Tipperary march October 2018

cordangan

There is a march in Tipperary on October 20th 2018 to highlight the unemployment and the lack of investment in Tipperary town. My question is after the march what is Tipperary town expecting. There is no agenda other than look at our poor town. What do Tipperary marchers expect to happen after October 20th ? If there is no phase 2 plan after the march why bother having a march or a day out?

The Lost Sheep

Who is organising the march?
Surely the organisers will look to be getting publicity about the issue and will be talking to local representatives and then use the publicity around the march to kick off the next phase of protest?

Purple Mountain

What is going on in the car park of Dunnes in the vacant building?
There are signs saying 'SKY Innovation'.

Einstein A. Gogo

cordangan wrote: »

There is a march in Tipperary on October 20th 2018 to highlight the unemployment and the lack of investment in Tipperary town. My question is after the march what is Tipperary town expecting. There is no agenda other than look at our poor town. What do Tipperary marchers expect to happen after October 20th ? If there is no phase 2 plan after the march why bother having a march or a day out?

So what's your solution? Just sit back and do nothing? Like the Council, Councillors and Politicians are doing?

Einstein A. Gogo

Purple Mountain wrote: »

What is going on in the car park of Dunnes in the vacant building?
There are signs saying 'SKY Innovation'.

Nothing. It's all bull**** from Alan Kelly. He's saying it has been renovated and is ready for the IDA to take it over. A quick look in the windows shows that it's bull****.

cordangan

Lets ask the question, what in your opinion is killing the town. Is it a multiple of factors? Let us look at neighboring towns that appear to be doing ok. Cashel and Cahir would be my suggestions. They both have a bypass. They both have a relatively good selection of industry. They have additional tourism with the castles. They have excellent strong organised local support groups with a good voice for their towns. Tipp has grown on the outskirts and died in the middle. Supermacs, Dunnes,Tesco,with Aldi and Lidl propping up the main street. Parking killed Wellworths along with the decentralization of the businesses and the closing down of the surrounding busineses on the main street. The buildings on the main street are in an advanced state of disrepair and I hear the rates are high for businesses but I do not have comparisons. I understand the march will highlight the problem but what do Tipp want and what are the next steps after the march for the future of Tipp town? I would like to see a strong guiding committee formed and not just a committee full of business people with their own interests but a committee genuinely after the towns and the people of the towns interests.

incentsitive

I knew it would be political point scoring of some sort at the root of it....

These are the people who vote Michael Lowry, a man who typifies the corruption and brown envelope culture of this country, and Matty McGrath, a man who stands up and talks absolute JARGON at every opportunity in the Dail. Alan Kelly, a man whose legacy will be leaving us with the bloated quango that is Irish Water.

What is killing all small towns is the lack of support from locals, online shopping, people going shopping in Dublin/Cork/Limerick/etc, and rates making starting businesses financially nonviable.

But if you are voting for the above gombeens, you reap what you sow.

cordangan

100% agree. These are the facts of what Tipp is up against. Do we stop voting, will that help, well we need a voice? Who can we rely on to make things happen? Do we vote with our conscience for the good of the country or vote for our town (parish pump politics) and be selfish to make things happen? A local native Dan Breen was once asked why did Tipp take it into their own hands to start a civil war and he declared that the people of Tipperary felt they were doing the 'right thing' for the people. I'm not inciting violence or anything of the sort but we do need a strong voice to air our requirements and make things happen. What I am asking is do we know what we want, what is the plan and how do we propose to implement this plan?

Expunge

I think a more robust approach is indeed an option! Let's call it 'direct action'.

Tipp town has been f**ked over for generations now and is in an awful state. It has been ignored by all politicians, except it's own local ones and maybe Mattie McGrath, who has delivered nothing for Tipp really.


Also, this is a fight that really should be played out in Nenagh and/or Clonmel where Tipp CO CO is headquartered. Tipp Town people need to get right in to the faces of those who actually run the council on a regular basis and make their lives very, very uncomfortable.

If nothing much happens after this march except a letting off of steam, it'll be time to up the ante and take a few ideas from the Dan Breen playbook.

