Investigation into 4000% increase in girls unhappy with their gender.

Malayalam

I was hoping somebody else would open a thread on this story over the last couple of days as I would hate to become boards resident TERF, especially since I am radically fairly much anything except a radical feminist. Meh. Trans Investigating Gardener? Ok, TIGer will do.

The Minister for Equality in Britain, Penny Mordaunt, who surely as much as anybody would have sympathy for Trans peoples, given that it's her job to do so, has opened an urgent investigation into why there has been such a phenomenal increase in girls seeking gender reassignment - a whopping 4000 - 4500% increase in less than 8 years.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/inquiry-into-surge-in-gender-treatment-ordered-by-penny-mordaunt-b2ftz9hfn

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1018407/gender-transition-treatment-investigation-penny-mordaunt

Last night a source at the Government Equalities Office said: “There has been a substantial increase in the number of individuals assigned female at birth being referred to the NHS.

“There is evidence that this trend is happening in other countries as well. Little is known, however, about why this is and what are the long-term impacts.”

It is not true that little is known. There are considerable amounts of evidence that this is an online problem that has leaked out into the real world where it has found unusual support in right on PC liberal ideology which seeks instead of questioning if there is a problem to AFFIRM the identifications. Madness!

There was a study done recently among parents of girls with Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria by Professor Lisa Littman of Brown University (USA) and that study showed that there is loads of evidence of a social contagion or psychic epidemic fueled by social media. Lots of lovely sites on Tumblr and Youtube that advocate for gender confusion. This is only one example of research in the area.

This research by Littman....

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/file?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0202330&type=printable

...caused a massive row with transactivists and resulted in the material being removed (memory-holed) from the Brown University website. Concerns were expressed that ''the conclusions of the study could be used to discredit efforts to support transgender youth and invalidate the perspectives of members of the transgender community.''

Quelle surprise! (It's a gardening term). Don't mind me.

Doesn't matter how many young girls battling through puberty, and who might otherwise in different times have struggled with depression or anxiety or anorexia or cutting or sexual orientation issues are instead now being shuttled along the identifying as transgender route. Thereafter they have the option to consider hormones, then mastectomies, which are being performed on girls as young as 13 years old in America. Soon this side of the pond, no doubt.

https://thefederalist.com/2018/09/12/u-s-doctors-performing-double-mastectomies-healthy-13-year-old-girls/

Not to mention later on the incredibly brave move of mutilating their bodies to form a neo-penis - I will link not show, this is a disturbing image of arm, don't say i did not warn you - https://www.google.ie/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjLqYiaj8TdAhUKCcAKHfE_AQkQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.andrewiguy.com%2F2013%2F07%2Fmy-donor-arm-please-view-with-caution.html&psig=AOvVaw39MNQsF494kDPCRzNyNvz5&ust=1537345168724148

Yeah, looks like I won't shut up about this insane crap because, well, it makes me mad as hell. At the very least people should know about this stuff going on even if they shrug their shoulders afterwards. LEAVE THE CHILDREN ALONE.

quokula

One correction, it’s not Penny Mourdant’s job to be sympathetic, it’s her job to define how sympathetic or otherwise the government should be. Given that the UK has an increasingly extreme right wing government that position is unlikely to be overly sympathetic and is more likely to be one of trying to find any possible evidence to justify their prejudice.

I think the fact that you stated yourself, in the past some transgender people would have just been depressed instead, explains the increase pretty clearly, as they now have options to get out of depression that weren’t there before.

Malayalam

quokula wrote: »

One correction, it’s not Penny Mourdant’s job to be sympathetic, it’s her job to define how sympathetic or otherwise the government should be. Given that the UK has an increasingly extreme right wing government that position is unlikely to be overly sympathetic and is more likely to be one of trying to find any possible evidence to justify their prejudice.

I think the fact that you stated yourself, in the past some transgender people would have just been depressed instead, explains the increase pretty clearly, as they now have options to get out of depression that weren’t there before.

The UK has an increasingly extreme right wing government? That's news to me! Or is anyone a centimetre to the right of Marx an extreme right winger now? (Not that I have any love for the UK government, I don't). And getting out of teenage depression by drastically mutilating the body, surgically or chemically, before the frontal cortex is sufficiently developed to know definitively what the hell is going on with this crazy ride called life? Pffft. Seems a bit messed up to me.

Mr. Incognito

Little is known, however, about why this is and what are the long-term impacts.”

This.

However you enjoy your rant.

They are not children. They are sentient adults making their own decisions.

