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Assisted Suicide

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    Graces7 wrote: »
    Look up Liverpool Pathway and the various reactions to it. Any such plan is so easily abused. And was. I am deeply suspicious of old folk being given end of life injections" to make it easier for them"
    Dr. Murad Jacob Kevorkian (May 26, 1928 – June 3, 2011) was an American pathologist and euthanasia proponent in Michigan. Convicted of murder in 1999. Anti-euthanasia media and citizens called him Dr. Death. The debate about his actions continues, depending upon your position.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,533 ✭✭✭ 54and56


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Look up Liverpool Pathway and the various reactions to it. Any such plan is so easily abused. And was. I am deeply suspicious of old folk being given end of life injections" to make it easier for them"

    My view is that the benefit to all of having control, should they so choose, over the end of their life, outweighs the mitigated (but nevertheless potential) risk of abuse to the few.

    If I ever get a horrible terminal illness like motor neurone disease I would take great comfort from the fact that I could choose to avoid the final and most painful inevitable descent into death and not have to put my family through that torture also.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,290 Mod ✭✭✭✭ mzungu


    There are, rightly, very stringent checks and balances in countries that facilitate assisted dying. There is no "easy" way to abuse such a system.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,134 ✭✭✭✭ Graces7


    A dog or a horse cannot choose. We can and many do.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,134 ✭✭✭✭ Graces7


    I honestly could never ever ask anyone to help me in suicide. It is a huge burden to put on someone.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,533 ✭✭✭ 54and56


    Maybe put yourself in the shoes of someone terminally ill who is desperate to put an end to their pain but isn't physically able to complete the task themselves?

    In that scenario would you still view it as a burden on yourself to be asked rather than an opportunity to help someone you love in their greatest moment of need?

    I can't ever imagine asking someone to help me if I found myself in a situation where I wanted to commit suicide due to being terminally ill but if I did I'd ask the person who loved me most and would hope they'd do the same should the roles be reversed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,134 ✭✭✭✭ Graces7


    You are asking re killing someone. No. Nor would I or will I ever ask that of anyone for myself. That is too great a burden.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,533 ✭✭✭ 54and56


    Easy enough to take the high road when you haven't walked in the shoes of someone dying of unbearable terminal pain.



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    Across the pond the State of Oregon has provisions for this form of treatment. But it is considered a last resort, after the exhaustion of all other forms of medical and psychological treatment. There are provisions elsewhere, too, and have been studied. One of many sources:

    Gerson, SM, el al, Assisted Dying and Palliative Care in Three Jurisdictions: Flanders, Oregon, and Quebec. Annuals of Palliative Medicine 10(3), 3528-3539, 2021.

    MOD: We can study, source, and discuss assisted suicide on this forum in general, but we must be cautious not to encourage it for specific persons we know. That falls under giving medical advice, which is against this site’s rules.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,134 ✭✭✭✭ Graces7


    Aah but you have no idea about my life experiences. You really don't and just ? assume that because my decisions do not agree with yours that that is so. All my life decisions are arrived at though long hard experience . There have been times of greatr temptation. GREAT temptation but I know I made the right choices to endure and survive. And would do again . And no not "easy".

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,533 ✭✭✭ 54and56


    My only reference was "unbearable terminal pain" which I hope you are not equating your experiences to.

    I'm arguing someone with unbearable terminal pain should, in a fully informed and medically validated manner, be allowed to choose to avoid such a horrible and undignified death.

    I'm NOT talking about other scenarios where someone might feel compelled or heavily tempted to commit suicide and in fact I would argue we need to do more as a society to help people reach out and seek help for whatever problems they are having long before it gets to a point where they are contemplating suicide.

    There is however no equivalence between someone who desperately wants to live but is terminally ill and doesn't want to die in a painful and undignified manner and someone who might have a very troubling but not life threatening issue to deal with. IMHO one deserves the right to choose the manner and timing of their death whereas the other person needs support and counselling and whatever else may be required to help them deal with the non life threatening problems they face.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,134 ✭✭✭✭ Graces7


    You do not know me or what I have endured or done or not done in my long life . Easy to point a finger ... I speak with experience not theory and having the deepest respect for human life and the law is not " taking the high road" . Many in extremis later are thankful someone did not facilitate suicide.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,533 ✭✭✭ 54and56


    Three observations:-

    1. What about those who have to suffer later than necessary and at the end of their torture would have been thankful if someone had been allowed to facilitate their suicide?
    2. Although some in extremis later may be thankful someone did not facilitate their suicide there are also many who's suicide was facilitated are were glad to have had that option.
    3. If those in extremis who later were thankful someone did not facilitate their suicide had in fact been facilitated they wouldn't have any later regrets as they'd be dead.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,134 ✭✭✭✭ Graces7


    Casuistry.

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