Are you an moron?

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Currently on zero charge. Waiting half an hour. Two Nissan leafs parked in both charging spots. Not charging, just parked.

They’re not your personal f***ing parking spots. They’re CHARGING spots.

I’m getting absolutely sick of this. It’s not even worth it anymore.

Miley Byrne

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Currently on zero charge. Waiting half an hour. Two Nissan leafs parked in both charging spots. Not charging, just parked.

They’re not your personal fûcking parking spots. They’re CHARGING spots.

I’m getting absolutely sick of this. It’s not even worth it anymore.

I'd love to see a pic of these morons OP:mad:

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Miley Byrne wrote: »

I'd love to see a pic of these morons OP:mad:

Unfortunately I didn’t take one. I should have. I should have written a strongly written note and stuck them to their windows. I managed to park around the back of the charger kind of up on a bank and the charger just about reached. Still raging though.

Sabre Man

They weren't even plugged in?

kennethsmyth

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Currently on zero charge. Waiting half an hour. Two Nissan leafs parked in both charging spots. Not charging, just parked.

They’re not your personal fûcking parking spots. They’re CHARGING spots.

I’m getting absolutely sick of this. It’s not even worth it anymore.

What charger / where was this?

B-D-P--

an moron??

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

B-D-P-- wrote: »

an moron??

The ironing is delicious

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: »

The ironing is delicious

Indeed ;-)

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

B-D-P-- wrote: »

an moron??

God damnit :pac:

unkel

So what charger / where was this?

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

unkel wrote: »

So what charger / where was this?

Circle K garage Ballysimon Road limerick. There’s a wait no matter where you go in the city. It’s getting ridiculous now.

odetooi

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Circle K garage Ballysimon Road limerick. There’s a wait no matter where you go in the city. It’s getting ridiculous now.

This is Ireland my friend. Expect it to get worse then a little better and finally a lot worse.

Some sort of new tax might sort it out

unkel

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Circle K garage Ballysimon Road limerick. There’s a wait no matter where you go in the city. It’s getting ridiculous now.

Fast charger, right? And neither was plugged into the CHAdeMO so not charging?

Should have taken a picture and shamed them here in public

(Different story on a slow charger. You can't expect to wait for one of those as they were designed as destination charger where you leave your car for the whole day or even overnight)

gally74

unkel wrote: »

Fast charger, right? And neither was plugged into the CHAdeMO so not charging?

Should have taken a picture and shamed them here in public

(Different story on a slow charger. You can't expect to wait for one of those as they were designed as destination charger where you leave your car for the whole day or even overnight)

I think the network is collapsing, opened an e v a year now, impossible now to get a charge on the network,

unkel

gally74 wrote: »

I think the network is collapsing, opened an e v a year now, impossible now to get a charge on the network,

Thankfully we are getting a brand new network :cool:

Minimum 6 chargers per location, you have to pay for charging, but the rates are very reasonable.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

unkel wrote: »

Fast charger, right? And neither was plugged into the CHAdeMO so not charging?

Should have taken a picture and shamed them here in public

(Different story on a slow charger. You can't expect to wait for one of those as they were designed as destination charger where you leave your car for the whole day or even overnight)

Yeah I needed the fast charger. Ended up getting the normal one and waiting longer.

In my opinion it’s far too soon for EVs. The infrastructure isn’t there right now. I’m seriously looking at diesel again next year and then hopefully coming back when you can actually charge your car.

Everywhere I go, vans parked in EV spaces, abandoned leafs with no sign of owners around and broken chargers. We got a new charger in Tipp Town about a year ago, it’s never worked. Not even once.

flatty

At least get petrol. You should read up on the damage diesel particulates do to people before buying, and before the diesel nazis start jumping up and down about how clean and safe they are these days, yes, they are cleaner when new, but in ten years time when they are being run round as a 300k Hackney cab, they will bebilging effluent into the systems of all men women and especially children in the vicinity. Should be banned. Would be if politicians weren't cowards.

unkel

Hunky Monster wrote: »

In my opinion it’s far too soon for EVs. The infrastructure isn’t there right now.

