Is it ok to be proud to be white?

thebull85

The coverage on Aretha Franklin's death today on sky news today featured tweets from several
"celebrities" about how Aretha epitimoised Black pride.

This has got me thinking, is it ok to be proud to be white or has the KKK's use of the words "white pride" made it so that billions of other white people are unable to utter those words.

Id like to see a poll on this.

thebull85

Another example of this would be mexican mma fighter Cain Velasquez who has a tattoo "Brown Pride" on his chest.

There has never been much comment on this.

Id wonder if a white MMA fighter had a White Pride tattoo what the reaction would be.

Jim Bob Scratcher

It's only okay if you're not white

pcuser

Of course it is, I wonder how many generations it will be before we are a minority

thebull85

pcuser wrote: »

Of course it is, I wonder how many generations it will be before we are a minority

White minority in Ireland id say is a long way off, an Irish minority id imagine will be a lot sooner.

yerwanthere123

This thread will go well.

_ZeeK_

I hear you're a racist now, father.

prinzeugen

thebull85 wrote: »

Another example of this would be mexican mma fighter Cain Velasquez who has a tattoo "Brown Pride" on his chest.

There has never been much comment on this.

Id wonder if a white MMA fighter had a White Pride tattoo what the reaction would be.

MMA fighters are dicks.

White people made the world what it is. Yes there was suffering, but in most cases it worked out well.

Religion is the problem today, not skin colours.

"Science flew people to the moon, religion flew people into skyscrapers"

OttoPilot

thebull85 wrote: »

The coverage on Aretha Franklin's death today on sky news today featured tweets from several
"celebrities" about how Aretha epitimoised Black pride.

This has got me thinking, is it ok to be proud to be white or has the KKK's use of the words "white pride" made it so that billions of other white people are unable to utter those words.

Id like to see a poll on this.

Why would we be proud of being white? It was a white British monarchy who starved our ancestors and denied their rights.

Riddle101

Seems like black pride is an American thing more then anything. Maybe i'm wrong about this but I don't see much talk about black pride in other countries.

In the case of the US though, black pride is important among black Americans due to the racism and oppression they suffered for years. However I would argue that black people being proud of being black is quite similar to Irish Americans people being proud of being Irish or Italian Americans being proud of being Italian.

As for white pride. I suppose it's taboo for things like that because of America's history and how some could look at it as a negative thing. It also doesn't help when racist organisations like the KKK use as well, it just further aggravates things.

thebull85

OttoPilot wrote: »

Why would we be proud of being white? It was a white British monarchy who starved our ancestors and denied their rights.

It was also white men that fought and died to free most of this island.

Jim Bob Scratcher

OttoPilot wrote: »

Why would we be proud of being white? It was a white British monarchy who starved our ancestors and denied their rights.

Never knew we were black

prinzeugen

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

Never knew we were black

That does not count. You can only get offended at white on coloured stuff, unless you had red hair..


Everyone forgets the great bastion of EU freedom. The French. More evil than the British.

DavidLyons_

Being proud of the colour one happens, by a twist of fate, to be born is fine. It’s probably a deeply embedded primal instinct.

It’s the hating of other colors that’s the problem.

If you feel the need to display “Brown Pride”, “White Pride”, “Black Pride” or any other variation of the theme via a tattoo or flag, banner, poster etc. then I have some bad news for you... you’re a racist cnut!!

If you happen to be an apologist for any of these stances, you are also a racist cnut!!

pcuser

prinzeugen wrote: »

Religion is the problem today, not skin colours.

"Science flew people to the moon, religion flew people into skyscrapers"

Because of the colour of you skin it will dictate your religion in more cases than not. I still believe in one less god than all of them, But they will wipe out humanity because of this(Religion) . With the influx of Economic Migrants to Europe, Who knows what Europe will be like in 50 years. Possibly a white minority.

thebull85

DavidLyons_ wrote: »

Being proud of the colour one happens, by a twist of fate, to be born is fine. It’s probably a deeply embedded primal instinct.

It’s the hating of other colors that’s the problem.

If you feel the need to display “Brown Pride”, “White Pride”, “Black Pride” or any other variation of the theme via a tattoo or flag, banner, poster etc. then I have some bad news for you... you’re a racist cnut!!

If you happen to be an apologist for any of these stances, you are also a racist cnut!!

Well said, and i would totally agree.

prinzeugen

DavidLyons_ wrote: »

Being proud of the colour one happens, by a twist of fate, to be born is fine. It’s probably a deeply embedded primal instinct.

