Tumosan OK for small farm

Loves_lorries

I've a small farm which I work in the evening, have an old mf but it's sort of buggered.
Saw a tumosan 4wd with loader for little along with 20 k.

Are they mechanically OK despite poor image?

Its four years old.

Never wrestle with pigs

Loves_lorries wrote: »

I've a small farm which I work in the evening, have an old mf but it's sort of buggered.
Saw a tumosan 4wd with loader for little along with 20 k.

Are they mechanically OK despite poor image?

Its four years old.

Far better tractors out there for 20k that will still value near your 20k in a few years. Honestly that won't be worth 5k in a few years.

Loves_lorries

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

Far better tractors out there for 20k that will still value near your 20k in a few years. Honestly that won't be worth 5k in a few years.

Are there any tumosans for 5k which are ten years old?

Odelay

Loves_lorries wrote: »

Are there any tumosans for 5k which are ten years old?

People are very quick to write them off. What's happened with car brands over the last ten years could just as well happen with tractors.

Never wrestle with pigs

Loves_lorries wrote: »

Are there any tumosans for 5k which are ten years old?

No because they are in the scrap yard

Loves_lorries

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

No because they are in the scrap yard

Seriously, is it that bad?

Zetor an option but a 2014 4wd 90hp with loader be close on 35 k at least.a new Holland or jd from 2014 over 50k

patsy_mccabe

People were saying that about Kubotas a few years back. Look at them now.

emaherx

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

People were saing that about Kubotas a few years back. Look at them now.

Most bad reviews come from people with little to no experience of them.

Mechanical tractor based on old Fiat designs is not a bad thing. They will depreciate quickly though but probably not an issue as on most farms they end up on they will be worked lightly but neglected over a very long period of time.

_Brian

Because something is “based on” an older good design doesn’t mean much without knowing how it’s manufactured.

It could just closely resemble a Fiat tractor but not have the quality of materials or standards of production and assembly which is what really matters.

Loves_lorries

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

People were saying that about Kubotas a few years back. Look at them now.

Kubota always had a name for quality, did they not?

Mooooo

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

People were saying that about Kubotas a few years back. Look at them now.

Difference between Japanese and the Turks? (Tumosan from there?) tho. Recently kubota have upped there game also. Making a big push for at tractor market I think

charolais0153

Tumosan are meant to be a noisy and bumpy tractor.

Never wrestle with pigs

Loves_lorries wrote: »

Seriously, is it that bad?

Zetor an option but a 2014 4wd 90hp with loader be close on 35 k at least.a new Holland or jd from 2014 over 50k

They were always a good work horse. I don't know much about the newer ones. They would hold value way better than the tumosan. Think about if you need to sell it in a few years. If you're not in it every day all day you wouldn't mind driving one of the classic tractors. Any of the older massy's or John Deeres, Fiat's, case's your going to get your money back if needs be. Kubota always made good tractors and will be one of the biggest brands in agriculture in years to come imo.

You could be waiting weeks for a part for the tumosan, and the Turks build quality isn't fantastic. You could cut your hands on the finish on the mudguards of the older ones. What does that say about the rest of it if they can't be arsed to finish it right.

patsy_mccabe

Mooooo wrote: »

Difference between Japanese and the Turks? (Tumosan from there?) tho. Recently kubota have upped there game also. Making a big push for at tractor market I think

I heard a new distributor took over here and in the UK. First thing they did was up their prices.

emaherx

charolais0153 wrote: »

Tumosan are meant to be a noisy and bumpy tractor.

Compared to most modern machines yes, but they do have to meet current noise regulations so probably still better than most of the vintage/classic machines currently running many farms.

emaherx

_Brian wrote: »

Because something is “based on” an older good design doesn’t mean much without knowing how it’s manufactured.

It could just closely resemble a Fiat tractor but not have the quality of materials or standards of production and assembly which is what really matters.