That's a bit of a dismissive statement. There are already budget 64kWh EVs with 500km range. Most will rarely / never use the public charging network. Many current EV owners, even those whose cars have less than 100km range, never use the network

And for those of us who do sometimes do need the network as our batteries are limited (mine is the only family car we have and it only has 28kWh), there is a new high end uncongested superfast network coming. 3 planning permissions have already been lodged. This is not pie in the sky.

And we all know the massive benefits of having EVs. From a personal / owner point of view and for society as a whole

The Bishop Basher

unkel wrote: »

And we all know the massive benefits of having EVs. From a personal / owner point of view and for society as a whole

As someone who’s driven diesel for years and will quite happily make the leap to EV when budget allows and the time is right but for now, I’m struggling to see the benefits from a personal owner point of view..

Every time I read one of these threads it confirms for me how far away we are from EV as mainstream and what a pain in the ass it can potentially be to drive and own an EV.

I get that there will always be teething problems. I’d just prefer to let someone else be the guinea pig before I spend my hard earned moolah..

Calahonda52

Rennaws wrote: »

As someone who’s driven diesel for years and will quite happily make the leap to EV when budget allows and the time is right but for now, I’m struggling to see the benefits from a personal owner point of view..

Every time I read one of these threads it confirms for me how far away we are from EV as mainstream and what a pain in the ass it can potentially be to drive and own an EV.

I get that there will always be teething problems. I’d just prefer to let someone else be the guinea pig before I spend my hard earned moolah..

Thats just a feel good excuse-laden story.

As of now, EVs don't suit everyone, but they do suit a lot of people.

I have one since March 2017.
In August I changed jobs and because of the changing driving portfolio for work, I now have a cheap 2nd hand petrol car for return trips over 170 kms summer/150kms winter on a 30kW as I can't rely on the network when scheduling meetings in different towns across Munster and Connaught.
So it can work if you really wanted it to.

unkel

Rennaws wrote: »

As someone who’s driven diesel for years and will quite happily make the leap to EV when budget allows and the time is right but for now, I’m struggling to see the benefits from a personal owner point of view..

How about a 90% drop in fuel cost compared to diesel?

miamee

Rennaws wrote: »

As someone who’s driven diesel for years and will quite happily make the leap to EV when budget allows and the time is right but for now, I’m struggling to see the benefits from a personal owner point of view..

Every time I read one of these threads it confirms for me how far away we are from EV as mainstream and what a pain in the ass it can potentially be to drive and own an EV.

I get that there will always be teething problems. I’d just prefer to let someone else be the guinea pig before I spend my hard earned moolah..

How often do you read one of these threads though? In comparison to the hundreds of EVs on the road, charging and getting to their destination every single day it is an incredibly small number.
If you heard of a petrol acr running out of petrol once in a while or having to queue at the garage, would it put you off petrol cars?
I completely understand that EVs are a leap for some people but the occasional "I was ICEd when I really needed a charge" threads are the exception, not the rule. I'd argue that EVs are already fairly mainstream now, they are everywhere.

miamee

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Circle K garage Ballysimon Road limerick. There’s a wait no matter where you go in the city. It’s getting ridiculous now.

That's mad, I would have thought there was ample parking for other cars there without using the charging spaces. You'd nearly be more understanding of a ICE parked there if they didn't know what the charger was for :rolleyes:

Gravelly

Calahonda52 wrote: »

Thats just a feel good excuse-laden story.

As of now, EVs don't suit everyone, but they do suit a lot of people.

I have one since March 2017.
In August I changed jobs and because of the changing driving portfolio for work, I now have a cheap 2nd hand petrol car for return trips over 170 kms summer/150kms winter on a 30kW as I can't rely on the network when scheduling meetings in different towns across Munster and Connaught.
So it can work if you really wanted it to.