This is a war for resources and Tipp Town is loosing out badly. Time for a proper fight back.

incentsitive

Expunge wrote: »

I think a more robust approach is indeed an option! Let's call it 'direct action'.

Tipp town has been f**ked over for generations now and is in an awful state. It has been ignored by all politicians, except it's own local ones and maybe Mattie McGrath, who has delivered nothing for Tipp really.


Also, this is a fight that really should be played out in Nenagh and/or Clonmel where Tipp CO CO is headquartered. Tipp Town people need to get right in to the faces of those who actually run the council on a regular basis and make their lives very, very uncomfortable.

If nothing much happens after this march except a letting off of steam, it'll be time to up the ante and take a few ideas from the Dan Breen playbook.

This is a war for resources and Tipp Town is loosing out badly. Time for a proper fight back.

Plenty of threats, not 1 reasonable proposal......what exactly should happen?

Expunge

incentsitive wrote: »

Plenty of threats, not 1 reasonable proposal......what exactly should happen?

I'd rather not say here. Something spectacular. It's time for making headlines

cordangan

Purple Mountain wrote: »

What is going on in the car park of Dunnes in the vacant building?
There are signs saying 'SKY Innovation'.

I heard that this area is now on the IDA books for development now whereas before one would have to go through a lot of red tape to put a business in place. Interesting on 2 notes ....Did the proposed march in October push this development on and is this development just another pie in the sky as earlier suggested?

Purple Mountain

cordangan wrote: »

I heard that this area is now on the IDA books for development now whereas before one would have to go through a lot of red tape to put a business in place. Interesting on 2 notes ....Did the proposed march in October push this development on and is this development just another pie in the sky as earlier suggested?

There seemed to be cars and people around there last week.

incentsitive

Expunge wrote: »

I'd rather not say here. Something spectacular. It's time for making headlines

So, basically you don't have a ******g clue but want to rant about something?

Expunge

incentsitive wrote: »

So, basically you don't have a ******g clue but want to rant about something?

Look mate, your great insight seems to be to urge people not to vote for gombeens. How has that worked out so far in the history of the Irish State?

I'm urging you and people like you to turn it up many, many knotches from there.
If you don't want to, fine. You can go back to lecturing people about their voting habits instead.

incentsitive

So what are you proposing then, thrashing half of Tipperary town to show your outrage? Why don't you tell us what you are on about instead of waffling about voting habits, etc.

Expunge

incentsitive wrote: »

So what are you proposing then, thrashing half of Tipperary town to show your outrage? Why don't you tell us what you are on about instead of waffling about voting habits, etc.

With respect, friend, it was your good self who was tut tutting about voting for gombeens and pulling your pud about shopping on Amazon.
If thrashing is required, and it may well be, Tipp town is not the place for it - Nenagh and Clonmel would be better.
Think of the success of the Water Charges protests.
Disruption on the doorsteps of those who matter might get somewhere.
The March4Tipp is fine and all but it's way past time for just a few marches.

Anyway, unfortunately Tipp town already looks like it's been thrashed.

digzy

To be fair to the organizers, they've set out their 'wish-list'.

1. Grant 'deis' status to the primary schools
2. Council change the plan to remove parking spaces for residents on the limerick road (davitt st)
3.Bypass
4. Sort out the roads within 6 months
5.establish a task force to deal with the unemployment (34% V 7% nationally)
6.maintain the recreation centre
7.keep the mount sion open
8. 2 hour free parking
9. Council maintain the listed buildings

Some of it's achievable. some of it is pie in the sky.

Cant fault the organisers. There's a real sense of disillusionment in the town. The closure of wellworths seems to have been the final straw..

Purple Mountain

^^ Do they want a bypass or not want one?

digzy

Einstein A. Gogo wrote: »

Nothing. It's all bull**** from Alan Kelly. He's saying it has been renovated and is ready for the IDA to take it over. A quick look in the windows shows that it's bull****.

Alan kelly seems to be the 'fall guy' for everything....
Honestly think most of it is from the ' we wont pay, you pay for us' brigade from the irish water debacle.
Dunno anything about the sky park. Think its just a mr price warehouse.

But why should none of the other public reps get mentioned ? *

*I'm not a kelly voter

digzy

Purple Mountain wrote: »

^^ Do they want a bypass or not want one?

