Dublin Bus - Major Service Expansion Announced

devnull

The switchover of 24 routes to Go-Ahead will free up resources in Dublin Bus which has allowed NTA to approve a major expansion programme including significant frequency improvements on 25 separate Dublin Bus routes including 3 brand new routes.

NTA Chief Executive Officer Anne Graham said: “In the coming weeks and months, we will see a very substantial increase in frequency and service levels on about 50 bus routes in Dublin, operated under the Transport for Ireland brand, by both Dublin Bus and Go-Ahead Ireland.

“This is the single biggest programme of service improvements that the NTA has ever approved and it is indicative of the level of commitment we have to making the bus service better for more passengers across the network in Dublin."

The routes due for frequency improvements with dates and further info when available
Route 1 - Santry to Sandymount via City Centre (October)
Route 4 - Harristown to Monkstown via Ballymun Road, City Centre and Ballsbridge
Route 13 – Harristown to Grange Castle via Ballymun Road, City Centre and Clondalkin
Route 14 – Ardlea Road to Dundrum via Malahide Road, City Centre and Rathmines (October)
Route 15 - Clongriffin to Ballycullen Road via Malahide Road, City Centre and Rathmines (October)
Route 15A – Limekiln Avenue to Ringsend Road via Rathmines and City Centre (October)
Route 15B – Stocking Avenue to Ringsend Road via Rathmines and City Centre (October)
Route 16 – Dublin Airport to Ballinteer via Santry, City Centre and Rathfarnham
Route 25a – Lucan Esker to Merrion Square via Chapelizod Bypass and City Centre
Route 25b – Adamstown to Merrion Square via Chapelizod Bypass and City Centre
Route 26 – Palmerstown to Merrion Square via Chapelizod Village and City Centre
Route 27 – Clarehall to Jobstown via Malahide Road, City Centre, Crumlin and Tallaght (October)
Route 38 – Damastown to Burlington Road via New Cabra Road, Phibsborough and City Centre
Route 38a – Damastown to Burlington Road via New Cabra Road, Phibsborough and City Centre
Route 39a – Ongar to UCD Belfield via Blanchardstown Centre, Old Cabra Road and City Centre
Route 54a – Kiltipper to Pearse Street via Tallaght and Harold’s Cross
Route 66 - Maynooth to Merrion Square via Chapelizod Village and City Centre
Route 66a – Leixlip Captain’s Hill to Merrion Square via Chapelizod Village ad City Centre
Route 66b – Leixlip Castletown to Merrion Square via Chapelizod Village and City Centre
Route 70 – Dunboyne to Burlington Road via Blanchardstown Bypass, Old Cabra Road and City Centre
Route 83 – Harristown to Kimmage via Glasnevin, Phibsboro and City Cetre
Route 84/a – Newcastle to Blackrock via Greystones and Bray

The new routes will be:
Route 40e – Tyrellstown to Broombridge Luas via West Finglas
Route 45 - Bray DART Station to Ikea via N11/Stillorgan Road, City Centre and Ballymun
Route 66e – Maynooth to Merrion Square via Glen Easton, Chapelizod Village and City Centre.

The increases will happen on a phased basis between now and the end of January, updates will be posted on the Commuting and Transport forum when things are finalised but you should also check the operators site and the Transport for Ireland site regularly.

(Source: NTA Press Release)

Stephen15

The proposed route 45 sounds almost exactly like the proposed Bus Connects E1. I wonder what it's frequency will be it sounds like a potential replacement for the 145 eventually.

Kyleboy

Stephen15 wrote: »

The proposed route 45 sounds almost exactly like the proposed Bus Connects E1. I wonder what it's frequency will be it sounds like a potential replacement for the 145 eventually.

It's every 15 minutes, was told it would be number 155 instead of 45 so not to cause any confusion.

Yer Da sells Avon

It would be great if the 84 could be given a 30-minute frequency and a timetable that allows for an easy connection to the 45 at Bray station. Could become a halfway worthwhile route again.

patrickc

some earlier starts but still no week night late buses.