This is completely true, but they more than resemble the Fiats as they are offering spare parts for Fiat owners also. As for quality of manufacturing, it's hard to find a bad review of these anywhere other than poor resale value.

adne

What are the thoughts on this

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/kubota-me9000/19838299

tractorporn

adne wrote:

What are the thoughts on this

Have the same at home. Only gripe is that the tractor is light on the back end, if your lifting bales from a fusion or a wettish bale you'll need a weight for the back of it.

We bought ours in 2014 for the same money as that and touch wood has been no major issues so far. Only thing I had to get was a relay to the solenoid.

kelslat

I bought a tumosan 8095 about a year ago now. I find it a good solid tractor. It is very basic and has a manual pto and 4wd leaver. Parts are ment to be easily got for them. There's a a good few dealers around the country. The last tractor I had gave a lot of electrical trouble error codes electric lift trouble etc... That's why I opted for this one. I got a rossmore loader with it and it has a dromone style pick up hitch.

Loves_lorries

kelslat wrote: »

I bought a tumosan 8095 about a year ago now. I find it a good solid tractor. It is very basic and has a manual pto and 4wd leaver. Parts are ment to be easily got for them. There's a a good few dealers around the country. The last tractor I had gave a lot of electrical trouble error codes electric lift trouble etc... That's why I opted for this one. I got a rossmore loader with it and it has a dromone style pick up hitch.

Is it comfortable?

greenfield21

adne wrote: »

What are the thoughts on this

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/kubota-me9000/19838299

Who else would question those hours?

_Brian

greenfield21 wrote: »

Who else would question those hours?

I don’t know him personally but he’s not far from home, wouldn’t have that reputation at all.

kelslat

Loves_lorries wrote: »

Is it comfortable?

It's ok! I might only be in it for a hour or two each day. Even at that I would be in and out of it a bit. It's no John Deere and the cab is very basic. As long as everything stays working including the radio and heater I will be happy.

Loves_lorries

_Brian wrote: »

I don’t know him personally but he’s not far from home, wouldn’t have that reputation at all.

Reputation is good, yes?

Bazzer007

Hey Op! Tumosan tractors are basic but get the job done without the need for any fancy electronics. In my opinion Kubota are building a really strong brand base in Ireland and more than likely will hold their value compared to other newish tractors to the market like Tumosan. I own a Kubota RTV and find it easy to maintain and I like the brand.

I've never driven a Kubota tractor but the old man went to look at one with a loader and he liked it. Salesman said it was traded in because she was a 'bit giddy' when the loader was carrying a heavy load. Basically you might need to put a weight on the back or silage pusher might be good enough. The ME9000 looks very clean although the new models look nicer but that wouldn't bother most fellas.

If it was me I'd buy this instead.

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/2002-john-deere-6110-se/19343003

Have an earlier model without a loader and find the cab and quad transmission a dream. In saying that I'd like to buy a Kutoba down the line.

Loves_lorries

Bazzer007 wrote: »

Hey Op! Tumosan tractors are basic but get the job done without the need for any fancy electronics. In my opinion Kubota are building a really strong brand base in Ireland and more than likely will hold their value compared to other newish tractors to the market like Tumosan. I own a Kubota RTV and find it easy to maintain and I like the brand.

I've never driven a Kubota tractor but the old man went to look at one with a loader and he liked it. Salesman said it was traded in because she was a 'bit giddy' when the loader was carrying a heavy load. Basically you might need to put a weight on the back or silage pusher might be good enough. The ME9000 looks very clean although the new models look nicer but that wouldn't bother most fellas.

If it was me I'd buy this instead.

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/2002-john-deere-6110-se/19343003

Have an earlier model without a loader and find the cab and quad transmission a dream. In saying that I'd like to buy a Kutoba down the line.

I've no doubt kubota are good but nothing cheap about them.

sob1467

We also bought a Tumosan about fifteen years ago. It was an 02 model, so the first buyer would have beared the brunt of the depreciation. For the money that was paid its done well enough.