Why don't you take your judgmental bigoted views elsewhere.

Malayalam

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

This.

However you enjoy your rant.

They are not children. They are sentient adults making their own decisions.

Why don't you take your judgmental bigoted views elsewhere.

Uh. Yeah. Sorry. Go back and read. The investigation is specifically about CHILDREN.

Mr. Incognito

Malayalam wrote: »

Uh. Yeah. Sorry. Go back and read. The investigation is specifically about CHILDREN.

Apologies.

Carry on with your Telegraph backed rant.

PlaneSpeeking

Malayalam wrote: »

The UK has an increasingly extreme right wing government? That's news to me! Or is anyone a centimetre to the right of Marx an extreme right winger now? (Not that I have any love for the UK government, I don't). And getting out of teenage depression by drastically mutilating the body, surgically or chemically, before the frontal cortex is sufficiently developed to know definitively what the hell is going on with this crazy ride called life? Pffft. Seems a bit messed up to me.

You're on a hiding to nothing on this one Tiger!

The study was worrying - mainly because (possibly) well meaning groups have defined what being female is.

They perpetuate the myth of the constantly attacked woman, always the prey and needing chaperones for meetings with men and special considerations for jobs like shortlists etc. They create the mythical gender pay gap which is so far from being real it might as well have Mr Tumnus on speed dial.

Serena Williams is treated like a goddess for getting to final a whilst being a parent, Roger Federer has four children and wins regularly - Serena is not an impoverish single mother, she's a long time outta Compton and has a billionaire husband. Is it somehow more important to be a mother ? No wonder men suffer in childcare and custody cases - cf the "UK soap star" who had her kids removed and there was a backlash, yet no one knows why - she may be an unfit parent. Katie Price - shagging her toyboy on holiday and missing her youngest's first day at school, a man would be destroyed for doing that.

Can you blame girls nowadays for not wanting to be part of that ????

PlaneSpeeking

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Apologies.

Carry on with your Telegraph backed rant.

Oh look another who blames the medium and ignores the message.

ohnonotgmail

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Apologies.

Carry on with your Telegraph backed rant.

I was thinking more Daily Mail online comments section myself.

begbysback

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

This.

However you enjoy your rant.

They are not children. They are sentient adults making their own decisions.

Why don't you take your judgmental bigoted views elsewhere.

Any chance you could clarify who you are arguing with when quoting, ain't no way I'm reading the long winded posts above but I'd like to know who you are fighting with for entertainment purposes.

Malayalam

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Apologies.

Carry on with your Telegraph backed rant.

Too late for that. It's pretty much in all the media now, I caught it first in the Times anyway, the Telegraph won't let me in 'cos I adblock

And yeah, do you know what, I will rant about ideologically-sourced state-sanctioned interference with CHILDREN, I sure will. Forever and ever.

But back to the substance of the investigation perhaps the UK govt could consider the ultra violent female degrading porn that pervades places like Tumblr et al, and that some have queried as being the root behind some girls not wanting to have a female body. Funny how the algorithms let that stuff through and yet a peep about other things will result in bans and demonetisation etc. Weird.

ohnonotgmail

Malayalam wrote: »

Too late for that. It's pretty much in all the media now, I caught it first in the Times anyway, the Telegraph won't let me in 'cos I adblock

And yeah, do you know what, I will rant about ideologically-sourced state-sanctioned interference with CHILDREN, I sure will. Forever and ever.

But back to the substance of the investigation perhaps the UK govt could consider the ultra violent female degrading porn that pervades places like Tumblr et al, and that some have queried as being the root behind some girls not wanting to have a female body. Funny how the algorithms let that stuff through and yet a peep about other things will result in bans and demonetisation etc. Weird.

Or maybe it is because it starts from a very low base figure of 40 (which is basically 0 in a population of 60M) so you end up with your headline grabbing figure of 4000%.

Malayalam

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Or maybe it is because it starts from a very low base figure of 40 (which is basically 0 in a population of 60M) so you end up with your headline grabbing figure of 4000%.