Stephen15

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

It would be great if the 84 could be given a 30-minute frequency and a timetable that allows for an easy connection to the 45 at Bray station. Could become a halfway worthwhile route again.

Interworked with the 184 for a 15 minute frequency between Bray and Greystones.

Stephen15

Kyleboy wrote: »

It's every 15 minutes, was told it would be number 155 instead of 45 so not to cause any confusion.

They could also go for 146 or 46 too which might also be suitable as a route number. I see where they're coming from alright this proposed 45 doesn't have much resemblance with the old 45 other than the fact they both serve Bray or the 45a either.

I would assume the routing will serve DCU which would a good link between the two universities. It would give the Southside a frequent link to DCU for those not served by the 4 and the North side a link to UCD.

Stephen15

Hopefully this expansion will be taken into when the revised Bus Connects route plans are being drawn up.

Kyleboy

Stephen15 wrote: »

Hopefully this expansion will be taken into when the revised Bus Connects route plans are being drawn up.

The 155 (45) is scheduled to start at the beginning of January when the last of the 10%are handed over to go ahead.

Stephen15

Kyleboy wrote: »

The 155 (45) is scheduled to start at the beginning of January when the last of the 10%are handed over to go ahead.

I'm more talking about the expansion in service in general as many of the spine routes will need frequency tables updated when Bus Connects is revised to reflect the increase in service.

Kfagan10

An additional route through Leixlip and yet no improvements on the 67 is really disappointing.

OscarMIlde

Kfagan10 wrote: »

An additional route through Leixlip and yet no improvements on the 67 is really disappointing.

Yep, I don't know how the residents of Celbridge keep getting shafted. The 67 is a nightmare of a bus, it never keeps to schedule due to the varying traffic along the route. Even three buses an hour rather than two would help morale of commuters relying on that bus. Busconnects is making their commute even worse, with their bus now routing through Leixlip as well, giving them another traffic bottleneck. They should make all the 66/67 routes bypass both Lucan village and Chapelizod, the bus journey times are unnecessarily long at the moment.

I do welcome the 66E though, it is needed, the people of Easton have no bus service apart from some 66x buses, which often don't show in the morning. With all the new developments planned in the area it is needed. A similar service for Aghards road route in Celbridge would be great.

Rechuchote

What are they doing with the 16? It would be great if it ran a) earlier and b) later, so it would be possible to reach 8am flights in time, and to get home to the southwestside after flights coming in at 11pm.

Qrt

Have the timetables been published? Frequencies of the new routes etc?

devnull

Qrt wrote: »

Have the timetables been published? Frequencies of the new routes etc?

They will be published in phases between now and January, since this increase will be dependent on drivers and vehicles being freed up when outer metropolitan routes transfer to Go-Ahead Ireland.

If you look at the table of routes getting an increase, the ones that we have timetables or details for already are a link to the further information, if there is no link it means that there is no information as of yet.

Since the Go-Ahead transfers are indicative dates for November and January, tey could slip or change slightly and that would effect the DB expansion time, plus rosters need to be worked out and agreed within DB.

Qrt

devnull wrote: »

They will be published in phases between now and January, since this increase will be dependent on drivers and vehicles being freed up when outer metropolitan routes transfer to Go-Ahead Ireland.

If you look at the table of routes getting an increase, the ones that we have timetables or details for already are a link to the further information, if there is no link it means that there is no information as of yet.

Since the Go-Ahead transfers are indicative dates for November and January, tey could slip or change slightly and that would effect the DB expansion time, plus rosters need to be worked out and agreed within DB.

Cheers! I've just woke up so I was wondering if I was looking at stuff, but not seeing it, if you get me.

zl1whqvjs75cdy

How in the name of Christ is celbridge getting done again. Routes through maynooth and leixlip both improve, even though both have train stations. Meanwhile the largest town in North kildare gets one solitary bus route that barely shows up and takes 90 minutes to travel 15 miles. What the actual ****.