Want a bypass that was planned out a decade ago. it was from bansha to pallasgreen.

Then the crash came.....

A few years back there was a mini bypass proposed that'd go from the royal hotel to connect with the 'supermacs' roundabout.

The residents of canon hayes park and other areas objected and the councillors voted against it too.

personally, I think it should've gone ahead

Purple Mountain

I would have thought they'd argue that a bypass would take all the business from the town.

digzy

Purple Mountain wrote: »

I would have thought they'd argue that a bypass would take all the business from the town.

Dont think anybody is of that opinion.

Place is choked up, roads are in sh1t

tipptown78

While I have some sympathy for the people of Tipperary Town, the protest hasn't a hope of getting some of those things listed on their wishlist.

1. Grant 'deis' status to the primary schools.
This is probably the most achievable item.

2. Council change the plan to remove parking spaces for residents on the limerick road (davitt st).
This decision was made 2/3 years ago, when the decision was made was the time to protest, not when the tender is gone out.

3.Bypass
I doubt will happen in any of our lifetimes. No mention in the Ireland 2040 plan so its a dead duck.

4. Sort out the roads within 6 months
The tender process alone would take 6 months

5.establish a task force to deal with the unemployment (34% V 7% nationally)
If you or I was setting up a business, would you choose Tipperary Town when Limerick is 20 minutes in the road? Lets call a spade a spade, the population in Tipperary Town wouldn't be classed as skilled workers. The best they could hope for is a monotonous assembly line or a call centre.

6.maintain the recreation centre
The Canon Hayes Centre doesn't exactly help itself, when other facilities/gyms opened in the town, it showed people what should be expected. I know the centre itself is an excellent facility to have in any town but it cannot keep relying on hand outs. If I was running a business that wasn't viable, I wouldn't expect funding left, right and centre to keep it going

7.keep the mount sion open
The last I heard there was 6 residents in the building. I can only imagine the cost of staffing the place as well as maintaining it. The residents would probably be better off relocated to other residential care facilities.

8. 2 hour free parking
It will never happen. If the council agreed to it, it would only open a can of worms and every other town would demand the same.

9. Council maintain the listed buildings
Why should the council? Why shouldn’t the owners be held responsible? The council already offer grant funding under the Built Heritage Investment Scheme and Structures at Risk fund for maintenance of protected structures as well as other funding available from the Heritage Council.

cordangan

tipptown 78 that is a very sobering analysis for the proposed march.

1. Grant 'deis' status to the primary schools.
This is probably the most achievable item.
(I had to look up what deis was and if this is the most achievable item from this list then a march is a bit of an overkill perhaps?)

2. Council change the plan to remove parking spaces for residents on the limerick road (davitt st).
This decision was made 2/3 years ago, when the decision was made was the time to protest, not when the tender is gone out.
(I agree the protest delay is against the residents but how many are actual homeowners there now? Was there proper notification offered to residents and were they given a proper platform to raise their concerns....or was it steamrolled through....there MAY be an outlet here but homework needs to be done in advance of the request).

3.Bypass
I doubt will happen in any of our lifetimes. No mention in the Ireland 2040 plan so its a dead duck.
(I agree here with you. Original proposal in 'tiger times' were 3 route ways and property bought and sold as developers gambled on final selection. Latest mini bypass would seriously affect the long established Canon Hayes park residents. The mini-bypass is an offering that not many living in the park find acceptable.) There is no known alternative so take it or leave it. Probably linked to the parking in that the flow of traffic is so poor that parking areas are severely curtailed. Funny observation last week when lights faild and traffic flowed far smoother with drivers been more courteous.)

4. Sort out the roads within 6 months
The tender process alone would take 6 months.
(Only for the bicycle race coming through the town the roads would be worse. Again Tipp has no voice. Need a proper plan for continuous road repairs not just a once off road repair 6 months after the October march. Cannot be marching every 6 months).