Seriously? You respond to a poster as if their reasons for not being ready to buy an EV are foolish, and then admit that you have to run two cars in order to be able to have an EV?
The number of people willing, or able to afford, to keep two cars for one person to justify having an EV are very, very small. And very, very, foolish.

Del2005

unkel wrote: »

How about a 90% drop in fuel cost compared to diesel?

Not much use if you can't get any fuel though. I live in an apartment and my commute is ideal for a BEV. But I won't be thinking about getting one till they introduce charging because they will need to replace the cash from fossil fuels so the savings might not be as big as people think and the reduction in fines from the EU won't mean we pay less.

unkel

Del2005 wrote: »

Not much use if you can't get any fuel though. I live in an apartment

Yeah that's an issue. There have been regular users on this forum though who live in an apartment or in a house without a driveway who have successfully installed a charger. But I think they did have to jump through a few hoops alright to get it sorted.

And nobody is saying that going EV is suitable for 100% of the people right now. It will take time for this transition to complete. Even now, there are only about 3,000 EVs on the road in Ireland out of 2,000,000 cars in total. That's just 0.15%. We are still in the "Innovator" stage of this change and won't move into the "Early adaptor" stage until there are at least 50,000 EVs on our road, which is probably about 2 years away.

Gravelly

unkel wrote: »

And nobody is saying that going EV is suitable for 100% of the people right now. It will take time for this transition to complete. Even now, there are only about 3,000 EVs on the road in Ireland out of 2,000,000 cars in total. That's just 0.15%. We are still in the "Innovator" stage of this change and won't move into the "Early adaptor" stage until there are at least 50,000 EVs on our road, which is probably about 2 years away.

I'd agree with you there. I considered an EV, and it would be suitable for me 6 days out of 7, but for the time being, it makes no sense for me to get one if I have to use a different car one day a week. I considered hiring a car for that one day, and using an EV the rest of the time, but with pick-up, drop-off, and the sheer palaver of it all, I decided against.

unkel

Aye it would be insane to have to own two cars or to rent a car every week, just to go EV. At some stage Nissan in the UK offered the free use of an ICE car for Leaf owners a few times a year if they needed to drive long distance. But this is madness to me. Also people who have to use the public charging network on their commute every day are mad imho.

Calahonda52

Gravelly wrote: »

Seriously?
1: You respond to a poster as if their reasons for not being ready to buy an EV are foolish, and then admit that you have to run two cars in order to be able to have an EV?
2: The number of people willing, or able to afford, to keep two cars for one person to justify having an EV are very, very small.
3: And very, very, foolish.

1: your interpretation of what I wrote: did I use the word foolish?
Admit ! : is this a trial?
Its not Admit, it's called 100% integrity and authenticity, no BS

2:your interpretation again: it was a question of getting the second car or else get the sack.

3: This word foolish again: you like using it.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/foolish?s=t

foolish [foo-lish]

adjective

1. resulting from or showing a lack of sense; ill-considered; unwise:
2. a foolish action, a foolish speech.
3. lacking forethought or caution.
4. trifling, insignificant, or paltry.

I don't believe I am guilty of any of the above.

Gravelly

Calahonda52 wrote: »

1: your interpretation of what I wrote: did I use the word foolish?
Admit ! : is this a trial?
Its not Admit, it's called 100% integrity and authenticity, no BS

2:your interpretation again: it was a question of getting the second car or else get the sack.

3: This word foolish again: you like using it.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/foolish?s=t

foolish [foo-lish]

adjective

1. resulting from or showing a lack of sense; ill-considered; unwise:
2. a foolish action, a foolish speech.
3. lacking forethought or caution.
4. trifling, insignificant, or paltry.

I don't believe I am guilty of any of the above.

That's some post. It makes the previous (foolish) one look like the epitome of restrained elegance.

I submit you are indeed guilty of foolishness - you bought two cars to do the job of one.

neddynasty

unkel wrote: »

Yeah that's an issue. There have been regular users on this forum though who live in an apartment or in a house without a driveway who have successfully installed a charger. But I think they did have to jump through a few hoops alright to get it sorted.

