010531-st-cuthberts-park-clondalkin/


Maybe give the feral youths families a 3 strike ultimatum and their out (of homes or dole cut).

We might be surprised at how responsible the parenting suddenly becomes.

Fann Linn

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2018/1113/1010531-st-cuthberts-park-clondalkin/


Maybe give the feral youths families a 3 strike ultimatum and their out (of homes or dole cut).

We might be surprised at how responsible the parenting suddenly becomes.

And maybe the Gardai could do their jobs also.

Kermit.de.frog

Aye but we don't have a police force in the country unfortunately.

wexie

The social housing development at St Cuthbert’s is part of a wider plan to address some of the issues in the area including the installation of CCTV and facilities for Clondalkin Celtic soccer club.

However, the roll-out of the CCTV system has been delayed.

.....You'd think perhaps someone dealing with is might figure that making the CCTV system a priority could help no?

Thatnastyboy

wexie wrote: »

.....You'd think perhaps someone dealing with is might figure that making the CCTV system a priority target could help no?

FYP

stevek93

The antisocial behaviour in this country is seriously getting out of hand.

SSr0

I wonder do the idiots know that the houses are most likely being built for them and their families.

Kermit.de.frog

wexie wrote: »

.....You'd think perhaps someone dealing with is might figure that making the CCTV system a priority could help no?

The problem is not that - it is that the parents who would rather drag up their kids don't give a sh!t.

Can't target the kids so target the parents.

Sorted lightning fast.

We are too soft on this in this country.

duffman13

Fann Linn wrote: »

And maybe the Gardai could do their jobs also.

To be honest the guards really haven't much of a hope here, they've ran some big operations in that park. It is actually like something out of the wire, there is so many entrances and exits and drugs are being dealt by teenagers on scramblers. They lift a bunch of them and hours later there are more there dealing.

Drug users from all over Dublin are now going there and it's a gold mine for the scum.

Edit: Just read that actual article, that's head in the sand stuff labelling it as anti social behaviour, it's worse than that. There is a massive drug dealing ring in the park which is where the intimidation is coming from IMO.

Hurrache

If you had entitled this thread "Gangs from Clondaklin at it again" you'd have got a lot more traffic OP. It's a good way to round those up that are good to put on your ignore list.

pxdf9i5cmoavkz

Fann Linn wrote: »

And maybe the Gardai could do their jobs also.

Funny how it's always the states fault for the behaviour of people. Is taking responsibility for ones actions something unheard of in Ireland?

Sweet.Science

The article doesnt go into much detail but workers were hospitalized due to being assaulted.

Its not only youths causing trouble it is a serious crime gang in the area that nearly killed a security worker.

No chance these houses are getting built now the plug will be pulled.

Its awful that the people stopping these homes are probably/certainly living in social houses themselves. Plus all the workers out of work before xmas

wexie

Joel Stale Elbow wrote: »

Funny how it's always the states fault for the behaviour of people. Is taking responsibility for ones actions something unheard of in Ireland?

don't be daft. that's only for regular tax paying citizens (and I don't include politicians in that)

(politics, from the latin word for many : poly and tics, blood sucking creatures)

Captain Obvious

Fann Linn wrote: »

And maybe the Gardai could do their jobs also.

They were. They had two operations targeting anti social behaviour in that district. They were both cancelled due to lack of manpower and cancellation of overtime.

wexie

Captain Obvious wrote: »

They were. They had two operations targeting anti social behaviour in that district. They were both cancelled due to lack of manpower and cancellation of overtime.

Would be curious to see how the cost of the garda overtime stacks up against the cost of the antisocial behaviour and the cost of having a project that size halted....

Omackeral

White animals

Fann Linn

Joel Stale Elbow wrote: »

Funny how it's always the states fault for the behaviour of people. Is taking responsibility for ones actions something unheard of in Ireland?

Who said its the states fault? Its obvious the lowlifes or their parents won't take responsibility, are you that naive to think they will?

They never do, hence my call for the gardai to get involved.

Captain Obvious

wexie wrote: »

Would be curious to see how the cost of the garda overtime stacks up against the cost of the antisocial behaviour and the cost of having a project that size halted....

This is what happened in nearby Cherry Orchard when new houses were being built.

A CONSTRUCTION WORKER in Dublin has been taken to hospital after a man set a digger on fire while the worker was operating the vehicle.

Guy:Incognito

Fann Linn wrote: »

And maybe the Gardai could do their jobs also.

It's a wider there's crime in the world at all. Have you thought about rocking up at some policing conferences and telling them to just do their jobs?

Wheeliebin30

I blame Eoghan Murphy. Sure why not?

It’s his fault these kids are out of control.

We need to build free houses for these kids and their offspring.

Shame shame shame!!

Leo out!

Murphy out!

These gangs need free houses now!

Oh wait they were probably been built for jacinta and one of these lads who terrorised the workers.

