Seeing Teslas everywhere I look

Pkiernan

Theyre getting common now. Saw 3 in north dublin today!

NIMAN

I have seen at least one a week in and around Derry too. Now I may be seeing the same one more than once but I'm not taking note of regs.

Although I did see a white DL plate on today in Derry. Think it was a 162.

unkel

Pkiernan wrote: »

Theyre getting common now. Saw 3 in north dublin today!

That's what happens when you make a company owner / director's car BIK free and he realises it

In the Netherlands (also zero BIK) top EV sales are:

#1 Tesla Model S
#2 Tesla Model X

Keep your BMW 520d / Mercedes E220CDI tractors if I can drive and my company can own a high end high performance Tesla for less

n97 mini

They seem to be clustered around the wealthier parts of Dublin. I see them around Malahide and in D4, D6, D14.

just back from Italy. In two weeks in Rimini and Rome saw only one EV, a Renault.

0lddog

Typical day I would see

3 - 5 Tesla

15+ Leaf ( all models )

1 I3

Ioniq - one every few days

May have seen an ENV 200 with a Dublin City Council paint job ( looking for confirmation )

Has anyone seen the I3s that the Gardai got ( at least since their photo-op yonks ago )

unkel

X100D parked beside me at my local FCP a few days ago. Had a chat with the nice English owner, showed him how to use his bank card so he doesn't have to ring eCars any more. He was a bit new EVs and to non-Tesla fast charger charging. But he did have the CHAdeMO adapter and knew how to use it. He was plugging in when I was CCS charging and he didn't realise only one can charge at the same time. He was at 6% and granny cable charging would have taken 4 nights to full :eek:, so even though I only just started, I disconnected and let him charge

Oh, and no, his wasn't the ludicrous mode car otherwise I might have been tempted to ask him for a spin

Lots of local EVs around Lucan, mostly L24 and L30 and also at least 3 or 4 Ioniqs, but I guess there are already about 3 or 4 L40s now too

jimmycrackcorm

n97 mini wrote:

They seem to be clustered around the wealthier parts of Dublin. I see them around Malahide and in D4, D6, D14.

Regularly see them around the IFSC.

bk

Deleted User wrote: »

just back from Italy. In two weeks in Rimini and Rome saw only one EV, a Renault.

Really!! I'm just back from Italy and there were loads in Milan. Almost every street corner had banks of 4 or 5 chargers and some little electric car sharing car.

Saw a good few Teslas, both S and X, BMW i3 and it felt like almost every Taxi was a Leaf.

I think Milan has congestion charging and EV's get free or reduced rate, would explain so many EV taxis.

Of course had a good gawk in the lovely Tesla showroom there.

Of course saw a Ferrari or two too, so maybe Milan is just quiet a bit richer then Rome.

unkel

bk wrote: »

maybe Milan is just quiet a bit richer then Rome.

It is. Remember the Lega Nord wanting to split Italy into 2 just above Rome?

Even not counting the black economy in the north worth an estimated 30-40% at the time, the legitimate economy income alone per capita in the north would have been the highest in the EU

A bit like the wealth transfer from Dutch speaking Belgium to the southern French speaking half. Or the money transfer from London to Scotland and Northern Ireland. And then some.

DrPhilG

I'm just back from Amsterdam and they're everywhere.

I even booked one for a taxi from the airport.

We did a segway tour while in the city and I saw damn near every EV known to man in the 90 minute trip.

Tesla S
Tesla X
Old Leaf
New Leaf
Zoe
E-golf
Ioniq
Nissan van (whatever its called)
BMW i3
Twizy
Peugeot Ion

And I'm off to Norway in a fortnight. The only Tesla I'll be paying attention to is the one I'll be driving, yay!

slave1

Still to see a L40 and Model X in the wild

liamog

Has anybody apart from cros13 seen me in the e-UP?

Creamy Goodness

There's a Model S and X roaming around Greystones quite a bit, would see either at least once a week.

Mooooo

Have seen two model s and 1 model x in cork, I wouldn't be in town that often either. See a few leafs alright in different places, saw the new one in the local town and while an improvement, still not gone on the looks.

unkel

slave1 wrote: »

Still to see a L40 and Model X in the wild

Really? You live far away from the Dublin area? See several L40 every day and at least one Model X - not a local car to me, I see different ones all the time.

unkel

unkel wrote: »

It is. Remember the Lega Nord wanting to split Italy into 2 just above Rome?

