EU to recommend abolishing DST

Cape Clear · 30-03-2019 9:51pm

Don't fix what ain't broken. Sean Kelly useless mep

Cork Boy 53 · 30-03-2019 9:59pm

Cape Clear wrote: »

Don't fix what ain't broken. Sean Kelly useless mep

The point is that the current system is broken and certainly needs fixing. Not sure how you make out that Sean Kelly is useless. He seems to be reflecting what most people want along with the vast majority of his fellow MEPs.

janfebmar · 31-03-2019 12:23am

Its essential to keep the hour of brightness in the evenings in early May, late August /Sept etc. F ... off eu, next thing is you will want to harmonise tax rates and take away our multinationals here. No wonder the UK wanted to leave.

the_pen_turner · 31-03-2019 12:48am

surely its more awqward for trade having the times changing. you last friday and its 3pm , ring monday and its 2 or 4 pm. leave it one way would make trade easier.

dxhound2005 · 31-03-2019 1:06am

Northern Ireland could choose to harmonise with us, even if the rest of the UK went it alone. The population is in favour of staying in the EU.

This would be no different than mainland Spain and the Canary Islands which have chosen to be in different time zones.

Akrasia · 31-03-2019 1:53am

Well good night everyone. It'll be great craic for the next week trying to re acclimatise my kids to the clock change. Cant wait for the bedtime battles and morning struggle to get them up for school

r93kaey5p2izun · 31-03-2019 3:00am

I think it's interesting that Russia tried permanent summer time but abandoned it for permanent winter after 3 years.

prunudo · 31-03-2019 8:12am

FrankieFeeler wrote: »

Option A or Option B.

Once you describe one as Winter time and one as Summer time the chance of a completely fair vote is gone.

Agree with what your saying, people will choose summertime wihout thinking about it. But subconsciously it will bring the thoughts of warmer weather, long evenings holidays etc. Winter time sounds cold, wet, dull and dark. Sure why would you want to be stuck on winter time all year round.

dxhound2005 · 31-03-2019 9:55am

jvan wrote: »

Agree with what your saying, people will choose summertime wihout thinking about it. But subconsciously it will bring the thoughts of warmer weather, long evenings holidays etc. Winter time sounds cold, wet, dull and dark. Sure why would you want to be stuck on winter time all year round.

That is the way I vote in elections and referendums. If someone has a nice name, I subconsciously vote for them without thinking about it. And I always vote for Yes in referendums because it sounds nicer than No.

mollser · 31-03-2019 10:15am

Had to change the clock on the oven. All others changed automatically. Got the kids up at 7.30 new time, rather than 7 old time.

Really not that challenging so far!

Paddy Cow · 31-03-2019 10:54am

jvan wrote: »

Agree with what your saying, people will choose summertime wihout thinking about it. But subconsciously it will bring the thoughts of warmer weather, long evenings holidays etc. Winter time sounds cold, wet, dull and dark. Sure why would you want to be stuck on winter time all year round.

This thread has nearly 1000 posts and has had at least three other threads merged with it. People have given this a lot of thought and most chose summertime, mainly for the valid reasons you outline above.

Elmer Blooker · 31-03-2019 11:50am

FrankieFeeler wrote: »

Option A or Option B.

Once you describe one as Winter time and one as Summer time the chance of a completely fair vote is gone.

No one is asked - "do you want darker mornings" ........ of course most are tempted by 'an extra hour' of daylight.
I heard a guy on Liveline recently mention something about having a BBQ which just shows how some people have been hoodwinked.

Our Atlantic dominated climate is cloudy almost all the time in mid winter and I bet few noticed that on most days during the winter just past it appeared to be getting dark at 2-3pm. An 'extra hour' of gloom will be barely noticeable but believe me we will notice the pitch black mornings!

Franz Von Peppercorn · 31-03-2019 11:57am

Cape Clear wrote: »

Don't fix what ain't broken. Sean Kelly useless mep

Is there more information somewhere about what this guy is supposed to have said?

Franz Von Peppercorn · 31-03-2019 12:00pm

mollser wrote: »

Had to change the clock on the oven. All others changed automatically. Got the kids up at 7.30 new time, rather than 7 old time.

Really not that challenging so far!

And yet we are sacrificing either late summer evenings or (relatively) bright winter mornings for people who can’t handle this.

As for oven clocks. Who needs em. Mine is always wrong.

highdef · 31-03-2019 12:16pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

As for oven clocks. Who needs em. Mine is always wrong.

Oh, I need all the oven clocks perfectly synced up or it does my head in!