People talk about the inequality in this country.

The only inequality is low life’s getting free houses who contribute nothing versus hard working people who could only dream of actually getting one of these houses and paying for it.

What a country.

Sweet.Science

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

I blame Eoghan Murphy. Sure why not?

It’s his fault these kids are out of control.

We need to build free houses for these kids and their offspring.

Shame shame shame!!

Leo out!

Murphy out!

These gangs need free houses now!

Oh wait they were probably been built for jacinta and one of these lads who terrorised the workers.

People talk about the inequality in this country.

The only inequality is low life’s getting free houses who contribute nothing versus hard working people who could only dream of actually getting one of these houses and paying for it.

What a country.

The issue is . Imagine these people if they didn't get the dole and weren't housed.

Thatnastyboy

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

I blame Eoghan Murphy. Sure why not?

It’s his fault these kids are out of control.

We need to build free houses for these kids and their offspring.

Shame shame shame!!

Leo out!

Murphy out!

These gangs need free houses now!

Oh wait they were probably been built for jacinta and one of these lads who terrorised the workers.

People talk about the inequality in this country.

The only inequality is low life’s getting free houses who contribute nothing versus hard working people who could only dream of actually getting one of these houses and paying for it.

What a country.

Will you go away outta that.


Dees peepil are been robbed by dis gub'rmint, robbed so dey are, ROBBED

Kermit.de.frog

Sweet.Science wrote: »

The issue is . Imagine these people if they didn't get the dole and weren't housed.

So it's a ransom?

Wheeliebin30

Sweet.Science wrote: »

The issue is . Imagine these people if they didn't get the dole and weren't housed.

Do you think I care?

We’re too soft, a night on the streets might wake them up to how lucky they are.

Constantly throwing money at them clearly isn’t working.

They just laugh at us.

Richard Hillman

Why would anyone even want to move into the homes? They'll probably get rejected by regular folk and the parents of the scrotes will get their forever homes. A great reward.

Sweet.Science

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Why would anyone even want to move into the homes? They'll probably get rejected by regular folk and the parents of the scrotes will get their forever homes. A great reward.

The houses aren't for working folk.

Hurrache

Omackeral wrote: »

White animals

Clondalkin is going to reap it's rewards for letting these people in.

BeerWolf

Wouldn't have any qualms with those construction men beating up those little ****s.

Delinquents are really pushing the envelope with their "untouchable" status simply because they're kids and abuse it so...

Sweet.Science

BeerWolf wrote: »

Wouldn't have any qualms with those construction men beating up those little ****s.

Delinquents are really pushing the envelope with their "untouchable" status simply because they're kids and abuse it so...

Ah yes easy to say behind a keyboard. You aren't just dealing with little sh!ts . Its a serious criminal gang behind it

DanMurphy

In whose interests is it that these houses aren't built / finished ?

Or maybe I'm just being overly suspicious.

Hector Savage

This is what happens when you grant benefit per child.
Spain doesn't have this benefit system - strangely enough you don't have roaming gangs of knuckle dragging ferral sub human scum terrorizing the streets either.

Fann Linn

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

It's a wider there's crime in the world at all. Have you thought about rocking up at some policing conferences and telling them to just do their jobs?

I suppose you're right. Perhaps its better that a multi million development is stopped because of other priorities Gardai have to attend.

end of the road

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2018/1113/1010531-st-cuthberts-park-clondalkin/


Maybe give the feral youths families a 3 strike ultimatum and their out (of homes or dole cut).

We might be surprised at how responsible the parenting suddenly becomes.

i personally wouldn't, as i believe it's highly likely it would remain as is

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The problem is not that - it is that the parents who would rather drag up their kids don't give a sh!t.

Can't target the kids so target the parents.

Sorted lightning fast.

We are too soft on this in this country.

targeting the parents = sorted lightening fast on what basis? are there any countries which have successfully implemented this idea and in turn saw an over-all reduction in such problems?

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

So it's a ransom?

no, it's being realistic and taking a cost v benefit stance in relation to wellfare v the costs of non-wellfare.

end of the road

stevek93 wrote: »

The antisocial behaviour in this country is seriously getting out of hand.

is it really though, or are we simply hearing about it more due to the growth in things like social media where anything and everything can and will be reported on? either way it needs to be dealt with regardless of size yet government refuse to do it, whether it be funding the police or changing the sentences handed down.

Joel Stale Elbow wrote: »

Funny how it's always the states fault for the behaviour of people. Is taking responsibility for ones actions something unheard of in Ireland?

it's not no . however, taking responsibility for one's actions does not insure those charged with enforcing the rules in relation to behaviours deamed wrong by the law and society, have the ability and resources needed to do so. only the state can insure that via insuring it, and the people by electing people who are willing to do it. so yes, ultimately the state are responsible for allowing the problem of anti-social behaviour to be lightly dealt with.