Even not counting the black economy in the north worth an estimated 30-40% at the time, the legitimate economy income alone per capita in the north would have been the highest in the EU

A bit like the wealth transfer from Dutch speaking Belgium to the southern French speaking half. Or the money transfer from London to Scotland and Northern Ireland. And then some.

It's definite a thing of affluence. Sometimes see a Leaf in Tallaght, example, but never a Tesla. Often see a DB5, though :pac:

marklazarcovic

Seen a big bronze suv sized Tesla in Galway few days ago..pretty sure it was anyway..large vehicle,also a white s

Round Cable

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's definite a thing of affluence. Sometimes see a Leaf in Tallaght, example, but never a Tesla. Often see a DB5, though :pac:

There's a black Tesla Model S pretty regular around the square shopping centre.

VonZan

Definitely a lot more on the road. Are Tesla still having supply issues with parts?

They're getting a pretty bad rep in the US and Norway for long lead times for replacement parts last I heard.

Saw Model S driving by Merrion square today. Left hand drive on Dutch plates.

4068ac1elhodqr

What Car? Reliability Survey 2018 - has put them at the bottom for satisfaction, a lowly 50%
https://www.whatcar.com/news/reliability-survey-2018-9/

https://www.whatcar.com/news/reliability-survey-2018/
The wee Yaris scores 100%.

Rangerover has a dismal score for XL-SUV 63%
https://www.whatcar.com/news/reliability-survey-2018-7/

Sabre Man

I regularly see Leafs. Anything else is very rare. Last time I saw a Tesla on the road was in Ballacolla several months ago. I have never seen a Model X on the road in Ireland.

the corpo

There are at least two Tesla cars prowling around Ballinteer, a couple of i3's, a few ioniq's and a metric f*ck ton of Leaf's. Loads of 'em...

muckwarrior

My desire for a Tesla has been severely dampened after reading this https://twitter.com/atomicthumbs/status/1032939618780344321

the_amazing_raisin

Amayah Curved Parrot wrote: »

What Car? Reliability Survey 2018 - has put them at the bottom for satisfaction, a lowly 50%
https://www.whatcar.com/news/reliability-survey-2018-9/

https://www.whatcar.com/news/reliability-survey-2018/
The wee Yaris scores 100%.

Rangerover has a dismal score for XL-SUV 63%
https://www.whatcar.com/news/reliability-survey-2018-7/

I saw an article on a US cleantech site (lost the article link unfortunately) that Tesla's are fairly notorious for being costly to repair. The bodywork on a Model S uses a lot of aluminium which is more difficult to repair than steel (don't know why, that's what the article says)
Also the nature of the small scale production of Tesla's means that getting parts and garages willing to repair them will be a difficult and expensive proposition. This is probably leading to some backlash from owners who've had to get repair work done.
Overall I think this is where the conventional car companies will have Tesla beaten in the long run. Tesla design their cars to be technological marvels built by a single company under one roof, but unfortunately this makes it difficult to be cost competitive as you have to support long lifetimes of producing replacement parts yourself.
Other companies like Volkswagen split manufacturing between different plants and share parts as much as possible. It means the performance of the car suffers since wider margins are needed in the design, but it does allow them to produce at volume very cheaply, and they don't seem to have anything against buying parts in from an OEM producer.
Time will tell to see what happens, I think in the long run Tesla will be forced to cut costs by moving to a more "conventional" model. Hopefully they can do this without losing their technological edge

unkel

cruisey1987 wrote: »

I saw an article on a US cleantech site (lost the article link unfortunately) that Tesla's are fairly notorious for being costly to repair. The bodywork on a Model S uses a lot of aluminium which is more difficult to repair than steel (don't know why, that's what the article says)
Also the nature of the small scale production of Tesla's means that getting parts and garages willing to repair them will be a difficult and expensive proposition. This is probably leading to some backlash from owners who've had to get repair work done.

All true. Not only that but also unreliability and general poor build quality.

cruisey1987 wrote: »

Overall I think this is where the conventional car companies will have Tesla beaten in the long run.

That's why Tesla is moving into mass manufacturing with the Model 3. This is extremely difficult. First signs are looking quite good although production is behind schedule. It remains to be seen if Tesla can come up with cars of anywhere remotely decent build quality. It is an illusion that Tesla will have cars with the same build quality as say Mercedes or BMW in the next few years. It's not gonna happen.

Tesla do have the advantage of having far more battery production capacity than anyone else though

the_amazing_raisin

unkel wrote: »

All true. Not only that but also unreliability and general poor build quality.