So what happened in the last 8 years, Ohnonotgmail? If ebola, which would start at a low percentage in a population base, increased 4000% would you be worried? If schizophrenia which is about 1% now increased 4000% in 8 years would you bother to wonder why? Are you really truly going to say it is simply because children feel sooooo much more comfortable to come forward now and declare that they hate and loathe their birth bodies, rather than there having been any impact from external information sources and social propaganda? Are you going to deny the experts in the field, who work day in day out in gender clinics, and who express similar concerns? Are you going to ignore the regularly shown comorbidty of gender dysphoria with autism and mental health issues? Are you above all going to ignore the absolute ideological incoherence of claiming that gender is a social construct, that it resides in the feelings, and yet concentrate every single bit of gender activism into BODY? Starting with children.

suicide_circus

phalloplastys for all!!

ohnonotgmail

Malayalam wrote: »

So what happened in the last 8 years, Ohnonotgmail? If ebola, which would start at a low percentage in a population base, increased 4000% would you be worried? If schizophrenia which is about 1% now increased 4000% in 8 years would you bother to wonder why? Are you really truly going to say it is simply because children feel sooooo much more comfortable to come forward now and declare that they hate and loathe their birth bodies, rather than there having been any impact from external information sources and social propaganda? Are you going to deny the experts in the field, who work day in day out in gender clinics, and who express similar concerns? Are you going to ignore the regularly shown comorbidty of gender dysphoria with autism and mental health issues? Are you above all going to ignore the absolute ideological incoherence of claiming that gender is a social construct, that it resides in the feelings, and yet concentrate every single bit of gender activism into BODY? Starting with children.

who exactly do you think you are helping with this thread? You referred to a lack of sympathy in Penny Mordaunt but i see damn little sympathy from you.

7aubzxk43m2sni

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Apologies.

Carry on with your Telegraph backed rant.

"You're wrong because of X, and you're a bigot and a transphobe".

*someone points out that X is not true*

"Yeah well you're still a bigot"

suicide_circus

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

who exactly do you think you are helping with this thread? You referred to a lack of sympathy in Penny Mordaunt but i see damn little sympathy from you.

What other topics should not be discussed?

Sesame

I would say every single teenage girl has body issues when they hit puberty. They have these new breasts, hips start widening, and at the very same time as all this, what girls are wearing makes this more obvious. It's a pretty rubbish time as along with all that, they lose their little girl cuteness, there's spots and greasy hair etc.

I was one of those girls even though I was late to develop. It eventually hit around 15-16. Before that I was interested in my computer games, reading and other typical boyish activities.
Looking back on photos of me at the time, I was wearing big baggy black jumpers, baggy jeans and runners. I did not want that stuff to happen to me. But I was quite happy with my life, just not into makeup, magazines, clothes at all and in denial about puberty!

Looking back, life was ok. I wished I was a boy a few times (still do, it just seems easier) but I was mé and happy enough with that.

Now when I look at the more polarised boy or girl baby clothes, boy or girl toys, boy or girl after school activities, it seems to me to make things much harder on girls that don't want to be put in that category of clothes/activities/things girls talk about. It's difficult for girls to escape.

As an example, from about age 2 and up, it's really difficult to buy children's trousers that are not skin tight like leggings or skinny jeans for girls. When was the last time you saw a girl child in boy type jeans? It was common in the 80s and 90s from memory, but not now. It's skin tight or dresses/skirts. Why do we put small girls in leggings and boys in more comfortable jeans? A question for another place.

But my point is, this new increase in girls wanting to be more like boys or even be boys is coming from a lack of gender neutral expectations of children and teenagers. A child is a child. Gender should not mean that a whole category of how a life is lived is pigeonholed into how either male or females should look or behave.

And men that do become women often use the most exaggerated womenly clothes (high heals, clownish makeup, etc) which makes a mockery of what a woman is. The efforts they go to to being a woman is not typical of many women. The whole gender identity issue, in my opinion is not reflective of real life.

If I was a teenager now, I would probably be rsearching a new gender identity myself. I am so glad I'm not as my body remains intact as female and produced children.

Mutilating young bodies because they are questioning if they belong in a certain social strata is wrong. I know some may genuinely be body dismorphic and this is rare. In the cases of body dismorphia, the person wants to change sex and is repulsed by what they consider the wrong genetialia and believe they were born into the wrong body. In that case, a sex change operation and hormone therapy may be their only solution. This is different to the gender questioning that many teenagers do.

ohnonotgmail

suicide_circus wrote: »

What other topics should not be discussed?

where have i said i it should not be discussed? But perhaps if we are going to discuss a sensitive subject we do so in a sensitive manner and not via aggression and sarcasm. Is that too much to ask?

Malayalam

suicide_circus wrote: »

What other topics should not be discussed?

This is it really. How has one been made feel embarrassed to even think about some things. I think I write about this specifically to push back against the inner withdrawal to silence. And even though it is abused as bigotry and ranting I would prefer one more person would know about what children face than for every voice to be silent

Summer wind

If mastectomies are being carried out on 13 year old children that’s completely mental.