Technocentral

I frequently see 2 no. 4s for every 140 at the Broadstone stop, its 140 that needs improving.

VG31

Technocentral wrote: »

I frequently see 2 no. 4s for every 140 at the Broadstone stop, its 140 that needs improving.

Definitely, the 140 is always full. It should really have a 10 minute frequency.

Stephen15

Perhaps the new 45/155 might take a similar route to get to Ikea as the 140 which would add extra capcity to the 140. The 4 needs a frequency increase too since it's frequency was butchered during Network Direct cuts.

AlekSmart

Rechuchote wrote: »

What are they doing with the 16? It would be great if it ran a) earlier and b) later, so it would be possible to reach 8am flights in time, and to get home to the southwestside after flights coming in at 11pm.

It's likely that the 16 will be in the initial batch of 24 Hr services,now apparently due in Feb 2019.

Qrt

Stephen15 wrote: »

Perhaps the new 45/155 might take a similar route to get to Ikea as the 140 which would add extra capcity to the 140. The 4 needs a frequency increase too since it's frequency was butchered during Network Direct cuts.

Considering it says it's going via Ballymun, I'd suspect it's going straight up Ballymun Rd and turning left into IKEA near the metrohotel.

thomasj

AlekSmart wrote:

It's likely that the 16 will be in the initial batch of 24 Hr services,now apparently due in Feb 2019.

Is that still the case of the 16, 39 and 145?

dublinman1990

I'm very happy with the news that the 4 is getting an increase in service again after the cuts from Network Direct. I would like to see improvements in it's Sunday timetable because having it at an hourly frequency is a joke. The 84 suffers from this problem throughout it's own timetable. Hearing that the 45 is coming back in Bray is very good news. I hope that the 145 is not being scrapped as part of this change or is it staying as normal because there is no mention yet of it's future with Dublin Bus. What type of comments would go around if the 45 was made into a 24 hour service if the 145 gets eventually scrapped?

Spanish Eyes

donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »

How in the name of Christ is celbridge getting done again. Routes through maynooth and leixlip both improve, even though both have train stations. Meanwhile the largest town in North kildare gets one solitary bus route that barely shows up and takes 90 minutes to travel 15 miles. What the actual ****.

Celbridge commuters are being directed towards the train at Hazelhatch or Leixlip with a new circular route serving both stations. That's what I think anyway:P

But I agree with you, it is tough for those out there in CB, Leixlip will have increased bus services AND two train stations. Must be Intel and HP or something like that!

Stephen15

dublinman1990 wrote: »

I'm very happy with the news that the 4 is getting an increase in service again after the cuts from Network Direct. I would like to see improvements in it's Sunday timetable because having it at an hourly frequency is a joke. The 84 suffers from this problem throughout it's own timetable. Hearing that the 45 is coming back in Bray is very good news. I hope that the 145 is not being scrapped as part of this change or is it staying as normal because there is no mention yet of it's future with Dublin Bus. What type of comments would go around if the 45 was made into a 24 hour service if the 145 gets eventually scrapped?

It's worth noting that the new 45/155 whichever number they go for is more like the 145 with a Northside extension as it goes via the N11 and not Deansgrange/Blackrock.

The BC E1 looks to be fairly much the same bar a slight extension to Northwood.

OscarMIlde

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Celbridge commuters are being directed towards the train at Hazelhatch or Leixlip with a new circular route serving both stations. That's what I think anyway:P

But I agree with you, it is tough for those out there in CB, Leixlip will have increased bus services AND two train stations. Must be Intel and HP or something like that!

That's a ridiculous plan. The trains are oversubscribed as is. Increasing the number of buses and overhauling the route to reduce travel time would be much easier.

dfx-

Bray to Ballymun? Why...

Haven't we learned any lesson of combined cross city behemoths...

Stephen15

dfx- wrote: »

Bray to Ballymun? Why...

