Anti's having a field day

gunny123

Anyone else see this rubbish ? An American woman shot a goat in Scotland and there is endless whinging from the anti's over it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-45967845


Also this rubbish, a new gunshop opening close to a school "Wildly inappropriate", according to the local leftie MSP.

"It seems wildly inappropriate to have a firearms business in this area, and I worry this promotes the normalisation of shooting for sport in an area which is regularly passed by children"

Read more at: https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/morningside-gun-shop-wildly-inappropriate-so-close-to-primary-school-says-msp-1-4818909

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/morningside-gun-shop-wildly-inappropriate-so-close-to-primary-school-says-msp-1-4818909

Doctors room ghost

I’ve no bother with anyone shooting a goat once they use the meat.if they were left feral unchecked they would be everywhere.even if it was for feeding dogs at least they wouldn’t be wasted.

gunny123

Look at this drivel, i thought things were better in scotland, not if Rab C. Sturgeon has her way.

https://www.facebook.com/DanielJohnsonMSP/videos/179547052952543/?comment_id=844332465909956&notif_id=1540497098367643&notif_t=feedback_reaction_generic

judestynes

gunny123 wrote: »

Anyone else see this rubbish ? An American woman shot a goat in Scotland and there is endless whinging from the anti's over it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-45967845


Also this rubbish, a new gunshop opening close to a school "Wildly inappropriate", according to the local leftie MSP.

"It seems wildly inappropriate to have a firearms business in this area, and I worry this promotes the normalisation of shooting for sport in an area which is regularly passed by children"

Read more at: https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/morningside-gun-shop-wildly-inappropriate-so-close-to-primary-school-says-msp-1-4818909

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/morningside-gun-shop-wildly-inappropriate-so-close-to-primary-school-says-msp-1-4818909

So the Johnson character has a problem with children or young adults learning field crafts, first aid and all the other skills we must learn to enjoy outdoor pursuits?? Is that what he's saying?

Grizzly 45

Well sit not idly by. Send them a Twatter or FB comment or good old-fashioned quill to paper letter and let them know your opinion. The war against hunting and gun ownership is now EU and Global-wide and we are ALL in the trenches these days.:) "Dignified silences" and all that hs got us SFA sofar.The consensus is now to be abit more blunt in defence of our sport and lifestyle choices. In the age of "equality and diversity" any other group getting the abuse we put up with would be attacked and villified non stop in the MSM.So wht do we put up with it ourselves.

gunny123

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Well sit not idly by. Send them a Twatter or FB comment or good old-fashioned quill to paper letter and let them know your opinion. The war against hunting and gun ownership is now EU and Global-wide and we are ALL in the trenches these days.:) "Dignified silences" and all that hs got us SFA sofar.The consensus is now to be abit more blunt in defence of our sport and lifestyle choices. In the age of "equality and diversity" any other group getting the abuse we put up with would be attacked and villified non stop in the MSM.So wht do we put up with it ourselves.

Yeah, but we are the wrong kind of minority :rolleyes:

tac foley

I'm going to quote a post from airgunbbs.com here, that I bleeve sums up the ethos of shooting - '


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Target shooting as a sport is almost unique, in the way that it fosters life skills such as self-discipline, control, resilience and resolve. It is one of very few sports where whatever your opponent does cannot affect how well you do. You cannot be overwhelmed by strength or weight, you cannot be tackled to the floor, and you cannot be kept on your seat and out of action such as in snooker. How well you score is down solely to you. That in itself is a sobering lesson.

It's a shame that a lot more young men - and young women - don't grow up with the benefit of such experience. And it's a shame that the protesters and lobbyists have such closed minds that they are blind to these things.

As a sporting nation, Scotland punches way over its weight when it comes to shooting. Air pistol and air rifle, as well as prone .22cal - all have or have had Scottish champions over the years. The clown needs to take a look at Scottish sporting history to see what a total dwong he has made of himself with his inane comment.

Grizzly 45

gunny123 wrote: »

Yeah, but we are the wrong kind of minority :rolleyes:

So were gay folk until the Stonewall riots happened in the 1970s. Its time we came out of the cupboard so to speak and attack anyone who attacks us.We have been playing quiet and dignified for too long.:(

Brontosaurus

You get wild goats that aren't feral domestics, that are sometime protected by law. But it seems like the one's yer women shot are perfectly legal to shoot.

Eejits not knowing what is or isn't illegal to shoot don't do anyone favours.

