Pat Kenny NIMBYism

M.Cribben

I would just like to preface that I think Pat Kenny is one of the most professional broadcasters in the country, and have been listening to his radio/tv shows for decades. And I have no problem with people making reasonable objections to planning applications, where it's obviously not the right property/business/conditions for the area.

However, given the chronic property supply shortage and homelessness emergency we're experiencing, this type of rubbish makes my blood boil:


https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/pat-kenny-lodges-16page-objection-to-illthought-apartment-block-plan-next-to-dalkey-home-37498602.html

They state that planning permission should be refused as “this development is ill-thought and appears based on the quest for density alone with scant other consideration”.

It's 19 apartments and 7 houses ffs. Hardly an Indian mega slum.

The Kennys are opposing the plan on a number of grounds - density, scale and massing, design, traffic impact, impact on trees and habitat and residential amenity.

How can 26 properties cause any meaningful impact on local traffic?

The objection adds: “It would also set a precedent that could ultimately seriously damage the character of the area.”

Living beside apartment blocks with a small % social housing, oh the horror.

It just seems every time developers try to build anywhere in Dublin, the locals kick up. It's more prevalent in the affluent parts from what I've seen.

Makes for some funny reading though:

Another reason for refusal put forward by the Kennys is that the proposal by reason of its scale, height and design would have an overbearing visual impact and be seriously injurious to the setting, amenity and appreciation of neighbouring properties.

tretorn

I know, its hilarious but if I was Pat I wouldnt like a site that size beside me, better to have a few apartments than an alternative that could be a lot worse.

Harry Palmr

A block of flats in Dalkey (the poshest bit) would be a blight if you already lived there. Pity no actual planning map in the article.

Hurrache

Everyone are entitled to object and submit their observations, housing shortages or not.

Throwing up houses and estates willy nilly caused all sorts of ****e in the late 70s/early 80s that are still having issues now.

Odelay

Would he like some caravans instaed?

Richard Hillman

By the description that's given by the Kenny party, it does seem to be quite impactful on their privacy. It says that the apartments will be 15meters away from one of the bedrooms and reaching 11 meters higher than their patio dining area.

Could you imagine the Kenny's decided to have dinner out there and there were gawpers having a nosey and Snap Chatting pictures of the Kenny's having their dinner?

Signore Fancy Pants

Kathy would get the length.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Harry Palmr wrote: »

A block of flats in Dalkey (the poshest bit) would be a blight if you already lived there. Pity no actual planning map in the article.

And yet and yet and yet ... halting sites.

Amiright?

Assetbacked

These sort of developments would really ignite new life into areas where there are traditionally large houses with lots of space separating one another. There is no reason why a relatively small development of housing should be prevented just because someone in their ivory tower is worried about a bedroom window that might look at an apartment. It would be such a crazy decision to refuse planning on reasons for "intrusiveness" and "out of character with the area" when dozens of people could be housed in a beautiful area like Dalkey at the minor irritation of one old man.

Kenny can take a hike.

Fann Linn

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

And yet and yet and yet ... halting sites.

Amiright?

Just thinking that myself. This developer should consider building near Doc Ciara Kelly, Joan Freeman etc etc. These celebs have nooo problem with high density buildings.

Harry Palmr

Suburbs and even streets should be considered ecosystems - they reach a certain equilibrium over time. Everyone knows everyone else, they feel safe, nothing unexpected happens - ever! I'd be appalled if the green across from me was suddenly given PP to appease some voracious developer.

Graces7

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Suburbs and even streets should be considered ecosystems - they reach a certain equilibrium over time. Everyone knows everyone else, they feel safe, nothing unexpected happens - ever! I'd be appalled if the green across from me was suddenly given PP to appease some voracious developer.

Which is why we have such a housing crisis. equilibrium? when we need houses? ecosystems?

people need homes.

MrMusician18

Redneck Culchie wrote: »

Watch as he gets his way and wins. Its only the rest of us peasants that must live beside travellers, anti -social -social-housing and immigrants/asylum seeker fraudsters.