Any examples of these users?

I'd like to go EV for the 2nd car in the household in the next 12-18 months but not going to do it without home charging and I don't have a driveway.

endacl

B-D-P-- wrote: »

an moron??

Macaronic statement.

An moran = the moran, as gaeilge.

colm_mcm

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Currently on zero charge. Waiting half an hour. Two Nissan leafs parked in both charging spots. Not charging, just parked.

They’re not your personal fûcking parking spots. They’re CHARGING spots.

I’m getting absolutely sick of this. It’s not even worth it anymore.

Thought you had an plug-in hybrid?

liamog

neddynasty wrote: »

Any examples of these users?

I'd like to go EV for the 2nd car in the household in the next 12-18 months but not going to do it without home charging and I don't have a driveway.

I've on-street parking outside my house

Post #10 in this thread has more details


https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057776204

Del2005

unkel wrote: »

Yeah that's an issue. There have been regular users on this forum though who live in an apartment or in a house without a driveway who have successfully installed a charger. But I think they did have to jump through a few hoops alright to get it sorted.

And nobody is saying that going EV is suitable for 100% of the people right now. It will take time for this transition to complete. Even now, there are only about 3,000 EVs on the road in Ireland out of 2,000,000 cars in total. That's just 0.15%. We are still in the "Innovator" stage of this change and won't move into the "Early adaptor" stage until there are at least 50,000 EVs on our road, which is probably about 2 years away.

Unfortunately my complex will be impossible to install a charge point. It's unassigned surface parking and there is no power supply. It would require major work and then I wouldn't be guaranteed the place

That's the problem with the introduction of EV. There's not enough to make supplying enough chargers and because the system is free so there's no profits to be made for new players, I know that some companies have got plans for more chargers but we'll have to see if people will pay to use then enough vs waiting for the free network . For every other innovation its the early adapters who pay a premium and the infrastructure is built from them, then as its adopted by the masses the price decreases. With EV its being done the wrong way.

liamog

Really what we need is a law similar to California.
Mutli Unit Dwellings must either provdide or facilitate the installation of charging infrastructure.

I can forsee outsourced charging infrastructure in apartment car parks.
There's an EU building reg update which requires 10% of spaces in apartment blocks to to be equipped for charging, DLR have already included it in their planning regs.

DrPhilG

unkel wrote: »

That's a bit of a dismissive statement. There are already budget 64kWh EVs with 500km range. Most will rarely / never use the public charging network. Many current EV owners, even those whose cars have less than 100km range, never use the network

The problem is that many of those current ev owners use the network because its free, not because they need it.

And I guarantee that the same way the network is starting to choke up with 40kwh Leafs, it will soon do the same with Konas and Niros.

DrPhilG

DrPhilG wrote: »

The problem is that many of those current ev owners use the network because its free, not because they need it.

And I guarantee that the same way the network is starting to choke up with 40kwh Leafs, it will soon do the same with Konas and Niros.

Exactly. The 60 kWh local users will have 50 percent bigger incentive per charge to use the public free charging spoiling it for the users that genuinely need to get to their destination by using the charging nework.

Based on my experience this summer I'm quite happy to pay 40 c/kWh (or even better 20 c per minute) to avoid needless "hoggage" by locals.

Unfortunately for OP there is not much that can be done (apart from calling APCOA) if people just use charging spaces as their personal parking spaces when not plugged in.

Del2005

liamog wrote: »

Really what we need is a law similar to California.
Mutli Unit Dwellings must either provdide or facilitate the installation of charging infrastructure.

I can forsee outsourced charging infrastructure in apartment car parks.
There's an EU building reg update which requires 10% of spaces in apartment blocks to to be equipped for charging, DLR have already included it in their planning regs.

To install chargers in my complex it would destroy our sinking fund and then some. Why should home owners in MUDs, already subsiding the state by providing the services the council do for non MUD developments, by made to use commercial networks on their property when people are getting free charge points.