Apologies, ovens are not really sideways in real life!

force eleven · 31-03-2019 12:17pm

EU proposed it, therefore I'm agin' it.

dxhound2005 · 31-03-2019 12:49pm

force eleven wrote: »

EU proposed it, therefore I'm agin' it.

Germany invented the current system.

prunudo · 31-03-2019 2:47pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

That is the way I vote in elections and referendums. If someone has a nice name, I subconsciously vote for them without thinking about it. And I always vote for Yes in referendums because it sounds nicer than No.

The government will always word the question in a referendum to suit the way it wants to change the law. So the majority of the time you're asked to vote yes as subconsciously it sounds like a better option and improves the 'bad' or draconian law that is being replaced.

31-03-2019 3:21pm

jvan wrote: »

The government will always word the question in a referendum to suit the way it wants to change the law. So the majority of the time you're asked to vote yes as subconsciously it sounds like a better option and improves the 'bad' or draconian law that is being replaced.

Or because in a referendum we are always asked about a proposed change to the Constitution ?

"Yes" means we want it/agree to it and "No" means we don't want it/disagree - Too simple?

How could it be the other way around, eg, "Yes" means we don't want it/disagree?

Mantis Toboggan · 31-03-2019 3:35pm

Paddy Cow wrote: »

As for Leo wanting to stay on the same time as the UK, that's not going to happen because if the UK do end up leaving the EU, they will probably stay on the system they have now, so no matter what time we chose, we'll still be out of sync with them for half the year if they have DST and we don't. If we can manage half the year, then we can manage a full year. It's not our problem if the UK want to do their own thing. Let them off.

Well Leo could choose to just leave it as is. Hopefully not but he's a bit of a numpty so who knows.

Paddy Cow · 31-03-2019 3:38pm

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Well Leo could choose to just leave it as is. Hopefully not but he's a bit of a numpty so who knows.

I thought he can't though. The EU overlords have decided that all countries will get rid of DST and have to chose between summer or winter. Is opting out an option? I'd rather stay with the system we have now, then have wintertime all year.

Mantis Toboggan · 31-03-2019 4:10pm

Paddy Cow wrote: »

I thought he can't though. The EU overlords have decided that all countries will get rid of DST and have to chose between summer or winter. Is opting out an option? I'd rather stay with the system we have now, then have wintertime all year.

No its only a recommendation from the EU it's upto each country if they want to implement it.

dxhound2005 · 31-03-2019 4:18pm

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

No its only a recommendation from the EU it's upto each country if they want to implement it.

If it becomes law, it will be mandatory.

Under the current law, which has been in place for member states for two decades, clocks are moved ahead one hour on the last Sunday in March to create daylight saving time, and then moved back to standard time on the last Sunday in October. The European Parliament voted 410 to 192 on Tuesday to back a draft law to abolish the twice-a-year switch.

Under the draft law, each of the 28 countries in the bloc (although Britain may have left by then) will have to choose before 2021 whether it will follow daylight saving time throughout the year or maintain standard time.

janfebmar · 31-03-2019 6:42pm

The government is trying to encourage people to play sport, be active etc. If it got dark each evening this comin week (or in October) at 7 pm this evening instead of 8 pm, how would that encourage that? It would discourage outdoor activities after work / not make them feasible in many cases.

BeerWolf · 31-03-2019 7:11pm

Working today, missing an hour of sleep... I WANT MY HOUR BACK!!

Franz Von Peppercorn · 31-03-2019 7:34pm

Nice and bright at 7:30 pm. Great. 6 months of this ahead.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 31-03-2019 7:34pm

BeerWolf wrote: »

Working today, missing an hour of sleep... I WANT MY HOUR BACK!!

October.

judeboy101 · 31-03-2019 7:39pm

janfebmar wrote: »

The government is trying to encourage people to play sport, be active etc. If it got dark each evening this comin week (or in October) at 7 pm this evening instead of 8 pm, how would that encourage that? It would discourage outdoor activities after work / not make them feasible in many cases.

They are also encouraging us to cycle and walk to work/school etc, in pitch dark for 3 months if we go to permanent summertime.

highdef · 31-03-2019 8:06pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Nice and bright at 7:30 pm. Great. 6 months of this ahead.

7 months before the clocks go back

no.8 · 31-03-2019 8:16pm

judeboy101 wrote:

They are also encouraging us to cycle and walk to work/school etc, in pitch dark for 3 months if we go to permanent summertime.

Inflammatory nonsense. It works both ways. Most rather have that hour of light in the afternoon rather than the morning (well for many its dark either way)

EU to recommend abolishing DST

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