Pat Kenny NIMBYism

M.Cribben

I would just like to preface that I think Pat Kenny is one of the most professional broadcasters in the country, and have been listening to his radio/tv shows for decades. And I have no problem with people making reasonable objections to planning applications, where it's obviously not the right property/business/conditions for the area.

However, given the chronic property supply shortage and homelessness emergency we're experiencing, this type of rubbish makes my blood boil:


https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/pat-kenny-lodges-16page-objection-to-illthought-apartment-block-plan-next-to-dalkey-home-37498602.html

They state that planning permission should be refused as “this development is ill-thought and appears based on the quest for density alone with scant other consideration”.

It's 19 apartments and 7 houses ffs. Hardly an Indian mega slum.

The Kennys are opposing the plan on a number of grounds - density, scale and massing, design, traffic impact, impact on trees and habitat and residential amenity.

How can 26 properties cause any meaningful impact on local traffic?

The objection adds: “It would also set a precedent that could ultimately seriously damage the character of the area.”

Living beside apartment blocks with a small % social housing, oh the horror.

It just seems every time developers try to build anywhere in Dublin, the locals kick up. It's more prevalent in the affluent parts from what I've seen.

Makes for some funny reading though:

Another reason for refusal put forward by the Kennys is that the proposal by reason of its scale, height and design would have an overbearing visual impact and be seriously injurious to the setting, amenity and appreciation of neighbouring properties.

tretorn

I know, its hilarious but if I was Pat I wouldnt like a site that size beside me, better to have a few apartments than an alternative that could be a lot worse.

Harry Palmr

A block of flats in Dalkey (the poshest bit) would be a blight if you already lived there. Pity no actual planning map in the article.

Hurrache

Everyone are entitled to object and submit their observations, housing shortages or not.

Throwing up houses and estates willy nilly caused all sorts of ****e in the late 70s/early 80s that are still having issues now.

Odelay

Would he like some caravans instaed?

Richard Hillman

By the description that's given by the Kenny party, it does seem to be quite impactful on their privacy. It says that the apartments will be 15meters away from one of the bedrooms and reaching 11 meters higher than their patio dining area.

Could you imagine the Kenny's decided to have dinner out there and there were gawpers having a nosey and Snap Chatting pictures of the Kenny's having their dinner?

Signore Fancy Pants

Kathy would get the length.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Harry Palmr wrote: »

A block of flats in Dalkey (the poshest bit) would be a blight if you already lived there. Pity no actual planning map in the article.

And yet and yet and yet ... halting sites.

Amiright?

Assetbacked

These sort of developments would really ignite new life into areas where there are traditionally large houses with lots of space separating one another. There is no reason why a relatively small development of housing should be prevented just because someone in their ivory tower is worried about a bedroom window that might look at an apartment. It would be such a crazy decision to refuse planning on reasons for "intrusiveness" and "out of character with the area" when dozens of people could be housed in a beautiful area like Dalkey at the minor irritation of one old man.

Kenny can take a hike.

Fann Linn

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

And yet and yet and yet ... halting sites.

Amiright?

Just thinking that myself. This developer should consider building near Doc Ciara Kelly, Joan Freeman etc etc. These celebs have nooo problem with high density buildings.

Harry Palmr

Suburbs and even streets should be considered ecosystems - they reach a certain equilibrium over time. Everyone knows everyone else, they feel safe, nothing unexpected happens - ever! I'd be appalled if the green across from me was suddenly given PP to appease some voracious developer.

Graces7

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Suburbs and even streets should be considered ecosystems - they reach a certain equilibrium over time. Everyone knows everyone else, they feel safe, nothing unexpected happens - ever! I'd be appalled if the green across from me was suddenly given PP to appease some voracious developer.

Which is why we have such a housing crisis. equilibrium? when we need houses? ecosystems?

people need homes.

MrMusician18

Redneck Culchie wrote: »

Watch as he gets his way and wins. Its only the rest of us peasants that must live beside travellers, anti -social -social-housing and immigrants/asylum seeker fraudsters.

The D4 liberals need more diversity in their neighborhood.

It depends, it's one powerful set of interests against another.

I suspect the developers however went in big, in the knowledge that it will be conditioned to be scaled back.

And whilst we are in a housing crisis, high end apartments and houses in Killiney are not part of the solution.

James Brown

If you want to live near or in a city, thems the breaks.

artanevilla

And now I'm going to sue and old woman over a field.

Signore Fancy Pants

I have never said this before but I agree with Pat.

Franz Von Peppercorn

MrMusician18 wrote: »

It depends, it's one powerful set of interests against another.