The government should be grant aiding existing MUDs to install charging networks and let the commercial sector look after the motorway and trunk network.

Soarer

DrPhilG wrote: »

The problem is that many of those current ev owners use the network because its free, not because they need it.

And I guarantee that the same way the network is starting to choke up with 40kwh Leafs, it will soon do the same with Konas and Niros.

Really?

mr chips

DrPhilG wrote: »

The problem is that many of those current ev owners use the network because its free, not because they need it.

I wonder if this is at least in part due to conversations with the dealer/seller creating an expectation that this is the norm.
"And you'll never have to pay to fill up again, sure charging is free at the public network."
"Jaysus, is that so?"

pwurple

DrPhilG wrote: »

unkel wrote: »

That's a bit of a dismissive statement. There are already budget 64kWh EVs with 500km range. Most will rarely / never use the public charging network. Many current EV owners, even those whose cars have less than 100km range, never use the network

The problem is that many of those current ev owners use the network because its free, not because they need it.

And I guarantee that the same way the network is starting to choke up with 40kwh Leafs, it will soon do the same with Konas and Niros.

Many though, or just an annoying few?
We've been driving EV since the start of 2015, coming up on 4 years now in january. Both our family cars are EV. We charge at home and at work. I actually can't remember the last time I used a public charger. Three other EV owners on our street, same as us, just charge at home or at work. 
You'd want to be a seriously time rich person who would go around looking for free leccie. 
A lot of the reason we got the second EV, is that neither of us wanted to go driving off to stinking petrol stations to put petrol in the other car. It's just so damn easy to drive into a space a work and come out to a fully charged car. Never going out of our way. I can't imagine going off wasting my time doing, what I consider to be petrol/diesel behaviour in an EV. Why would you bother? It costs pennies to fill it at home, or zilch at work. I value my time.

And for those reading the threads, thinking the whole thing is a shambles.... Those of us who have no problems whatsoever with the set-up, don't really have much to chime in with. "All grand here for us lads. Carry on"... gets a bit boring.

Del2005

pwurple wrote: »

Many though, or just an annoying few?
We've been driving EV since the start of 2015, coming up on 4 years now in january. Both our family cars are EV. We charge at home and at work. I actually can't remember the last time I used a public charger. Three other EV owners on our street, same as us, just charge at home or at work. 
You'd want to be a seriously time rich person who would go around looking for free leccie. 
A lot of the reason we got the second EV, is that neither of us wanted to go driving off to stinking petrol stations to put petrol in the other car. It's just so damn easy to drive into a space a work and come out to a fully charged car. Never going out of our way. I can't imagine going off wasting my time doing, what I consider to be petrol/diesel behaviour in an EV. Why would you bother? It costs pennies to fill it at home, or zilch at work. I value my time.

And for those reading the threads, thinking the whole thing is a shambles.... Those of us who have no problems whatsoever with the set-up, don't really have much to chime in with. "All grand here for us lads. Carry on"... gets a bit boring.

But what happens at work when there are more cars than chargers? Then you'll have to hunt for a charge point.

liamog

Del2005 wrote: »

To install chargers in my complex it would destroy our sinking fund and then some. Why should home owners in MUDs, already subsiding the state by providing the services the council do for non MUD developments, by made to use commercial networks on their property when people are getting free charge points.

The government should be grant aiding existing MUDs to install charging networks and let the commercial sector look after the motorway and trunk network.

That's why their was the second option, facilitate the installation.
As an EV owner, you should be entitiled to install a private charger entirely at your own cost.


The state/semi state should not be installing private access chargers. I've no problem with them giving a subsidy just as they do for private driveway owners.


Realistically their are a few options.

1. MUD installs chargers and does not bill.
2. MUD installs chargers and bills back to users.
3. MUD outsources chargers to commercial entity.
4. Owner is allowed to install charger at own cost, and pays bill on their own.

You should probably follow up on that sinking fund, a charging pedestal can be installed for around €2,000. The sinking fund should be much higher than that.

