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Will Bus Connects take cars off M50

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  • 01-10-2018 12:13pm
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    jos_kel
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    Hi,
    I currently commute from Lucan to Sandyford on the M50 by car.
    Until recently the company was in the city centre, so the bus commute was a lot less stressful.
    Will bus connect connect place like lucan, tallaght and Dublin west to Sandyford and Dublin South.
    TIA


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    Dravokivich
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    I doubt it.


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    jos_kel
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    Dravokivich wrote: »
    I doubt it.

    Would probably make too much sense


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    L1011
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    Some of the orbitals will have some impact. Citywest and the Baldonnell industrial estates get much better connected for instance


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    OldMrBrennan83
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    It will make sure mine is on the road even more now as I'll drive in to the city and use a multi storey rather than take a couple of buses in.

    For any orbital stuff or stuff out around the M50, car always. No contest.


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    Dravokivich
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    Well, the thing with Bus Connects is, that it's setup to encourage transfers. You'll be able to do that journey you were thinking of, without going to town, but you'd be doing so many transfers, you'd be better off going through town, or trying to transfer onto the Luas Greenline.


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    jos_kel
    Registered Users Posts: 429 ✭✭jos_kel


    Dravokivich wrote: »
    Well, the thing with Bus Connects is, that it's setup to encourage transfers. You'll be able to do that journey you were thinking of, without going to town, but you'd be doing so many transfers, you'd be better off going through town, or trying to transfer onto the Luas Greenline.

    Sorry I’m confused. How would this make it easier to get from Lucan to Sandyford.


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    OldMrBrennan83
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    jos_kel wrote: »
    Sorry I’m confused. How would this make it easier to get from Lucan to Sandyford.

    I think you really should have done the thread title "How will Busconnects affect getting from Lucan to Sandyford" rather than "Will Bus Connects take cars off M50".


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    cgcsb
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    jos_kel wrote: »
    Hi,
    I currently commute from Lucan to Sandyford on the M50 by car.
    Until recently the company was in the city centre, so the bus commute was a lot less stressful.
    Will bus connect connect place like lucan, tallaght and Dublin west to Sandyford and Dublin South.
    TIA

    If you are commuting from Lucan to Sandyford, Busconnects will give you the option of taking the W4 to Tallaght and the S8 to Sandyford, avoiding the City Centre entirely.

    certainly bus connects will give the car much more of a challenge as a mode for orbital journeys such as yours. I think cars for radial journeys are more less finished. Certainly under bus connects there'll be a sufficient number of car bans in the city centre to make a regular radial car commute unbearable.


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    cgcsb
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    Patww79 wrote: »
    It will make sure mine is on the road even more now as I'll drive in to the city and use a multi storey rather than take a couple of buses in.

    For any orbital stuff or stuff out around the M50, car always. No contest.

    Under bus connects, I can't see how a suburb-City Centre journey would require more than one change?

    with cars banned from the quays, Parliament st and George's st, I don't see many people sticking with the car.


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    cgcsb
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    Dravokivich wrote: »
    Well, the thing with Bus Connects is, that it's setup to encourage transfers. You'll be able to do that journey you were thinking of, without going to town, but you'd be doing so many transfers, you'd be better off going through town, or trying to transfer onto the Luas Greenline.

    he'll only need to change once in Tallaght for a Lucan-Sandyford journey.


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    OldMrBrennan83
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    cgcsb wrote: »
    Under bus connects, I can't see how a suburb-City Centre journey would require more than one change?

    with cars banned from the quays, Parliament st and George's st, I don't see many people sticking with the car.

    It won't take more than one change, it will take one change. Which is one more than it takes now so I'd rather just bring the car.


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    Dravokivich
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    cgcsb wrote: »
    he'll only need to change once in Tallaght for a Lucan-Sandyford journey.

    Depends on where. As each area is focused by local feeder routes to hubs.


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    cgcsb
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    Patww79 wrote: »
    It won't take more than one change, it will take one change. Which is one more than it takes now so I'd rather just bring the car.

    Ok, but with more and more car bans on City streets to accommodate faster buses and bicycle journeys, the length of a peak hour car trip will become unbearable for most. Also at present the NTA and DoT are considering ways to discourage such journeys, taxing companies that provide staff parking in a certain area will probably be a preferred option rather than a flat out congestion charge.


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    CatInABox
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    cgcsb wrote: »
    Ok, but with more and more car bans on City streets to accommodate faster buses and bicycle journeys, the length of a peak hour car trip will become unbearable for most. Also at present the NTA and DoT are considering ways to discourage such journeys, taxing companies that provide staff parking in a certain area will probably be a preferred option rather than a flat out congestion charge.

    I can also easily imagine that once BusConnects is bedded in, the price of parking, both on street and in multi stories will be increased. Not massively to start out with, but steadily increased over a number of years.

    Coupled with automated enforcement of bus lanes, it'll provide enough of a deterrent to make more people consider the bus.


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    dashcamdanny
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    I doubt Bus Connects will even exist. At least nothing like the current balls up they have proposed.

    And not for years.


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    cgcsb
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    dashcamdanny wrote: »
    I doubt Bus Connects will even exist. At least nothing like the current balls up they have proposed.

    And not for years.