I suspect the developers however went in big, in the knowledge that it will be conditioned to be scaled back.

And whilst we are in a housing crisis, high end apartments and houses in Killiney are not part of the solution.

Any new house is a solution. If those people don’t buy there they will buy elsewhere.

Harry Palmr

The rich can buy a house or build a house almost anywhere

Franz Von Peppercorn

Harry Palmr wrote: »

The rich can buy a house or build a house almost anywhere

Except beside Pat Kenny. Irrelevant to the discussion anyway.

James Brown

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Except beside Pat Kenny. Irrelevant to the discussion anyway.

Or Leo Varadkar.

https://www.newstalk.com/Taoiseach-rejects-NIMBYism-accusations-over-Castleknock-planning-objection

SEPT 23 1989

Pat is right

Why spoil Dalkey when we have plenty of room out here in the dumping grounds of West Dublin for eastern block apartments and social housing

MrMusician18

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Any new house is a solution. If those people don’t buy there they will buy elsewhere.

There is no shortage of property in the price range these will sell at. The severe shortage is in the sub €500k house in the desirable Dublin areas

facehugger99

Assetbacked wrote: »

These sort of developments would really ignite new life into areas where there are traditionally large houses with lots of space separating one another. There is no reason why a relatively small development of housing should be prevented just because someone in their ivory tower is worried about a bedroom window that might look at an apartment. It would be such a crazy decision to refuse planning on reasons for "intrusiveness" and "out of character with the area" when dozens of people could be housed in a beautiful area like Dalkey at the minor irritation of one old man.

Kenny can take a hike.

Bord Pleanala has spoken.

blinding

Odelay wrote: »

Would he like some caravans instaed?

All the Irish Elite are Gagging for their Travellers . They just can’t cope with have been left without for so long . Weird how they couldn’t catch a break with their Halting sites .;)

Spanish Eyes

I personally don't blame him. Anyone can object if they pay the fee.

Sure lots of TDs, the Taoiseach and others on the Councils have objected to developments on behalf of their constituents. Talking out of both sides of their mouths.

Sauce for the goose and all that.

blinding

Fann Linn wrote: »

Just thinking that myself. This developer should consider building near Doc Ciara Kelly, Joan Freeman etc etc. These celebs have nooo problem with high density buildings.

They just can’t get enough traveller .;)

AllForIt

Uggh social housing in Dalkey. That's all we need...low social class ppl spoiling the better areas. No thanks. Let them live in Sallynoggin thats what its for.

AllForIt

AllForIt wrote: »

Uggh social housing in Dalkey. That's all we need...low social class ppl spoiling the better areas. No thanks. Let them live in Sallynoggin thats what its for.

You obviously don’t live in Dalkey.

AllForIt

Aegir wrote: »

You obviously don’t live in Dalkey.

What difference does it make where I live. Dalkey is a lovely spot to visit on a nice day which I've done many times. I dont want it spoilt. Like I dont want Dun Laoghraigh spoilt by drug addicts hanging around shop fronts because of the methadone clinic that opened there.

patrickbrophy18

The plans can be seen here. Honestly, I don't think they are half bad.


It's just the usual NIMBY-ism.

Spanish Eyes

Revenge is probably a dish best served cold in this instance.

I can never understand those architect plans TBH so I will say that if anyone was looking in my windows I would not be happy either.

But I am sure there are rules about that.

Ronaldinho

Should have bought the site himself.

elperello

PK is just exercising his right to take part in the planning process.
Every house owner has the same right.

MrMusician18

elperello wrote: »

PK is just exercising his right to take part in the planning process.
Every house owner has the same right.

Indeed they do, but you don't need to be a house owner, anyone can make an objection. You just have to pay the fee.

Franz Von Peppercorn

elperello wrote: »

PK is just exercising his right to take part in the planning process.
Every house owner has the same right.

And yet most of these objections are in rich areas - the ones that succeed anyway. And no chance of a halting site either.

Harry Palmr

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Suburbs and even streets should be considered ecosystems - they reach a certain equilibrium over time. Everyone knows everyone else, they feel safe, nothing unexpected happens - ever! I'd be appalled if the green across from me was suddenly given PP to appease some voracious developer.

Fully agree with this. Most of South Dublin is way overdeveloped as it is. It's just endless stretches of houses and apartment blocks. A walk through, Sandymount or Dun Laoghaire are examples of lousy planning swallowing most of the green space. I get that they are sought after places to live, but for the life of me I can't see why.

patrickbrophy18

patrickbrophy18 wrote: »

The plans can be seen here. Honestly, I don't think they are half bad.


It's just the usual NIMBY-ism.