Nekarsulm

The only problem I have with her and her husband is that they shot a Blackface ram.
Because it had a "nice curl" to its horns.
If they shot one of my rams ( and right before the breeding season, as well) by jove, they would be sorry.
If you can't tell the difference between a feral goat and farmers sheep, they shouldn't be shooting.
The guy who sponsored them to come shooting needs to be put straight too.

Now perhaps he is employed by an estate to manage the shooting side of the business, and perhaps the sheep flock also belongs to the estate, but you don't "stalk" a farm animal and then post selfies on social media about your prowess.

If you rattled a bucket of sheep nuts, the ram would have climbed into the jeep with you, no need for a full camo suit and a high end rifle.

https://www.thescottishfarmer.co.uk/news/17006740.bad-sport-on-islay/

gunny123

They were wealthy americans, apparently offering mucho money to shoot "exotic" breeds. A cute scotsman seen the opportunity to make a handy few bob, in his pocket tax free, and let them on. Thats the rumour anyway.

It was the anti's having a meltdown that caused the scene.

Grizzly 45

Errr..we DO all realise that there are some chancers here in Ireland offering "guided hunting tours " to shoot rare "Irish Ibex" goats down in the SE part of our island too?;)

Collie D

I'll probably be unpopular here but I'll fire away.

I'm a non shoooter (shot a few clays once and enjoyed it) but I have nothing against anyone owning a gun for target shooting or even hunting once it's for pest control or eating and not just going off and blowing away everything they see.

But if you really want people like me to see your side you should lay off on the angry rhetoric like "lefties" or "going to war" - two phrases that have been used in this first page alone. Nothing scares a non shooter more than guys with guns coming out with stuff like that towards people that they perceive as some kind of enemy or threat.

gunny123

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Errr..we DO all realise that there are some chancers here in Ireland offering "guided hunting tours " to shoot rare "Irish Ibex" goats down in the SE part of our island too?;)

There ya go, never let a few bob pass you by.

gunny123

Collie D wrote: »

I'll probably be unpopular here but I'll fire away.

I'm a non shoooter (shot a few clays once and enjoyed it) but I have nothing against anyone owning a gun for target shooting or even hunting once it's for pest control or eating and not just going off and blowing away everything they see.

No one goes out to "blow away" everything they see. I have heard that crap before by people who have no experience of shooting or stalking. The daft notion, that someone going out after deer, will flatten any rabbit, hare, fox, sheep, goat or passing cyclist is vexing and false. The laws on firearms ownership, hunting etc are very tough, and no one wants to see them tightened further, which is why, in fairness, we are self policing and anyone messing around gets very little sympathy when caught.

There was a thread here recently about a guy who was shooting deer by the dozen, for sale. He was caught and he was roundly condemned on here and rightly so.

Collie D

gunny123 wrote: »

No one goes out to "blow away" everything they see. I have heard that crap before by people who have no experience of shooting or stalking. The daft notion, that someone going out after deer, will flatten any rabbit, hare, fox, sheep, goat or passing cyclist is vexing and false. The laws on firearms ownership, hunting etc are very tough, and no one wants to see them tightened further, which is why, in fairness, we are self policing and anyone messing around gets very little sympathy when caught.

There was a thread here recently about a guy who was shooting deer by the dozen, for sale. He was caught and he was roundly condemned on here and rightly so.

I didn't say anyone was blowing everything away. I said I've no issue with hunting once that doesn't happen.

But this is what I referred to in my first post. You've instantly gone on the defensive as if I've attacked you. That's not how you're going to have firearms restrictions loosened.

gunny123

Collie D wrote: »

I didn't say anyone was blowing everything away. I said I've no issue with hunting once that doesn't happen.

But this is what I referred to in my first post. You've instantly gone on the defensive as if I've attached you. That's not how you're going to have firearms restrictions loosened.

I get an email everytime a response is added to a thread i have commented on, as i was online anyway i went to see what was added. Gone on the defensive ? Correct, most people in Ireland and most of europe with firearms are like that, as we have people who want to remove our firearms and sports even though we have done nothing wrong, just because someone has gone on the rampage in the USA or a terrorist has shot a group of people.

We lost our centrefire pistols because of one eejit posting silly videos on youtube. After being vetted, interviewed, having my house inspected twice by gardai, and turning it into fort Knox, my sunday morning sport was removed for no other reason than the minister personally did not like firearms.

Collie D

I'm just chipping in my two cent that the us vs them posts and phrases like "antis", "leftie" this and that and "going to war" (not your post I know) aren't going to help you win anyone over.