5.establish a task force to deal with the unemployment (34% V 7% nationally)
If you or I was setting up a business, would you choose Tipperary Town when Limerick is 20 minutes in the road? Lets call a spade a spade, the population in Tipperary Town wouldn't be classed as skilled workers. The best they could hope for is a monotonous assembly line or a call centre.
(35% is incredible in this day. I would like to see the breakdown as to whether it is through disability or not. Employers cannot get enough workers whether it is skilled or non-skilled right now. This is a rot that only the people themselves can work as a community to overcome. Task force essential and there should be steady stepped targets set for the force. The task force selection would be key to the success).

6.maintain the recreation centre
The Canon Hayes Centre doesn't exactly help itself, when other facilities/gyms opened in the town, it showed people what should be expected. I know the centre itself is an excellent facility to have in any town but it cannot keep relying on hand outs. If I was running a business that wasn't viable, I wouldn't expect funding left, right and centre to keep it going.
(Brilliant facility. The local towns and villages invested in indoor and outdoor football/tennis and Gym facilities. Take the Gym as an example. Why is it cheaper/better to set up you own gym in a rural village than offer the operator a chance to take a share in an already established Gym. Is it bureaucracy or is it insurance or a committee that has seen the rise of all these external facilities at great costs and sat on their hands and done nothing? I remember booking well in advance the main hall or hoping for a cancellation whereas now it is so rarely used. A viewing gallery and no events arranged to view. Rant over).

7.keep the mount sion open
The last I heard there was 6 residents in the building. I can only imagine the cost of staffing the place as well as maintaining it. The residents would probably be better off relocated to other residential care facilities.
(If this is the case then review the accounts and present to task force to come up with alternative plan within an agreed time or this is doomed to close...simple).

8. 2 hour free parking
It will never happen. If the council agreed to it, it would only open a can of worms and every other town would demand the same.
(I say open the can of worms. The council have watched long enough the towns demise. Do the council have a long term/short term plan or do they wing it? I'd love to see what the plan was from 2015 onward - was the plan realistic and what projects were realised from that plan in that time period?) If the council are elected by the people for a voice in how the town is run then why is there a march? Have they run out of ideas or have all their plans fell on deaf ears and they have no power?)

9. Council maintain the listed buildings
Why should the council? Why shouldn’t the owners be held responsible? The council already offer grant funding under the Built Heritage Investment Scheme and Structures at Risk fund for maintenance of protected structures as well as other funding available from the Heritage Council.
(I agree. I think the council should have a say on how our town is maintained and if they do not own the building then they should pressure the owners to maintain the building. Huge problem everywhere on ownership responsibilities and buying with no intention to develop. The fact that council reps do not have a say is disappointing.)

Einstein A. Gogo

cordangan wrote: »

Lets ask th I would like to see a strong guiding committee formed and not just a committee full of business people with their own interests but a committee genuinely after the towns and the people of the towns interests.

You seem to have a strong opinion so why not geta involved instead of hurling from the ditch?

Einstein A. Gogo

cordangan wrote: »

Purple Mountain wrote: »

What is going on in the car park of Dunnes in the vacant building?
There are signs saying 'SKY Innovation'.

I heard that this area is now on the IDA books for development now whereas before one would have to go through a lot of red tape to put a business in place. Interesting on 2 notes ....Did the proposed march in October push this development on and is this development just another pie in the sky as earlier suggested?

A simple look at the IDA website and a look in the windows of the premises shows that most of what Alan Kelly said during the week is totally untrue. It's shocking how he's misleading the people of Tipperary.

cordangan

Einstein A. Gogo wrote: »

You seem to have a strong opinion so why not geta involved instead of hurling from the ditch?

This is an action group full of positive people as they should be. I admire their efforts and the fact that they are investing their spare time in this cause for our town is a measure of their commitment. I admire that they have taken a huge first step in seeking recognition for the town. I do question the 9 'demands' outlined in their leaflet and query what is the next phase when most of the demands are not met. I'm not a politician or affiliated to any particular party, I'm not part of any working committee and my working schedule does not give me the time that an action group deserves. I will take time off to support the march and jump off the ditch at 2 o clock on October 20th.
I've seen many new people join groups with with great intentions but no power within the group and after years in the group they are consumed by the politics and have forgotten the reasons why they joined to make a difference. I hope this action group do not give up. I would like to see a strong leader within the action group rise up for the people of the town and give Tipp town a voice that will be heard. I want to see a workable, progressive and responsible long term plan put in place for the town. Having said all that if the people come out and march for their town and demonstrate that they want a change ....I will seriously consider taking a vested interest.....so good question

Einstein A. Gogo

incentsitive wrote: »

I knew it would be political point scoring of some sort at the root of it....