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Do you think I care?

We’re too soft, a night on the streets might wake them up to how lucky they are.

Constantly throwing money at them clearly isn’t working.

They just laugh at us.

a night on the streets is unlikely to wake them up to anything, as they will find a way around everything and will not be out of pocket or uncumfortable. we are soft, but only in relation to the sentences handed down. we aren't actually throwing money at them but giving them basic benefits to survive. however, the unfortunate reality is that with people who engage in anti-social behaviour, the chances are that whether we do or don't give them benefits is unlikely to make any difference as to whether they will engage in that behaviour or worse, the question is how much more they would engage in if we didn't give them basic funding.

BarryD2

wexie wrote: »

.....You'd think perhaps someone dealing with is might figure that making the CCTV system a priority could help no?

How will a CCTV system improve matters? Even if offenders can be identified, what are the consequences with a revolving door system for repeat offenders?

Where are all the homeless campaigning spokespeople now? Are they up there sorting things out? And if not, why not?

SEPT 23 1989

Pay the gang to protect the site

Everybody's happy

Captain Obvious

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Pay the gang to protect the site

Everybody's happy

That's exactly what will happen.

biko

Nuke Dublin from orbit
We'll move a fresh bunch of culchies in and start afresh

Sweet.Science

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Pay the gang to protect the site

Everybody's happy

Was done all over Dublin in the 70's and 80's when corpo estates were built

Crazyivan 1979

I used to live in a estate off this park, was ten years there. Couldnt wait to get out in the end. park was full of dog s**t, lads riding scramblers at speed, look at them sideways you'd get threats, bins constantly set on fire, joyriders just doing loops of the surrounding roads then burning out the cars.

I rang the gards on several occasions, just said they werent sending anyone.

Graces7

Sweet.Science wrote: »

The issue is . Imagine these people if they didn't get the dole and weren't housed.

Ouch. the stuff of nightmares...

Graces7

Small question. What is the army doing please?

A strong force trained to suppress riots?

SEPT 23 1989

Graces7 wrote: »

Small question. What is the army doing please?

A strong force trained to suppress riots?

shooting them only makes them mad

Sweet.Science

Graces7 wrote: »

Small question. What is the army doing please?

A strong force trained to suppress riots?

Having to get the Army in so houses can be built during a housing crisis .

This country

Effects

BeerWolf wrote: »

Wouldn't have any qualms with those construction men beating up those little ****s.

You might beat up one person, you won't beat 4 or 5.

listermint

Hector Savage wrote: »

This is what happens when you grant benefit per child.
Spain doesn't have this benefit system - strangely enough you don't have roaming gangs of knuckle dragging ferral sub human scum terrorizing the streets either.

Sorry,

Wait


Are you saying Spain doesnt have Youth Crime ?

Is this a serious post?

Wanderer78

Kermit.de.frog wrote:

We might be surprised at how responsible the parenting suddenly becomes.

Really?

no.8

Send in...the Clowns (confusion tactics may work well on the feral humans).

In all seriousness though, this is a major turning point where a show of force on behalf of the state is required. It can decide how the area and other similar areas will be in 30 years time. This cannot be tolerated, especially with a housing crisis.

The judicial system needs serious overhaul. Yes it costs money to house these idiots in prison, but what is the cost to the public if this carry on is allowed. We (the good citizens) are trying each and every day to create a great country, for individuals, for families. This is the poison that can only try prevent that, the poison that has been ignored on the large scale for years. Call a spade a spade, get the feckin finger out and clean up that sheiza-hole and don't give the accused anything.

Mint Sauce

SSr0 wrote: »

I wonder do the idiots know that the houses are most likely being built for them and their families.

Makes you wonder what will happen to the estate when they are moved in.

Graces7

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Having to get the Army in so houses can be built during a housing crisis .

This country

I saw a programme from the UK whereby they send repeat violent disorder offenders to a centre where they are ..... taken in hand by a really strict sergeant major....

It worked well ..

These big kids have never had any discipline in their lives and neither did their parents. and they are BIG, well fed, well cared for. No one has ever stood up to them and until and unless they do nothing will change.

Hence my idea re the army. A strong presence ? Someone who would take no nonsense etc.

gctest50

Graces7 wrote: »

I saw a programme from the UK whereby they send repeat violent disorder offenders to a centre where they are ..... taken in hand by a really strict sergeant major....

It worked well ..

These big kids have never had any discipline in their lives and neither did their parents. and they are BIG, well fed, well cared for. No one has ever stood up to them and until and unless they do nothing will change.

Hence my idea re the army. A strong presence ? Someone who would take no nonsense etc.

That Catholicfilth fantasy come true of batttering kids only works on English cry-bullies


A "Really strict sergeant major" standing in front of 30 Irish lads giving them too much grief will just get killed by them and they'll sell his medals and crap on eBay

Or they'll kill his family