It just comes across as a bit NRAish and surely you can see that's not a good thing.

Grizzly 45

The NRA! The NRA...The boogeyman of the uninitiated and the scapegoat of the "look at America and the crazy gun nuts !" :rolleyes:

Let's start with a few simple reality checks shall we?;)
Comparing the USA with 320 million citizens and now well North of 450 million known firearms,with a constitutional right to keep and bear arms,to a country of about 4 million and +/- 250, 000 firearms that are licensed to what 90,000 of us is an utter incompatibility in comparisons.In fact, comparing the US on gun ownership to maybe, Yemen, who own more guns per head per capita than the Americans is a non-starter.If you want realistic comparisons, pick any EU country and compare it to Ireland.


Actually, the NRA is considered a pretty soft organisation on gun rights in the US these days and is reviled by some as a sell out operation. Compared to groups like "no compromise" Gunowners of America or Jews For the Preservation of Firearms Ownership,then you are talking hardcore "gun lobby".Only reason the MSM uses the NRA,is simply its just the handiest one to throw muck at.

We are getting kind of tired with "dignified silences" and "Very softly let's not offend the GP "kind of approaches. It has got us and our closest neighbours in the UK and the EU SFA in the last 35 years in public sympathy and nothing but further restrictions and bans on our sports, and damn little in the reduction in gun crime or "public safety".
So forgive us if we are getting a bit blunt and somewhat bolshie in tone in these days of "openness, diversity and tolerance of all" As it seems we are the excluded and pariahs because of our lifestyle choices and ownership of inanimate objects which we have to jump thru enough legal and personal hoops to own here in the EU.

I and no one else who hunts or shoots should have to make NO apologies for our choices or be subjected to utterly vile abuse,bullying in the workplace Swatting or Doxing online or death threats to us or our families by keyboard cowards or no talent, no intellect, little big people who are are media or Hollywoo celebs.

Were it any ethnic or religious group being attacked or scapegoated the way gun owners are, there would be celebs and do-gooders lining up to be professionally offended and to fight for us.
So too bad if it sounds "offensive" or "NRAish",We are coming out of the closet and are saying we are proud gun owners and hunters and too bad if Gen Snowflake and the perpetually offended and outraged can't handle it . We have just as much right to continue and practise a lawful lifestyle and pursuit as any others,if not more so.

Collie D

Where did I say you weren't entitled to own a gun? All I'm saying is if you want to be taken seriously you might think about calming down the rhetoric a little instead of calling anyone snowflakes.

I'll step out to be honest. I'm just trying to start a discussion and it seems you can only come back and use words like Internet coward or snowflake.

I'm sure you're not representative of the majority of Irish gun owners but you're not doing yourself or them any favours with the language used on here. Sell yourselves a little.

judestynes

Collie D wrote: »

Where did I say you weren't entitled to own a gun? All I'm saying is if you want to be taken seriously you might think about calming down the rhetoric a little instead of calling anyone snowflakes.

I'll step out to be honest. I'm just trying to start a discussion and it seems you can only come back and use words like Internet coward or snowflake.

I'm sure you're not representative of the majority of Irish gun owners but you're not doing yourself or them any favours with the language used on here. Sell yourselves a little.

Hi Collie and thanks for your input. in your opinion what would convince the genaral populace the gun ownership by legitimate and safe sportsmen and women is nothing to be feared? You've already said what wouldn't so theres no need to repeat that. You see the problem we have is no matter what anyone involved in our hobby does gets spun by the media into something negative and as mentioned in this thread and other's there are so many positive atributes to the hobby. On top of that as a living historian and collector I interact with the public quite a lot during the summer months. The shows I display at attract pretty large crowds and the weaponry on display is the main attraction so I don't think the populace in general are anti gun it's just a partisan media telling them that they should be.

Grizzly 45

Collie D wrote: »

Where did I say you weren't entitled to own a gun? All I'm saying is if you want to be taken seriously you might think about calming down the rhetoric a little instead of calling anyone snowflakes.

I'll step out to be honest. I'm just trying to start a discussion and it seems you can only come back and use words like Internet coward or snowflake.

I'm sure you're not representative of the majority of Irish gun owners but you're not doing yourself or them any favours with the language used on here. Sell yourselves a little.