These are the people who vote Michael Lowry, a man who typifies the corruption and brown envelope culture of this country, and Matty McGrath, a man who stands up and talks absolute JARGON at every opportunity in the Dail. Alan Kelly, a man whose legacy will be leaving us with the bloated quango that is Irish Water.

What is killing all small towns is the lack of support from locals, online shopping, people going shopping in Dublin/Cork/Limerick/etc, and rates making starting businesses financially nonviable.

But if you are voting for the above gombeens, you reap what you sow.

Spoken like a true Fine Gaeler. There's three FG councillors from Tipp and they've done absolutely nothing to improve the town.

digzy

Einstein A. Gogo wrote: »

Spoken like a true Fine Gaeler. There's three FG councillors from Tipp and they've done absolutely nothing to improve the town.

What has Mattie mc grath and Seamus Healy done for tipp town?

digzy

digzy wrote: »

What has Mattie mc grath and Seamus Healy done for tipp town?

You could ask what are the people of Tipperary town doing for their town? Why are shops and businesses closing? Is it because they’re not being supported?

notharrypotter

digzy wrote: »

What has Mattie mc grath and Seamus Healy done for tipp town?

SFA:mad:

Purple Mountain

Anyone go?

The Lost Sheep

incentsitive wrote: »

I knew it would be political point scoring of some sort at the root of it....

These are the people who vote Michael Lowry, a man who typifies the corruption and brown envelope culture of this country, and Matty McGrath, a man who stands up and talks absolute JARGON at every opportunity in the Dail. Alan Kelly, a man whose legacy will be leaving us with the bloated quango that is Irish Water.

What is killing all small towns is the lack of support from locals, online shopping, people going shopping in Dublin/Cork/Limerick/etc, and rates making starting businesses financially nonviable.

But if you are voting for the above gombeens, you reap what you sow.

i dont think Kelly is a gombeen. Actually is a very good politician and while he'll be forever linked to IW he shouldnt get the criticism over it that he does. Who exactly would you be voting for?
Small towns do need support from locals but what are businesses doing to attract people in? Thurles/Nenagh/Clonmel all have those issues yet are are doing ok.

cordangan wrote: »

100% agree. These are the facts of what Tipp is up against. Do we stop voting, will that help, well we need a voice? Who can we rely on to make things happen? Do we vote with our conscience for the good of the country or vote for our town (parish pump politics) and be selfish to make things happen? A local native Dan Breen was once asked why did Tipp take it into their own hands to start a civil war and he declared that the people of Tipperary felt they were doing the 'right thing' for the people. I'm not inciting violence or anything of the sort but we do need a strong voice to air our requirements and make things happen. What I am asking is do we know what we want, what is the plan and how do we propose to implement this plan?

Not voting doesnt help anyone. Im not sure people know what they want so cant plan.

Expunge wrote: »

I think a more robust approach is indeed an option! Let's call it 'direct action'.

Tipp town has been f**ked over for generations now and is in an awful state. It has been ignored by all politicians, except it's own local ones and maybe Mattie McGrath, who has delivered nothing for Tipp really.

Also, this is a fight that really should be played out in Nenagh and/or Clonmel where Tipp CO CO is headquartered. Tipp Town people need to get right in to the faces of those who actually run the council on a regular basis and make their lives very, very uncomfortable.

If nothing much happens after this march except a letting off of steam, it'll be time to up the ante and take a few ideas from the Dan Breen playbook.

This is a war for resources and Tipp Town is losing out badly. Time for a proper fight back.

What is this proper fight back? Tipp town people can go to Nenagh/Clonmel and protest but the chamber of commerce etc and businesses in town themselves need to change/adapt things for real improvement to happen.

kurtainsider

Purple Mountain wrote: »

Anyone go?

I was there. There was a very good turnout but I wasn't impressed with the speaker. I felt that the pitch was for more handouts - deis/ dole etc and less emphasis on urging the gov/IDA to get some decent employment into the town.
He lost me when he trotted out the lazy old "children going to school without a breakfast" line which is 100% the fault of negligent parenting and not something that any minister can be responsible for.