    It's a pretty solid plan. Only a handful of notable negative consequences. 92% of commuters will retain direct buses to the City Centre, and gain improved orbital access and everyone will benefit from improved frequency. The small issues e.g. Donebate and xpresso services can easily be corrected.


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    OldMrBrennan83
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    cgcsb wrote: »
    Ok, but with more and more car bans on City streets to accommodate faster buses and bicycle journeys, the length of a peak hour car trip will become unbearable for most. Also at present the NTA and DoT are considering ways to discourage such journeys, taxing companies that provide staff parking in a certain area will probably be a preferred option rather than a flat out congestion charge.

    If they're banned they're banned fair enough, have to stick with the rules. But if they're not then I'll be in a car if at all possible once this starts.


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    jos_kel
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    cgcsb wrote: »
    If you are commuting from Lucan to Sandyford, Busconnects will give you the option of taking the W4 to Tallaght and the S8 to Sandyford, avoiding the City Centre entirely..

    Thanks, I guess it’s too early to guesstimate how long such a commute would take.
    Currently it can take 40 to 90 minutes by car depending on various factors.
    Consistency of duration would be an improvement


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    Zebra3
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    cgcsb wrote: »
    Under bus connects, I can't see how a suburb-City Centre journey would require more than one change?

    with cars banned from the quays, Parliament st and George's st, I don't see many people sticking with the car.

    There’ll always be the heroes....


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    cgcsb
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    Patww79 wrote: »
    If they're banned they're banned fair enough, have to stick with the rules. But if they're not then I'll be in a car if at all possible once this starts.

    It wont be possible to drive on the quays for a good stretch, or george's st and a whole host of other streets will have car lanes converted to bus and cycle lanes. So while your journey by car may be technically possible, the time penalty and financial penalty will be quite extensive. Why would drive a journey that can be completed quicker and cheaper by bus?


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    cgcsb
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    jos_kel wrote: »
    Thanks, I guess it’s too early to guesstimate how long such a commute would take.
    Currently it can take 40 to 90 minutes by car depending on various factors.
    Consistency of duration would be an improvement

    The Lucan to Tallaght leg of the journey should be pretty fast due to continuous bus lane. Say 15-20 mins. The Tallaght - Sandyford leg goes through some narrow roads at places, that could take about half an hour. Purely at a guess.


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    redfacedbear
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    cgcsb wrote: »
    Why would drive a journey that can be completed quicker and cheaper by bus?

    Pat is convinced that the changing of bus will make the journey by public transport untenable. Given that his interchange is Blanchardstown SC he might not be wrong - if the route re-organisation elements of BC precede the infrastructural elements/bus lanes etc.


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    cgcsb
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    redfacedbear wrote: »
    Pat is convinced that the changing of bus will make the journey by public transport untenable. Given that his interchange is Blanchardstown SC he might not be wrong - if the route re-organisation elements of BC precede the infrastructural elements/bus lanes etc.

    The suburban interchanges will likely be built first, before any road widening due to their importance and the ease with which land ownership can be dealt with compared to road widening.


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    Alkers
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    Patww79 wrote: »
    It won't take more than one change, it will take one change. Which is one more than it takes now so I'd rather just bring the car.

    What's so bad about having to change busses once?


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    doolox
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    Possibly for 10-15 minutes unless bus frequency is increased on present system.


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    Stephen15
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    Patww79 wrote: »
    It will make sure mine is on the road even more now as I'll drive in to the city and use a multi storey rather than take a couple of buses in.

    For any orbital stuff or stuff out around the M50, car always. No contest.

    You live in Dunboyne right? Just wondering why you wouldn't you use the train instead of going by bus is that not a quicker and easier option.


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    Isambard
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    the M50 will still be full of people who believe many of the other drivers should take the bus.


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    Jellybaby1
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    We regularly have to drive to Cathal Brugha St from Harold's Cross with large boxes of equipment in the car. There is no way we could take a bus. How would we be able to continue this journey if they prevent cars driving on the quays?


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    OldMrBrennan83
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    cgcsb wrote: »
    It wont be possible to drive on the quays for a good stretch, or george's st and a whole host of other streets will have car lanes converted to bus and cycle lanes. So while your journey by car may be technically possible, the time penalty and financial penalty will be quite extensive. Why would drive a journey that can be completed quicker and cheaper by bus?

    Quicker and cheaper doesn't necessarily mean better. Having a one bus trip just pushed it over the edge of being preferable to a car but not having that makes sitting in your own car a better prospect.
    Simona1986 wrote: »
    What's so bad about having to change busses once?

    Because that one change will be at Blanchardstown Center which will resemble something from a Tokyo train station.
    Stephen15 wrote: »
    You live in Dunboyne right? Just wondering why you wouldn't you use the train instead of going by bus is that not a quicker and easier option.

    The train leaves you (well me, for where I'd be going anyway) in such a place that you'd need to be finding further transport anyway.


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    cgcsb
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    Jellybaby1 wrote: »
    We regularly have to drive to Cathal Brugha St from Harold's Cross with large boxes of equipment in the car. There is no way we could take a bus. How would we be able to continue this journey if they prevent cars driving on the quays?

    Through an extensive diversion no doubt. Maybe around the canals and in via Summerhill I'd imagine.


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