QED on not reading my reply properly and reading things into it not said, spinning your interpretation on it and cherry picking phrases and being immediately "offended".:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Compared to being called a "blood moron" and hoping my family is raped and gutted by someone because I am a hunter being called a snowflake,is pretty tame.So tell us how do we have a "rational discussion " or "sell ourselves"with people like that????:rolleyes:

gunny123

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

QED on not reading my reply properly and reading things into it not said,and being immediately "offended".:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Compared to bein called a "blood moron" and hoping my family is raped and gutted by someone because I am a hunter being called a snowflake,is pretty tame.So tell us how do we have a "rational discussion " with people like that????:rolleyes:

He did the same with me, but what the hey.

gunny123

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/morningside-gun-shop-wildly-inappropriate-so-close-to-primary-school-says-msp-1-4818909

An update on this, the scottish Msp Daniel Johnson, has backed down, or slunk away from it anyway, after getting over 900 messages on his facebook page, in support of the gunshop, asking why he was objecting to a legitimate business.

Grizzly 45

And in Westminister,it looks like the offensive weapons bill is stalled out. So British 50 Cals and MARS rifles are still safe for awhile yet.No small thanks to the british shooters finally getting off their bums and lobbying hard on this.Shooters that is ,not their recognised organisations.

gunny123

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEnGHQf4epA

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/home-affairs/justice-system/opinion/dods-monitoring/99355/offensive-weapons-bill-fit-purpose

Grizzly 45

We rest our case!

judestynes

gunny123 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEnGHQf4epA

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/home-affairs/justice-system/opinion/dods-monitoring/99355/offensive-weapons-bill-fit-purpose

FYI all the pistols in that image are blank firer's which are completely legal not real guns. Just saying.

gunny123

The point was, rifles are used in less than 1% of crime in the uk. So why ban .50's and mars rifles, neither of which have ever been used in a crime ?

Handguns are used in 50% of gun crime, but are already banned, which proves the point that criminals do not care about breaking the law.

judestynes

Safe to guess the majority of these gun crimes are drug related... drugs are already illegal but still they're getting into the country, illegal weapons getting in the same route. I just wish people would see a ban for what it is whether it's a gun ban or hoody ban or anything it's just an admission by legislators that they are unable to proberly legislate for this particular issue so instead of admitting their incompetance they make this strong stance to make it appear to johhny public that they are controlling the problem.
This really goes to show you how terminology can influence the public at the bottom of the original article there was an online poll regarding an all out ban on firearms yes or no.. instead of ban firearms or sterner sentences for gun crime yes or no. People aren't anti gun, theyre anti gun crime in the same way they aren't anti drug really. they're anti drug crime.

Grizzly 45

Discrimination still applies in the UK, if you are a disabled shooter that is.

Apparently, the MARS/Lever release are a big hit with disabled gun owners over there[as were semi-autos in the day].So now the UK govt wants to ban an awkward rifle that has never been used in a crime,is favoured by disabled people to keep it out of criminal hands??
No wonder Monthy Python was written by the English,as they seem to accept this kind of thinking as utterly sane.

tac foley

Nossir, they don't think that. The general public has never heard of them, and the shooting fraternity and at least 50 Members of Parliament, think that the proposed new strictures are not only a waste of time, but are further impositions on whatever liberty is left.

Making laws to further restrict the law-abiding legal owners of this kind of sporting firearm does nothing stay the ever-growing numbers of young black men killing and maiming other young black men with KNIVES.

gunny123

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9QgPTdtGo0

Birdnuts

gunny123 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9QgPTdtGo0

Sounds like their version of that tw*t Paul Murphy - my only point of disagreement with the gun lad was his views on having a local strip club:pac:;)

gunny123

Birdnuts wrote: »

Sounds like their version of that tw*t Paul Murphy

True, no shortage of lunatics in ireland, we have more than our fair share, even more when you consider the thousands who vote for them.

tac foley

Don't overlook the sheer front of Mr Johnson MSP. Being a Scot, operating in Scotland, he's obviously playing on the 'legacy' of the appalling Dunblane mass shooting back in '96.

I've already made my comment, based on the response given by a fellow Scot on airgunbba.com

His callous disregard for facts, and his cynical implication that any gun store set up near a school is going to encourage another similar event to occur, is both callous and calculating.

gunny123

NURSE, NURSE, HE'S OUT OF BED AGAIN............

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/06/chris-packham-launches-campaign-calling-barren-scottish-grouse/

solarwinds

So which is it are Grouse Moors "unnatural and only look that way due to human intervention" or are they "an amazing natural resource".
Its enough to make your head sick, sure if it wasn't this he is banging on about it'll be some other sh1te.
But it seems public demand has prompted this call to arms. I'd be surprised if even half of them know what a Grouse looks like.

judestynes

solarwinds wrote: »

. I'd be surprised if even half of them know what a Grouse looks like.