100% for local support and turnout.
10% for inter-cert debating level grasp of reality by the speaker. Just one more opportunity pissed away for poor old Tipp.

digzy

kurtainsider wrote: »

I was there. There was a very good turnout but I wasn't impressed with the speaker. I felt that the pitch was for more handouts - deis/ dole etc and less emphasis on urging the gov/IDA to get some decent employment into the town.
He lost me when he trotted out the lazy old "children going to school without a breakfast" line which is 100% the fault of negligent parenting and not something that any minister can be responsible for.

100% for local support and turnout.
10% for inter-cert debating level grasp of reality by the speaker. Just one more opportunity pissed away for poor old Tipp.

Think that’s a bit harsh tbh. Thought Padraig spoke well. Very hard to see where things go from here though.
It’s been outlined already how many of the ‘demands’ are achievable.

It’s tough to call it. What exactly can the state do?
I’d agree re the ‘no breakfast’ rubbish being down to poor parenting. Though I think that’s one of the benefits of deis status.

Re the politicians, what exactly will they do now that they haven’t already done? They may be a lot of things but they’re not idiots. They know what’s required.

Retail is challenging in any rural town. Especially so in tipp with the ‘social deprivation’ there.
Think it’s a bit ‘chicken or egg’ regards what comes first, employment or lower Main Street commercial vacancies.

Personally, I believe that there should be at least 1 hour free parking put in place. Free parking would be a disaster.

kurtainsider

kurtainsider wrote: »

I was there. There was a very good turnout but I wasn't impressed with the speaker. I felt that the pitch was for more handouts - deis/ dole etc and less emphasis on urging the gov/IDA to get some decent employment into the town.
He lost me when he trotted out the lazy old "children going to school without a breakfast" line which is 100% the fault of negligent parenting and not something that any minister can be responsible for.

100% for local support and turnout.
10% for inter-cert debating level grasp of reality by the speaker. Just one more opportunity pissed away for poor old Tipp.

And -50% for making me miss half the match in Thomson’s Park 😾

by8auj6csd3ioq

What is the comment about children going to school with no breakfast,how is it due to poor parenting? Are they saying they can't afford breakfast.

i only know tipp to pass through mostly. What is the attitude of staff like. A man on Prime Time said about another town and his business you cannot expect people to go in just because you are there. He changed his approach and made new products available. I think it was a restaurant, he offered a different menu and was interested in his customers

I do not say this of tipp town as i have very little experience but in a big city i bought something and needed to ask the girl on the till about it but she did not even get off the phone while i was paying her. She gave the impression i was interrupting her call. i see that a lot now in a lot of places , people leaning on the counter reading a phone and give the impression they are not interested. i would not go in somewhere like that

Isn't there a free car park at lidl? And lidl is in the centre of town as i recall

kurtainsider

In my view the town started to sink when the council decided, in their wisdom, to pave over the Market Yard and draw lines on it and introduce paid parking some years ago. Before that the market yard was a large gravel area where you could just park the car and go about your business. Now you have to find the change, go to the machine etc. etc. It might appear trivial but it doesn't take a lot of this petty aggravation to drive people out to Tesco or Dunnes where you park your car and just go and do your shopping. Lidl introduced a bull**** barrier system for parking a few years ago but dropped it almost immediately when (presumably) they discovered that people just left them at it and did their shopping somewhere where all this docketry wasn't required. Of course the council persists with the paid parking as it's no skin off their nose when people vote with their feet and tell them to shove their pay and display. The local businesses are however devastated.

kurtainsider

digzy wrote: »

Think that’s a bit harsh tbh. Thought Padraig spoke well. Very hard to see where things go from here though.
It’s been outlined already how many of the ‘demands’ are achievable.

It’s tough to call it. What exactly can the state do?
I’d agree re the ‘no breakfast’ rubbish being down to poor parenting. Though I think that’s one of the benefits of deis status.

Re the politicians, what exactly will they do now that they haven’t already done? They may be a lot of things but they’re not idiots. They know what’s required.