Malayalam

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

where have i said i it should not be discussed? But perhaps if we are going to discuss a sensitive subject we do so in a sensitive manner and not via aggression and sarcasm. Is that too much to ask?

Do you know why? Because I genuinely feel angry especially when I see bodily suffering...can't help it. I will try and disguise it as nonchalance or as another poster who doesn't like words on a written medium suggested, as entertainment. I apologise for some sarcasm, it's how I deal with anger. And I am angry. I am invested in the lineage, I am interested in what happens with children from many angles

suicide_circus

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

where have i said i it should not be discussed? But perhaps if we are going to discuss a sensitive subject we do so in a sensitive manner and not via aggression and sarcasm. Is that too much to ask?

is it possible to discuss this topic honestly? any suggestion that this is a metal health issue is now a "phobia" and evidence bigotry.

ohnonotgmail

suicide_circus wrote: »

is it possible to discuss this topic honestly? any suggestion that this is a metal health issue is now a "phobia" and evidence bigotry.

I'm not qualified to discuss what is and isnt a mental health issue and i doubt you are either. The professionals involved dont consider it a mental health issue so i go with them.

suicide_circus

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I'm not qualified to discuss what is and isnt a mental health issue and i doubt you are either. The professionals involved dont consider it a mental health issue so i go with them.

case closed I guess

bloodless_coup

The last time I posted on this kind of topic I got banned.

Careful now, make sure you say only "correct" things.

PlaneSpeeking

Sesame wrote: »

I would say every single teenage girl has body issues when they hit puberty. They have these new breasts, hips start widening, and at the very same time as all this, what girls are wearing makes this more obvious. It's a pretty rubbish time as along with all that, they lose their little girl cuteness, there's spots and greasy hair etc.

I was one of those girls even though I was late to develop. It eventually hit around 15-16. Before that I was interested in my computer games, reading and other typical boyish activities.
Looking back on photos of me at the time, I was wearing big baggy black jumpers, baggy jeans and runners. I did not want that stuff to happen to me. But I was quite happy with my life, just not into makeup, magazines, clothes at all and in denial about puberty!

Looking back, life was ok. I wished I was a boy a few times (still do, it just seems easier) but I was mé and happy enough with that.

Now when I look at the more polarised boy or girl baby clothes, boy or girl toys, boy or girl after school activities, it seems to me to make things much harder on girls that don't want to be put in that category of clothes/activities/things girls talk about. It's difficult for girls to escape.

As an example, from about age 2 and up, it's really difficult to buy children's trousers that are not skin tight like leggings or skinny jeans for girls. When was the last time you saw a girl child in boy type jeans? It was common in the 80s and 90s from memory, but not now. It's skin tight or dresses/skirts. Why do we put small girls in leggings and boys in more comfortable jeans? A question for another place.

But my point is, this new increase in girls wanting to be more like boys or even be boys is coming from a lack of gender neutral expectations of children and teenagers. A child is a child. Gender should not mean that a whole category of how a life is lived is pigeonholed into how either male or females should look or behave.

And men that do become women often use the most exaggerated womenly clothes (high heals, clownish makeup, etc) which makes a mockery of what a woman is. The efforts they go to to being a woman is not typical of many women. The whole gender identity issue, in my opinion is not reflective of real life.

If I was a teenager now, I would probably be rsearching a new gender identity myself. I am so glad I'm not as my body remains intact as female and produced children.

Mutilating young bodies because they are questioning if they belong in a certain social strata is wrong. I know some may genuinely be body dismorphic and this is rare. In the cases of body dismorphia, the person wants to change sex and is repulsed by what they consider the wrong genetialia and believe they were born into the wrong body. In that case, a sex change operation and hormone therapy may be their only solution. This is different to the gender questioning that many teenagers do.

i think you may be me! Well said!!!!

flatty

It's the frontal lobotomy of the generation. A mutilating surgical procedure for what is largely a mental issue. You can dance round it all you like, but I suspect future generations will be horrified.

How Soon Is Now

flatty wrote: »

It's the frontal lobotomy of the generation. A mutilating surgical procedure for what is largely a mental issue. You can dance round it all you like, but I suspect future generations will be horrified.

Future generations will come with neither male or female body parts they will be purchased as "addons" when the person decides what they wanna be!

Skylinehead

doylefe wrote: »

The last time I posted on this kind of topic I got banned.

Careful now, make sure you say only "correct" things.

Don't post in this one either then, if you've nothing useful to say

Your Face

4000%?!
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A lot.