Haven't we learned any lesson of combined cross city behemoths...

Why not? Provides a North-South link. Gives a link to DCU for people on the Southside and a link to UCD for people on the Northside. Also adds capacity for passengers South of Foxrock Church as the 145 is struggling for capacity at peak times.

PhoenixParker

When do we get the timetables for the routes?

Stephen15

PhoenixParker wrote: »

When do we get the timetables for the routes?

We already have new timetables on the 14, 120 and 61. New timetables will be released as more routes move to Go-Ahead I would assume.

Rechuchote

Oh, wait, the 16 route is being privatised? Ah no - that's disgusting! So sickened to hear that.

Stephen15

Rechuchote wrote: »

Oh, wait, the 16 route is being privatised? Ah no - that's disgusting! So sickened to hear that.

Where did you get that information from?

thomasj

Rechuchote wrote:

Oh, wait, the 16 route is being privatised? Ah no - that's disgusting! So sickened to hear that.

No

Idbatterim

When are we getting a 24 hour (or close to it) bus and luas service ?

Victor

Idbatterim wrote: »

When are we getting a 24 hour (or close to it) bus and luas service ?

Other than perhaps weekend services, 24-hour rail services are relatively rare, except where there are alternative lines available. This is so that maintenance can be carried out at night.

Stephen15

Idbatterim wrote: »

When are we getting a 24 hour (or close to it) bus and luas service ?

Feburary was being muted up thread for DB

Rechuchote

Stephen15 wrote: »

Where did you get that information from?

The first post in this thread - perhaps I misunderstood it?

Telchak

Rechuchote wrote: »

The first post in this thread - perhaps I misunderstood it?

Because other routers are were moved to GoAhead, Dublin Bus has spare buses for extra capacity on the routes listed.

trellheim

39a and 70 corridor from CC to M50 badly needs improvememt every single bus jammed from the quays to the NAvan Road

Rechuchote

Mostly the 16 is great, in my experience (though the horrid Bus Connects plan may make it far worse) - but as an airport bus it needs early-morning and late-night runs, and not dumping out old ladies and helpless foreigners into O'Connell Street or College Green, thank you very much, but continuing south to Tallaght.

XPS_Zero

When the private companies don't own the busses, can't undercut T&C's, don't set the fares, don't own the bus stops and can't change the routes without the states permission, it's not being privatized.

Privatization would be selling the lot off (except MAYBE the bus stops?) and letting any company join onto that route, competing on fares, busses etc

We don't have that because we know from other countries it does not work. We know from this country the CIE monopoly does not work either (see recent BE strike and the sympathy strikes around it, not to mention the intimidation against GOBE drivers...see DART drivers who think 'increments' and pay rises are not the same thing...). We know from here (Luas model) and elsewhere that this model does work well. So were trying an expansion of it.

Nothings being privatized. Be careful saying that, you might get people comfortable with the word, there are a few in Irish politics who would indeed go the full way and if you get the public to stop having an y fear of the P word by tossing it around that casually it will make it easier for them to advocate for it.

Rechuchote

It's P by stealth. They'll see if people will put up with it, and then sneak in more and more - unless there's anger and resistance.

XPS_Zero

They'll expand the % of routes. They are not gonna go full privatization, only a few thatcherite nutters in FG would go that far, and they are mostly younger types who, like the SWP heads, will realize the worlds a more grey place when they grow up.



There is no possibility of actual privatization of bus or rail in Ireland, it's not going to happen, esp after what happened in the UK.

devnull

Rechuchote wrote: »

It's P by stealth. They'll see if people will put up with it, and then sneak in more and more - unless there's anger and resistance.

Personally I couldn't care less if the operator is public or private, I just care about the quality of the service.

PhoenixParker

It’s how things are done in places like Sweden. I’ll take their service standards over ours any day.

thomasj

trellheim wrote:

39a and 70 corridor from CC to M50 badly needs improvememt every single bus jammed from the quays to the NAvan Road

And beyond the m50 as well. There are times you cannot get on a bus after Blanchardstown centre because of the long wait coupled with the numbers coming from the centre towards ongar.