Retail is challenging in any rural town. Especially so in tipp with the ‘social deprivation’ there.
Think it’s a bit ‘chicken or egg’ regards what comes first, employment or lower Main Street commercial vacancies.

Personally, I believe that there should be at least 1 hour free parking put in place. Free parking would be a disaster.

Walking up the main street today just highlighted to me the level of vacancies in Tipperary. Would it be an exaggeration to say that for every premises conducting business that 4 or 5 are vacant?

Kitty6277

I think Tipp need a factory or some sort of industry. That way, when people are earning money, they'll have more money to spend in the town and we may not see the number of shops closing that we have in recent times. That'll be a start at least

digzy

Kitty6277 wrote: »

I think Tipp need a factory or some sort of industry. That way, when people are earning money, they'll have more money to spend in the town and we may not see the number of shops closing that we have in recent times. That'll be a start at least

That’s the crux of the issue.
Unfortunately the days of ‘factories ‘ setting up in first world countries seem numbered. Need a higher end operation .... but is there a workforce there for that???

digzy

kurtainsider wrote: »

Walking up the main street today just highlighted to me the level of vacancies in Tipperary. Would it be an exaggeration to say that for every premises conducting business that 4 or 5 are vacant?

Dunno. I’d put it at 1 in 4 trading.... which is very bleak

Kitty6277

digzy wrote: »

That’s the crux of the issue.
Unfortunately the days of ‘factories ‘ setting up in first world countries seem numbered. Need a higher end operation .... but is there a workforce there for that???

34% unemployment would make me think so.


That's assuming that most of that 34% is people who are actually able to work.

digzy

Kitty6277 wrote: »

34% unemployment would make me think so.


That's assuming that most of that 34% is people who are actually able to work.

There's a fair proportion of people there who will never work. It doesn't pay them given the state supports available.
I know it's easy blame the 'gubberment' for everything, but they've created a situation where living on benefits is a viable way of life....but that's another days argument.

tipptown78

Kitty6277 wrote: »

34% unemployment would make me think so.


That's assuming that most of that 34% is people who are actually able to work.

Or assuming most of the 34% even want to work! (I'm not saying everyone doesn't want to work but you can be damn sure there's a nice chunk of that 34% have no interest in finding employment).

There's plenty of work available, just because its not on your doorstep is no excuse.

Amneal in Cashel, Boston Scientific and Abbot in Clonmel, Vistakon and Northern Trust in Limerick are all within a half hour of Tipperary Town and are all hiring at present, with buses going to Limerick and Cashel each morning before 9am.

I don't buy all this tripe of pay parking causing all the problems. Aldi is free (for 2 hours) if you purchase something in store (don't know if this is enforced), Lidl is free (for 2 hours) if you purchase something in store (again I don't know if this is enforced), Supervalu is free, the car park at the Bansha Road roundabout is free for 2 hours at the front and all day at the back, the post office car park is free all day.

When you drive through the town on any given day of the week, its virtually impossible get a (legal) on-street parking space on James Street, Main Street, Bank Place, Kickham Place and Bridge Street. If pay parking was such a big issue, wouldn't all these spaces be empty?

It's time the retailers decided on some initiatives to encourage people into town. In recent years, either Cashel or Clonmel retailers decided to reimburse people their parking charge if they spent a certain amount in their stores. The town has a Chamber of Commerce which has run one promotion in my living memory (Let's Get Tipp Buzzing or something to that effect.