Comes on a bottle doesn't it??

gunny123

Looks like the proposed .50bmg ban in the UK is gone. The government have decided not to bother with it, so a bit of a victory even though nothing has changed .

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/11/23/plans-ban-military-grade-rifles-dropped-government-climbdown/

Grizzly 45

Nothing about the MARS rifles tho.:(.Which could be very bad news for disabled shooters over there.

gunny123

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Nothing about the MARS rifles tho.:(.Which could be very bad news for disabled shooters over there.

Wasn't it all part of the same bill ? Plus if they are worried about the dup kicking off, i would imagine the mars would be safe too.

tac foley

A good pal of mine, who has MS, shoots a couple of MARS-style rifles and carbines. He's getting as much shooting of all kinds in before he gets to the stage where he can't do it any more. Then he's off to Switzerland....

Meanwhile, we have yet to see any great spurt in the use of .50cal rifles in crime hereabouts. Not too easy on the pocket of the hoodie, that 40 pound, six-foot long iron monster, eh? Or MARS or ANY kind of straight-pull rifle or carbine - not one of which has ever been used in the commission of crime since they were invented.

cd07

gunny123 wrote:

NURSE, NURSE, HE'S OUT OF BED AGAIN............

And you point here is what exactly? Chris Packham is yes a conservationist but so what? I love my sport of hunting/shooting but grouse shooting in Scotland is a yuppy joke . Not hunting in my eyes... paid Muppets driving reared grouse for toffs to shoot! Gimme wild pigeon any day. And the fact they slaughter eagles and hen harriers amongst other raptors for that ****e is a disgrace. And it goes all the way to the royal family! Should our sport impact natural wildlife? I don't think so

gunny123

cd07 wrote: »

And you point here is what exactly? Chris Packham is yes a conservationist but so what? I love my sport of hunting/shooting but grouse shooting in Scotland is a yuppy joke . Not hunting in my eyes... paid Muppets driving reared grouse for toffs to shoot! Gimme wild pigeon any day. And the fact they slaughter eagles and hen harriers amongst other raptors for that ****e is a disgrace. And it goes all the way to the royal family! Should our sport impact natural wildlife? I don't think so

It is illegal to shoot any bird of pray, it is a serious criminal offence in the UK as it is here.

cd07

gunny123 wrote:

It is illegal to shoot any bird of pray, it is a serious criminal offence in the UK as it is here.

Yes but why the post? Is there an issue with Chris Packham and conservation? I believe in nature taking course... we hunt now because I believe we've taken away much of natural predation and there are influxes in non native birds/animals .As we all know already it is illegal to kill raptors but still it goes on....its an argument on deaf ears as far I'm concerned

gunny123

cd07 wrote: »

Yes but why the post? Is there an issue with Chris Packham and conservation? I believe in nature taking course... we hunt now because I believe we've taken away much of natural predation and there are influxes in non native birds/animals .As we all know already it is illegal to kill raptors but still it goes on....its an argument on deaf ears as far I'm concerned

Why not the post ? If the mods had an issue with it they would have removed it. Do you want everybody to run what they post past you first in case you are offended ?

I really don't care, report the post and link to cass, i am sure he will remove it.

Grizzly 45

cd07 wrote: »

And you point here is what exactly? Chris Packham is yes a conservationist but so what? I love my sport of hunting/shooting but grouse shooting in Scotland is a yuppy joke . Not hunting in my eyes... paid Muppets driving reared grouse for toffs to shoot! Gimme wild pigeon any day. And the fact they slaughter eagles and hen harriers amongst other raptors for that ****e is a disgrace. And it goes all the way to the

royal family!

Should our sport impact natural wildlife? I don't think so

Is there a very good view off that high horse there?:rolleyes::rolleyes:

gunny123

A better news story, amazingly from the bbc.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-46235155

tac foley

There was a programme a couple of years back on the Scottish Gaelic channel that followed three young ladies learning to be gamekeepers in the pursuit of their goal.

Anybody here remember it?

gunny123

tac foley wrote: »

There was a programme a couple of years back on the Scottish Gaelic channel that followed three young ladies learning to be gamekeepers in the pursuit of their goal.

Anybody here remember it?

I don't Tac, but i remember "The Gamekeeper" series which followed gamekeeper Charlie Pirie on a huge estate in Blair Atholl in Scotland. A good programme, factual and well researched, they even did a book, which i have i think. That was about 20 years ago before televison went so PC.