A few things have went on it, the lift being the main thing. Never really had that much of a problem with the availability or price of the parts.

The machine hasn't done a lot of heavy work here. Main tasks would be rolling, topping, putting in silage off the pit, moving bales, that sort of work.

Bass Reeves

adne wrote: »

What are the thoughts on this

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/kubota-me9000/19838299

Price is 19750+ vat or a bit with 24K. it would be overpriced at that. Looks a straight tractor but hours clock numbers are out of line. Lots of tractors to be got for 25k.

Op on the Tumosan If it had taken a bit more depreciation it would be worth a gamble. However lads that think that tractors that are premium brand or just below premium brand will not continue to decline in value are a bit deluded. Pre 00 tractors in the sub 100HP range are starting to appear below 20K even with a loader.

adne

greenfield21 wrote: »

Who else would question those hours?

1st thing that came to my mind esp with clock not aligning

Loves_lorries

Think the hattat are nicer but they don't seem to have sold well at all even compared to the tumosan. Lot less dealers

twin_beacon

Most tumosans wouldn't have had hard lives, they would be mainly used for regular stockman work, such as topping, moving bales, turning hay and spreading fertilisers. That being said, if i had 20k i wouldn't buy one, as it will deprecate a lot more. If look at massey, Deere or new Holland, as they hold their value

Loves_lorries

twin_beacon wrote: »

Most tumosans wouldn't have had hard lives, they would be mainly used for regular stockman work, such as topping, moving bales, turning hay and spreading fertilisers. That being said, if i had 20k i wouldn't buy one, as it will deprecate a lot more. If look at massey, Deere or new Holland, as they hold their value

If a tumosan has already lost half its value within the first four years, would the bulk of the depreciation be out of the way?

Also, would a four year old tractor (even a tumosan) have advantages over a twenty year old jd or new Holland etc cause most big brands are still making 20 k even for 1998 from what I see

emaherx

Loves_lorries wrote: »

Think the hattat are nicer but they don't seem to have sold well at all even compared to the tumosan. Lot less dealers

Hattat build tractors for MF and Valtra, they also build some old MF models with Hattat branding. You would think they should sell better.

Say my name

I'm throwing ArmaTrac into this discussion of Turkish tractors.
Seemingly designed in house by their own engineers whereas the other crowd build their tractors under license from the super powers.
They are the tractor division of the Erkunt Group.

Loves_lorries

Say my name wrote: »

I'm throwing ArmaTrac into this discussion of Turkish tractors.
Seemingly designed in house by their own engineers whereas the other crowd build their tractors under license from the super powers.
They are the tractor division of the Erkunt Group.

Know absolutely nothing about them, what are they based on?

Say my name

Loves_lorries wrote: »

Know absolutely nothing about them, what are they based on?

Themselves seemingly.
Independent to do what they like a bit like Kubota. That said they were taken over by Indian Mahindra & Mahindra last year.

Loves_lorries

Say my name wrote: »

Themselves seemingly.
Independent to do what they like a bit like Kubota. That said they were taken over by Indian Mahindra & Mahindra last year.

OK so ArmaTrac use all their own parts?

Are they around tumosan money new?

Say my name

Loves_lorries wrote: »

OK so ArmaTrac use all their own parts?

Are they around tumosan money new?

To both questions I've no idea.

If there's someone at the ploughing maybe they can price them up.

Row 17 Stand 357 according to the Journal.

Say my name

Online search which is probably as useful as a chocolate teapot.

https://www.mascus.ie/agriculture/used-tractors/armatrac-1104lux/da9km5nf.html

Loves_lorries

Say my name wrote: »

To both questions I've no idea.

If there's someone at the ploughing maybe they can price them up.

Row 17 Stand 357 according to the Journal.

Not looking to buy new, just wondering if all those Turkish brands are similar money?

Had a look inside a hattat once but never seen an ArmaTrac in the flesh.

Joe Daly

Loves_lorries wrote: »

If a tumosan has already lost half its value within the first four years, would the bulk of the depreciation be out of the way?