The D4 liberals need more diversity in their neighborhood.

It depends, it's one powerful set of interests against another.

I suspect the developers however went in big, in the knowledge that it will be conditioned to be scaled back.

And whilst we are in a housing crisis, high end apartments and houses in Killiney are not part of the solution.

James Brown

If you want to live near or in a city, thems the breaks.

artanevilla

And now I'm going to sue and old woman over a field.

Signore Fancy Pants

I have never said this before but I agree with Pat.

Franz Von Peppercorn

MrMusician18 wrote: »

It depends, it's one powerful set of interests against another.

I suspect the developers however went in big, in the knowledge that it will be conditioned to be scaled back.

And whilst we are in a housing crisis, high end apartments and houses in Killiney are not part of the solution.

Any new house is a solution. If those people don’t buy there they will buy elsewhere.

Harry Palmr

The rich can buy a house or build a house almost anywhere

Franz Von Peppercorn

Harry Palmr wrote: »

The rich can buy a house or build a house almost anywhere

Except beside Pat Kenny. Irrelevant to the discussion anyway.

James Brown

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Except beside Pat Kenny. Irrelevant to the discussion anyway.

Or Leo Varadkar.

https://www.newstalk.com/Taoiseach-rejects-NIMBYism-accusations-over-Castleknock-planning-objection

SEPT 23 1989

Pat is right

Why spoil Dalkey when we have plenty of room out here in the dumping grounds of West Dublin for eastern block apartments and social housing

MrMusician18

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Any new house is a solution. If those people don’t buy there they will buy elsewhere.

There is no shortage of property in the price range these will sell at. The severe shortage is in the sub €500k house in the desirable Dublin areas

facehugger99

Assetbacked wrote: »

These sort of developments would really ignite new life into areas where there are traditionally large houses with lots of space separating one another. There is no reason why a relatively small development of housing should be prevented just because someone in their ivory tower is worried about a bedroom window that might look at an apartment. It would be such a crazy decision to refuse planning on reasons for "intrusiveness" and "out of character with the area" when dozens of people could be housed in a beautiful area like Dalkey at the minor irritation of one old man.

Kenny can take a hike.

Bord Pleanala has spoken.

blinding

Odelay wrote: »

Would he like some caravans instaed?

All the Irish Elite are Gagging for their Travellers . They just can’t cope with have been left without for so long . Weird how they couldn’t catch a break with their Halting sites .;)

Spanish Eyes

I personally don't blame him. Anyone can object if they pay the fee.

Sure lots of TDs, the Taoiseach and others on the Councils have objected to developments on behalf of their constituents. Talking out of both sides of their mouths.

Sauce for the goose and all that.

blinding

Fann Linn wrote: »

Just thinking that myself. This developer should consider building near Doc Ciara Kelly, Joan Freeman etc etc. These celebs have nooo problem with high density buildings.

They just can’t get enough traveller .;)

AllForIt

Uggh social housing in Dalkey. That's all we need...low social class ppl spoiling the better areas. No thanks. Let them live in Sallynoggin thats what its for.

AllForIt

AllForIt wrote: »

Uggh social housing in Dalkey. That's all we need...low social class ppl spoiling the better areas. No thanks. Let them live in Sallynoggin thats what its for.

You obviously don’t live in Dalkey.

AllForIt

Aegir wrote: »

You obviously don’t live in Dalkey.

What difference does it make where I live. Dalkey is a lovely spot to visit on a nice day which I've done many times. I dont want it spoilt. Like I dont want Dun Laoghraigh spoilt by drug addicts hanging around shop fronts because of the methadone clinic that opened there.

patrickbrophy18

The plans can be seen here. Honestly, I don't think they are half bad.


It's just the usual NIMBY-ism.

Spanish Eyes

Revenge is probably a dish best served cold in this instance.

I can never understand those architect plans TBH so I will say that if anyone was looking in my windows I would not be happy either.

But I am sure there are rules about that.