That's why Tesla is moving into mass manufacturing with the Model 3. This is extremely difficult. First signs are looking quite good although production is behind schedule. It remains to be seen if Tesla can come up with cars of anywhere remotely decent build quality. It is an illusion that Tesla will have cars with the same build quality as say Mercedes or BMW in the next few years. It's not gonna happen.

Tesla do have the advantage of having far more battery production capacity than anyone else though

I think they can match production quality, but currently only by doing expensive rework and end of line checking. I used to work as a test engineer and the worst time to discover a flaw is at the end, where it's hardest to fix.

It's an interesting point in the industry, Tesla know a lot about making EVs but are learning the hard way about mass production. At the same time the legacy car makers know a lot about producing cars at volume, but know so little about EVs that they're taking a minimal risk approach.

They'll meet somewhere in the middle, but it remains to be seen who will come out on top.

4068ac1elhodqr

cruisey1987 wrote: »

I saw an article on a US cleantech site (lost the article link unfortunately) that Tesla's are fairly notorious for being costly to repair. The bodywork on a Model S uses a lot of aluminium which is more difficult to repair than steel (don't know why, that's what the article says)
Also the nature of the small scale production of Tesla's means that getting parts and garages willing to repair them will be a difficult and expensive proposition. This is probably leading to some backlash from owners who've had to get repair work done.
Overall I think this is where the conventional car companies will have Tesla beaten in the long run. Tesla design their cars to be technological marvels built by a single company under one roof, but unfortunately this makes it difficult to be cost competitive as you have to support long lifetimes of producing replacement parts yourself.
Other companies like Volkswagen split manufacturing between different plants and share parts as much as possible. It means the performance of the car suffers since wider margins are needed in the design, but it does allow them to produce at volume very cheaply, and they don't seem to have anything against buying parts in from an OEM producer.
Time will tell to see what happens, I think in the long run Tesla will be forced to cut costs by moving to a more "conventional" model. Hopefully they can do this without losing their technological edge

Those are two very big big factors
i) Cost, reliability, network, distribution, consumer reviews vs
ii) Innovation, production, management/control and goodwill.

Think it's VW that's well regarded for snapping up patents and thus earning from licencing. Would be nice to see Telsa lead the way but not sure if they can claim a boat load of better patents across braking, tranmission or whatever just because it's an e-car.

Another reason you'll never see a new car company in Ireland, there is only so many ways to re-invent the wheel. Saying that Dyson in the uk have gone this route, but they have a few £bn spare to invest from flogging vacuums and huge investments made in their product designers.

They may sustain, but it's a case of long-term market penetration rather than skimming for profit.

TheShow

common enough these days, particularly in business districts with the BIK allowances on them. Two in our car park alone.
Director of my place has one and hates it, thinks its very plasticcy on the inside. Haven't had the pleasure of trying it for myself.

unkel

cruisey1987 wrote: »

At the same time the legacy car makers know a lot about producing cars at volume, but know so little about EVs that they're taking a minimal risk approach.

I don't think that's it. It's relatively easy to make an EV (far simpler than an ICE) but they don't really want to abandon the current lucrative ICE model. Unless they have to. And now it looks like they will have to, but they don't have the resources (the batteries) to do so

I'll just use one simple example. The Volkswagen eGolf. An excellent car and an excellent EV. VW didn't even have to bother creating a dedicated platform from the ground up. Just stick the EV bits here and there where you don't need the ICE bits and things are grand (with just a slightly compromised boot space). It's been around for 3 years. It has of course not been profitable as the production numbers are too low.

n97 mini

Some Youtube video I watched mentioned Tesla were going to outsource the coachwork for their truck to someone else, and they'd just supply the chassis and power train. I've been googling but can't find anything about this. It'd be a easy, if not cheap, way to address build quality and volume issues.

gally74

seeing teslas everywhere

how many smoking weed .... BOOM

Musk will ruin it the way hes going

Sabre Man

Tesla adds ‘Passive Entry’ to combat vehicle theft by keyless-entry exploit
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-passive-entry-ota-update-prevent-keyless-entry-theft/

Do any other cars have protection against relay theft?

daheff

Pkiernan wrote: »

Theyre getting common now. Saw 3 in north dublin today!

according to this site, there were >100 New Teslas sold so far this year in Ireland

BEV sales 2018 to AUG

74 Model S
31 Model X

Trasna1

gally74 wrote: »

seeing teslas everywhere

how many smoking weed .... BOOM

Musk will ruin it the way hes going

It costs a cool $250k I understand to insure $1m of Tesla debt against default.

Whatever about Tesla fans, the markets confidence in the company is shrinking.