FYP

paleoperson

Glad to see the responses here. OP thought t'would be a sure thing to get you all riled up considering the popular view seems to be a minor dislike of Pat.

M.Cribben wrote: »

However, given the chronic property supply shortage and homelessness emergency we're experiencing, this type of rubbish makes my blood boil:

"There are starving and homeless children in the world! How can you do this when there are starving children, please think of the poor children and end this rubbish, it's an emergency!"

blinding

Pat is holding out for His Own Halting Site .

From recent pronouncements all of Ireland's Elite are Holding Out for their Own Halting Site .

It the ‘ In “ Thing with the Irish Elite at the “ Mo "

mikemac2

M.Cribben wrote: »

Living beside apartment blocks with a small % social housing, oh the horror.

He grew up on the North Circular Road, went to school in Richmond St in the inner city and had a early lecturing job in Bolton Street. Fair to say at 67 Kenny knows more about living in areas with social housing than many here

He didn’t live in south county Dublin all his life

Fann Linn

blinding wrote: »

Pat is holding out for His Own Halting Site .

From recent pronouncements all of Ireland's Elite are Holding Out for their Own Halting Site .

It the ‘ In “ Thing with the Irish Elite at the “ Mo "

Its like those others from a few years back, including Geldof, who wanted to keep Syrians as pets in their homes. When reality bit, they shyed away.

blinding

Fann Linn wrote: »

Its like those others from a few years back, including Geldof, who wanted to keep Syrians as pets in their homes. When reality bit, they shyed away.

They talk a good story but don’t walk the walk .:rolleyes:

Idbatterim

That nimby pat Kenny now objecting to a development beside his house. I’ve a simple solution, use the land to house travelers, no construction and low rise and all his other ****ing hypocrite mates in the media can go down to welcome them to their new home. I doubt Kenny would have said he had an issue living beside them!

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/broadcaster-pat-kenny-objects-to-ill-thought-housing-development-next-to-his-dalkey-home-883587.html

He is right to object. If this is allowed, then the whole of Harbour road will end up as apartments. Expensive apartments at that.

These won't be ones that end the housing crisis, these will be ones owned by people who want a base in Ireland to come back to from their tax avoiding home in Portugal.

There are fifty properties going in at Charleville, the other side of the church to Kenny. If this goes ahead as well, then there are over seventy new properties being built on what is a quiet road with pretty poor junctions at either end and has two junior schools and a senior school.

Thankfully Barrett didn't get his way with building at Bulloch Harbour but he seems to determined to build in this road and is splashing plenty of cash. Not bad for someone who was a partner in a company that went bust a few years ago owing €2.7bn

AllForIt

I think that if one works hard all their life they shouldn't be castigated for having a preference to live in a higher social class area if they can afford it. The ppl who look down on this make me sick.

M.Cribben

AllForIt wrote: »

I think that if one works hard all their life they shouldn't be castigated for having a preference to live in a higher social class area if they can afford it. The ppl who look down on this make me sick.

26 properties (most likely carrying a high price tag) with a small % social housing, is not going to turn Dalkey into Ballyfermot.

Of course everyone has the right to live in more affluent areas, but they don't have any right over what happens on other people's privately owned land in that area.

mikeym

Poor old Pat

postername1

pat kenny is a shill for George soros
check out his connection to peter sutherland and simon coveney

and professor lucas from the uk

and larry donnely and alan shatter

elperello

M.Cribben wrote: »

26 properties (most likely carrying a high price tag) with a small % social housing, is not going to turn Dalkey into Ballyfermot.

Of course everyone has the right to live in more affluent areas, but they don't have any right over what happens on other people's privately owned land in that area.

It's not a question of having a right over what happens on other people's privately owned land.

The owner of the land absolutely has the right to apply for planning permission and any third party has the right to make an objection or observation on that application.

Then the local authority makes a decision. After that the land owner or the objector can appeal to An Bord Pleanala.

Humility is Pat's strongest suit. He wouldn't deign to trouble the courts repeatedly. Or court an audience comprising the same riff-raff blighting his lofty perch in Dalkey.

Sciprio

This is what is frustrating. They have nice areas and homes and want that to remain. They don't want their houses to lose value or the area receiving a bad name, And to be honest that's fine, eveyone wants a nice peaceful place.

Yet these are the same people who are most in favour of mass immigration and other people shouldn't be "racist" to travellers because it makes it makes them feel good and to show how tolerant they are.

They mean good but they don't want the fruits of seeds that they planted in other areas. Out of sight, out of mind. Other areas will have to put up with it and accept it and to question anything to do with it deems you racist for questioning their noble causes. It's not them competing for places in low end jobs,housing and health.