DrPhilG

Soarer wrote: »

Really?

Yes really. I've read a number of reports already of people getting stuck behind them. Some with rapidgate, some just taking longer to charge due to the bigger battery and having the same selfish attitude that many drivers of other cars have.

Twice a week I visit my dad after work. To do that I need to use the fast charger in Letterkenny. I generally go to the charger first, then if its in use I can come back after I visit instead.

In the last few months I've gone from about 90% success rate on the first visit, to 50/50. And it's not just a local hog either. I have seen at least 5 different 40kwh Leafs there in the last few months. 2 NI cars, a Cork car and a few DLs.

And that's Donegal, I expect it's much worse in Dublin and Cork. And will only get worse as more and more are delivered.

Add in a high number of 64kWh cars (and reports suggested as many as 700 Konas due into Ireland in 2019) and we're looking at a major shltstorm.

That's one of the main reasons I'm in a hurry to get one. A 64kWh car would leave me only reliant on the network half a dozen times a year at most and by then hopefully Ionity will be coming online.

PS that was a comment on the number of EVs on the road and the attitude of Irish owners in general about free charging. It wasn't an attack on the 40kwh Leaf in particular, lest you get all triggered.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Can confirm it’s getting harder and harder to charge at Public points. Easily 95% of the time they’re full either with parked cars or delivery vans. Sometimes other EVs are charging or most recently two Leafs just using them as their personal parking space.

A HUGE HUGE problem is delivery vans/tradesman vans just using the space as a loading bay or parking space.

Like I said an EV is something I’ll come back to in a few years. There needs to be multiple places to charge at petrol stations, not one or two spots. Ten minimum.

When we’re at a point where every petrol station and supermarket has these things installed then it’s the right time to go back. I can’t be arsed.

ED E

Have a look at this twitter account.
https://twitter.com/DisabledParkers

If as a nation we can't even keep disabled bays for those that need them then what fuppin hope have EVs?

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

ED E wrote: »

Have a look at this twitter account.
https://twitter.com/DisabledParkers

If as a nation we can't even keep disabled bays for those that need them then what fuppin hope have EVs?

Until they start to crush cars that have no reason to be parked in disabled bays we're at nothing. It's something I've never done and will never do.

pwurple

Del2005 wrote: »

pwurple wrote: »

Many though, or just an annoying few?
We've been driving EV since the start of 2015, coming up on 4 years now in january. Both our family cars are EV. We charge at home and at work. I actually can't remember the last time I used a public charger. Three other EV owners on our street, same as us, just charge at home or at work. 
You'd want to be a seriously time rich person who would go around looking for free leccie. 
A lot of the reason we got the second EV, is that neither of us wanted to go driving off to stinking petrol stations to put petrol in the other car. It's just so damn easy to drive into a space a work and come out to a fully charged car. Never going out of our way. I can't imagine going off wasting my time doing, what I consider to be petrol/diesel behaviour in an EV. Why would you bother? It costs pennies to fill it at home, or zilch at work. I value my time.

And for those reading the threads, thinking the whole thing is a shambles.... Those of us who have no problems whatsoever with the set-up, don't really have much to chime in with. "All grand here for us lads. Carry on"... gets a bit boring.

But what happens at work when there are more cars than chargers? Then you'll have to hunt for a charge point.

Well, I only use it twice a week usually.  There are 26 charge points and 10 cars using them so far. I've been in places with less chargers, where people book the work ones like you book a meeting room etc.

cnocbui

unkel wrote: »

How about a 90% drop in fuel cost compared to diesel?

That is such a typically Irish viewpoint. Running costs vs system cost.

liamog

cnocbui wrote: »

That is such a typically Irish viewpoint. Running costs vs system cost.

Kind of the opposite really, the system cost would include the running cost plus the purchase price.


If you own a car for 5 years and do 20,000km the running cost is ~€8,500 less.
If the ICE is €20,000 and the EV €25,000 then system cost over 5 years is €30,000 (ICE) vs €26,500 (EV).