Sabre Man

Trasna1 wrote: »

It costs a cool $250k I understand to insure $1m of Tesla debt against default.

Whatever about Tesla fans, the markets confidence in the company is shrinking.

Do you have a reliable source for this?

Oafley Jones

Sabre Man wrote: »

Do you have a reliable source for this?

You mean like the stock price?

Autochange

gally74 wrote: »

seeing teslas everywhere

how many smoking weed .... BOOM

Musk will ruin it the way hes going

Most of the world has grown up regarding it's attitude towards weed. Ireland was always behind the rest

DrPhilG

Autochange wrote: »

Most of the world has grown up regarding it's attitude towards weed. Ireland was always behind the rest

The share price took another beating, its not a question of "behind the times" attitudes to marijuana.

There's not a company in earth that would want its CEO smoking dope in public.

Autochange

DrPhilG wrote: »

The share price took another beating, its not a question of "behind the times" attitudes to marijuana.

There's not a company in earth that would want its CEO smoking dope in public.

Did you listen or better yet watch the podcast

DrPhilG

Autochange wrote: »

Did you listen or better yet watch the podcast

Nope, nor do I need to.

The effect on the share price says it was a bad idea.

It's not about doing something wrong, it's about the public perception that you did.

Autochange

DrPhilG wrote: »

Nope, nor do I need to.

The effect on the share price says it was a bad idea.

It's not about doing something wrong, it's about the public perception that you did.

Yes. That is correct. But if you listened ntonte podcast you would realise that musk is definitely not a business man. He is an inventor and a genius. Slightly odd too. He is better left to coming up with the ideas and making them a reality. Leave the buisness side to more suitable people.

DrPhilG

Autochange wrote: »

He is better left to coming up with the ideas and making them a reality. Leave the business side to more suitable people.

Exactly my point, the problem is that he isn't doing that.

Autochange

DrPhilG wrote: »

Exactly my point, the problem is that he isn't doing that.

He isn't capable. Too many wild ideas spook investors looking for stability for their pension pots. Have you heard of his plan to dig a tunnel under La?

gally74

Autochange wrote: »

Most of the world has grown up regarding it's attitude towards weed. Ireland was always behind the rest

its not the point,

TESLA will only survive with Financial backing, he did the solo run on the private thing, then this.....

Hell be sidelined soon by the board if its not too late...

could end up being a delorean....

He should have never tried to build the cars himself, just look at the I pace contracted out to magna in Austria! he was ahead of the curve with design and the battery tech is good, but he should have either got one of the big 3 in the US to build TESLA's joint venture or done an Iphone on it and let the chinese do it
I did work as an engineer in the car industry before, you dont learn mass production over night,

And i like and own an EV.

Autochange

gally74 wrote: »

its not the point,

TESLA will only survive with Financial backing, he did the solo run on the private thing, then this.....

Hell be sidelined soon by the board if its not too late...

could end up being a delorean....

He should have never tried to build the cars himself, just look at the I pace contracted out to magna in Austria! he was ahead of the curve with design and the battery tech is good, but he should have either got one of the big 3 in the US to build TESLA's joint venture or done an Iphone on it and let the chinese do it
I did work as an engineer in the car industry before, you dont learn mass production over night,

And i like and own an EV.

Yes I know. Read my other posts after that one.

eric hoone

First tesla I saw was parked at the gates of Windsor castle and I had no idea, thought it was some kind of limited edition fancy saloon commissioned for the royals or other superelites. Had customised number plates so might have belonged to one of them...

drunkmonkey

Charles opeted for the Jaguar over the Tesla so it wasn't him.

road_high

I see the odd one in Kilkenny. All D regs of course. And one local one I see regularly. Very eye catching cars

Marcusm

Trasna1 wrote: »

It costs a cool $250k I understand to insure $1m of Tesla debt against default.

Whatever about Tesla fans, the markets confidence in the company is shrinking.

Post exec departures and marijuana, it’s 2025 bonds were trading at 84% of face value which implies a widening of credit spreads and the cost of credit default protection but not up to 25% at this stage.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-07/tesla-tumbles-after-chief-accounting-officer-quits-after-just-one-month

btkm8unsl0w5r4

I see teslas everywhere and work 100 feet from the dealership in Dublin. They are awful looking generic grey boxes for the price of them and generally driven by people with limited companies working a company car tax break. They were cool with their big screens and technology at first but now every new car has the same tech and big screens. Musk has gone off the rails and seems like a man on the edge.

I have little faith that that company will still be there as is in 5 years, all the other car manufactures are rapidly catching up and will be much better at building cars.