cordangan

The turnout for the march was very good and the weather helped. Not preparing for such a turnout was a mistake as this was a time to rouse the crowd and set the next march date with an even bigger march. The speech was reserved in my view with sporadic 'respectful' clapping of hands. The crowd were listening with intent at the start of the speech but the crowd were well distracted (chatting loudly among themselves) at the end of the speech. I thought the speaker spoke well but it was very much tongue in cheek and more like a festival speech than a rallying cry. I mean no disrespect this, I could do no better myself, this is constructive criticism.
Points were made and repeated attacks on Joe McGrath in reference to road maintenance and traffic flow/parking decisions were well made. I spoke to people in the crowd who were not happy that some businesses remained open but this is what this march is about, keeping businesses open. Not all businesses have a staff that can run the business while the staff/bosses are marching. The 'bubble' that the decision makers in Dublin are enveloped in could have been elaborated upon where people feel that what is happening in Dublin is a form of bullying. Dublin make the decisions and Tipperary do as you are told.
Local chamber of commerce and jobs for Tipp groups were mentioned. Most in the crowd do not know who are the people involved in these committees so get out there and introduce yourselves to the people, get on the ground and meet greet people with leaflets in the retail premises and stop them and talk to them. Very few people buying newspapers now, less and less going to mass and the pub meeting place for discussions is resigned to history. I have no doubt that they do great work but if they want the people's backing then go to the schools and businesses and walk the streets where you can thank them in person for shopping in our town and let them know how hard you work for the town. There are some great people in that crowd that are not on Facebook that could help your cause with a little encouragement.
The 2 week ultimatum given (Town needs to see action in 2 weeks to the demands) was not what I was expecting and the crowd, in my opinion, did not seem to 'believe' that anything could be done in 2 weeks so interesting if the students in the town will see October 20th as a turning point for the town.
Skeptical as all this may appear, did not a Kerry village with a community of 200 get the decision to close a post office overturned just last week by coming together and lobbying the politicians? This should have been said to give those at the march hope and assurance that what they are marching for can be achieved if we continue to stick together in all kinds of weather.

cordangan

tipptown78 wrote: »

Or assuming most of the 34% even want to work! (I'm not saying everyone doesn't want to work but you can be damn sure there's a nice chunk of that 34% have no interest in finding employment).

There's plenty of work available, just because its not on your doorstep is no excuse.

Amneal in Cashel, Boston Scientific and Abbot in Clonmel, Vistakon and Northern Trust in Limerick are all within a half hour of Tipperary Town and are all hiring at present, with buses going to Limerick and Cashel each morning before 9am.

I don't buy all this tripe of pay parking causing all the problems. Aldi is free (for 2 hours) if you purchase something in store (don't know if this is enforced), Lidl is free (for 2 hours) if you purchase something in store (again I don't know if this is enforced), Supervalu is free, the car park at the Bansha Road roundabout is free for 2 hours at the front and all day at the back, the post office car park is free all day.

When you drive through the town on any given day of the week, its virtually impossible get a (legal) on-street parking space on James Street, Main Street, Bank Place, Kickham Place and Bridge Street. If pay parking was such a big issue, wouldn't all these spaces be empty?

It's time the retailers decided on some initiatives to encourage people into town. In recent years, either Cashel or Clonmel retailers decided to reimburse people their parking charge if they spent a certain amount in their stores. The town has a Chamber of Commerce which has run one promotion in my living memory (Let's Get Tipp Buzzing or something to that effect.

I agree there is plenty of work around, the question is why not in Tipperary town? Why do Tippeary people face these treks every morning?.
Aldi do clamp cars and have done so. I do not know if Lidl have actually enforced the clamping but I do know they once put up barriers and lost loads of custom.
Car parking would not be a problem if the bypass went ahead and closing lanes by council decisions on bridge street does not make it any easier. Why should the people parking on the main street beside shops suffer when the clear solution is a bypass? This is a town built in the middle of a hill where it is not possible for all elderly shoppers (probably our most loyal shoppers) to walk the hills to the parking spots.

Kitty6277

digzy wrote: »

There's a fair proportion of people there who will never work. It doesn't pay them given the state supports available.
I know it's easy blame the 'gubberment' for everything, but they've created a situation where living on benefits is a viable way of life....but that's another days argument.

I see your point, we need to incentiveise people to work, to the point where sitting on your arse all day will earn you less than working, but that's a whole of Ireland problem rather than a specific Tipp town one.


However, I can't believe that everyone who's unemployed in Tipp just couldn't be bothered working. From the people I know, they spent ages looking for work and couldn't get anything. A large amount of that 34% might be the type to never work a day in their life and be happy about it, but maybe if they had the option to work they'd go and try it? (Obviously they could travel to work as another poster said, but I think those kinds of people would need a job on their doorstep for them to consider it). Although that's probably just wishful thinking.

Paddico

Good interview on the Sky Innovation park in Tipp Town

Paddico

Good interview on the Sky Innovation park in Tipp Town