Rechuchote

devnull wrote: »

Personally I couldn't care less if the operator is public or private, I just care about the quality of the service.

I care about the quality of the service, because that benefits me.

I care about the quality of the working conditions too, though.

Amirani

Rechuchote wrote: »

Mostly the 16 is great, in my experience (though the horrid Bus Connects plan may make it far worse) - but as an airport bus it needs early-morning and late-night runs, and not dumping out old ladies and helpless foreigners into O'Connell Street or College Green, thank you very much, but continuing south to Tallaght.

If you consider travelling 7km in an hour to be great, then fair enough. The 16 from Rathfarnham to College Green around 8am is a shambles and needs fixing, hopefully BusConnects will do this.

Rechuchote

Amirani wrote: »

If you consider travelling 7km in an hour to be great, then fair enough. The 16 from Rathfarnham to College Green around 8am is a shambles and needs fixing, hopefully BusConnects will do this.

One person in 80% of cars; 50% of all driven journeys are under 2km. The problem is there.

XPS_Zero

devnull wrote: »

Personally I couldn't care less if the operator is public or private, I just care about the quality of the service.

You'll find that is most people. But we know if we privatized it totally we'd end up with ruthless cut throat competition and one private monopoly (and we already have enough issues with du-opolies and cartels in insurance and communications in this country). I consider myself, broadly, on the centre left, but the reason I am where I am is because nobody in my group will ask "is this really the socialist thing to do / the conservative thing to do" they'll ask how it's gonna work, if it's gonna work, how much it will cost, what about this bit, what about that bit. Ideology should be a set of principles, not a cage you trap yourself in.
I oppose co-location in the health service because it's stupid and does not work, I oppose the mixed two tier health service we have cos I know single payer works better, not because it's less right wing or more left wing just.



People on here joke about people calling the CIE unions marxist or socialist, well indeed they are not, if they were they'd be in favor of the interest of the people at large not an interest group, but we know unions are a sectional interest group not unlike special interest groups that lobby for banks or employers in the sense that they want what they want for their own people not the public at large. Sure, what unions want can be in the public interest at large, is in the public interest more often than what IBEC wants, and it used to be in the public interest all the time, but unions, starting in the 70s when they got out of control in the PS and got us Thatcher, Reagan and the PDs, has kinda decayed in the last few decades and instead of being out for workers rights they de-facto, meaning to or not, protect inefficiency and sloth. That's what most people think, thats one of the reason private sector workers don't join, and that's one of many reasons why they need to be started over from scratch.


I hate the way unions are not not because I think they're getting too big a slice of cake for workers (though for some that IS true, in some parts of the PS) I don't want European pilots to be paid the way US pilots are, or any transport worker, I don't want the guy flying my plane or driving the bus I'm on or driving the train I'm careering down the track on at 100km/h worrying about money and getting his kids school books. I would like to see certain PS workers (cops, nurses, firefighters, teachers) get paid 100k a year cos that's what their jobs worth (yes, I think it is, think about where society would be without those 4, now imagine where we'd be without a broker at Irish Life or an executive at the HSE who makes way more than them), but the second I proposed tying any changes in working conditions or getting rid of outmoted or stupid working conditions to that, or better performance, I'd get an outraged "ah here!" from some of them.



Their attitude is going to destroy the concept of unions and then, contrary to what people think, labour laws won't protect us, collective power is needed, without it were f---d, but it will be gone, and if we suggest bringing it back it won't be weekends and minimum wages people picture in their heads it will be GoBe drivers being threatened for doing their job, rail strikes over new trains, blue flu over new computers and Luas drivers striking for a pay rise that was absurd even as a negotiating tactic.


What unions want and whats in workers interest is not always one in the same, remember their actions can damage not only future workers as I argue above, but other workers in other jobs with far less secure conditions.