Also, would a four year old tractor (even a tumosan) have advantages over a twenty year old jd or new Holland etc cause most big brands are still making 20 k even for 1998 from what I see

Would it last twenty years I wouldn't think so, I had a Zetor out for a couple of days from a local garage we cut down silage with it . It worked well but when I looked at the pros cons of it I decided no I had a new Holland with high hours I need to change it. These type of tractors are grand when you buy but like the old zetor crystels, the old hino lorries they were gone after ten years they were worked out.

Bazzer007

Cahir 4x4 sell Armatrac/Tumosan tractors. He's a sound lad to deal with and you would get the keenest price possible if you give them a call. Priced a few tractors there before.

emaherx

Joe Daly wrote: »

Would it last twenty years I wouldn't think so, I had a Zetor out for a couple of days from a local garage we cut down silage with it . It worked well but when I looked at the pros cons of it I decided no I had a new Holland with high hours I need to change it. These type of tractors are grand when you buy but like the old zetor crystels, the old hino lorries they were gone after ten years they were worked out.

Know of plenty of old Zetors that were worked for over 30 years.

twin_beacon

Loves_lorries wrote: »

If a tumosan has already lost half its value within the first four years, would the bulk of the depreciation be out of the way?

Also, would a four year old tractor (even a tumosan) have advantages over a twenty year old jd or new Holland etc cause most big brands are still making 20 k even for 1998 from what I see

Its very hard to answer that im afraid, as its hard to know how many people would be willing to buy a 20 year old Tumosan! I have never heard of any horror stories related to the brand though, as i said in the last post a larger farmer that puts out his own slurry or mows his own silage would never have bought one, so they shouldn't have had difficult lives.

I was at the ploughing today, the newer non fiat look a like models have a far nicer cab. The location of the spool levers on the fiat models is in a very awkward location.
I was surprised though, I overheard 2 different people mistake them for actual Fiats when i waa approaching and leaving the stand. Tumosan has been in Ireland since the early naughties, I would have thought they would have much more brand awareness by now.

Joe Daly

emaherx wrote: »

Know of plenty of old Zetors that were worked for over 30 years.

Just speaking for myself you wouldn't see any old zetors working down here.

Loves_lorries

Joe Daly wrote: »

Just speaking for myself you wouldn't see any old zetors working down here.

Thirty year old zetors are not much cheaper than Ford or mf from that era from what I can see and forty year old crystals are arguably worth more than say a massey 188 from late seventies.

Attie

Something like this. Think they are 40/50 year old look at the size of the turbo on the Ursus 

Zetor/Ursus

Joe Daly

Loves_lorries wrote: »

Thirty year old zetors are not much cheaper than Ford or mf from that era from what I can see and forty year old crystals are arguably worth more than say a massey 188 from late seventies.

You are talking about a classic era there, if you know where a zetor crystal is for sale a relation of mine is looking for one to restore down the south east they are all gone, They were worked hard put up big hours used abused.

Loves_lorries

Joe Daly wrote: »

You are talking about a classic era there, if you know where a zetor crystal is for sale a relation of mine is looking for one to restore down the south east they are all gone, They were worked hard put up big hours used abused.

I'm just going by donedeal, know a guy who restored a crystal three years ago, got 7 k for it.

Joe Daly

Loves_lorries wrote: »

I'm just going by donedeal, know a guy who restored a crystal three years ago, got 7 k for it.

Did he put much into it, this person I am talking about collects tractors that were on the farm from the grey ferguson they had a crystal but couldn't get one anywhere they were all scraped they were never traded in lads kept them going until they collapsed.

Nekarsulm

Joe Daly wrote: »

You are talking about a classic era there, if you know where a zetor crystal is for sale a relation of mine is looking for one to restore down the south east they are all gone, They were worked hard put up big hours used abused.

Saw one sitting on the truck at Crossdoney Tractors in Co. Cavan the other day. Looked ok too.