It’s the hating of other colors that’s the problem.

If you feel the need to display “Brown Pride”, “White Pride”, “Black Pride” or any other variation of the theme via a tattoo or flag, banner, poster etc. then I have some bad news for you... you’re a racist cnut!!

If you happen to be an apologist for any of these stances, you are also a racist cnut!!

You forgot "Mothers Pride".. Sure that was a brand of bread in the UK!

Anyway you are right. In this day and age, skin colours should mean nothing.

Unless its films.. A black James Bond? No.

OttoPilot

thebull85 wrote: »

It was also white men that fought and died to free most of this island.

So? We should be proud that they were Irish, not that they were white. If you're cheering on 'white pride', you are an Irish uncle Tom cheering on British achievements.

OttoPilot

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

Never knew we were black

You should take a history lesson pal. Irish people weren't always treated well by the British.

thebull85

prinzeugen wrote: »

Unless its films.. A black James Bond? No.

He would of been ok for the role 10 years ago but too old starting the role now imo, nothing to do with him being black.

thebull85

OttoPilot wrote: »

You should take a history lesson pal. Irish people weren't always treated well by the British.

So are you saying thats a reason we shouldnt be proud to be white?

OttoPilot

thebull85 wrote: »

So are you saying thats a reason we shouldnt be proud to be white?

What specifically are you proud of white people achieving?

thebull85

OttoPilot wrote: »

What specifically are you proud of white people achieving?

I never actually stated i was proud of being white, i asked was it ok to be proud to be white.

Yer Da sells Avon

I'd be suspicious of anyone who claims to be 'proud to be white', not primarily because of the obvious white supremacy connotations, but because it's almost always a reaction to black pride. Which makes it, at the very least, petty and disingenuous.

thebull85

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

I'd be suspicious of anyone who claims to be 'proud to be white', not primarily because of the obvious white supremacy connotations, but because it's almost always a reaction to black pride. Which makes it, at the very least, petty and disingenuous.

So black pride ok, white pride not so much?

sabat

prinzeugen wrote: »

"Science flew people to the moon, religion flew people into skyscrapers"

Science incinerated 100,000+ people at Nagasaki and Hiroshima. On the op-20 years ago the only people you'd hear talking about "the white race" were neo-Nazis; the expression just didn't exist amongst Irish people talking about themselves.

prinzeugen

thebull85 wrote: »

He would of been ok for the role 10 years ago but too old starting the role now imo, nothing to do with him being black.

Everything to with being black. In 20 years time, would you be happy with Harry Potter being played by a Asian/African??

It is like the milky bar kid advert again.

Arghus

There's a particular type of thread that comes into existence at nearly two in the morning.

In my opinion...

Usually, but not always, when people refer to "pride" in the context of minorities, for example "Black pride" or "Gay Pride" it's a signifier that is ultimately about equality.

Usually, but not always, when people refer to "pride" in the context of a majority group, for example "White pride" or "straight pride" it's a statement designed to reinforce ideas of superiority, that now feel threatened.

thebull85

prinzeugen wrote: »

Everything to with being black. In 20 years time, would you be happy with Harry Potter being played by a Asian/African??

It is like the milky bar kid advert again.

I wouldnt give a bollok mate, because ive no interest in Harry Potter.

prinzeugen

sabat wrote: »

Science incinerated 100,000+ people at Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

But saved millions of lives. Read history books.

splashuum

Stating you are proud to be white would now probably be considered “nazi hate speech”.

Yer Da sells Avon

thebull85 wrote: »

So black pride ok, white pride not so much?

Not if it's merely a reaction to black pride.

thebull85

sabat wrote: »

Science incinerated 100,000+ people at Nagasaki and Hiroshima. On the op-20 years ago the only people you'd hear talking about "the white race" were neo-Nazis; the expression just didn't exist amongst Irish people talking about themselves.

Just goes to show you the massive changes that have taken place in the last 20 years.

OttoPilot

thebull85 wrote: »

I never actually stated i was proud of being white, i asked was it ok to be proud to be white.

And I'm asking what's the reason any Irishman would be proud of being 'white'. Most 'white' achievements are those of Anglo-saxon protestants who never treated us very well.

I think British and American people can be proud of their countries' achievements but they also have some very questionable pasts.

You're conflating 'whiteness' with the experience of black people and other minorities in the US. I think you consume too much American media.

sabat

thebull85 wrote: »

Just goes to show you the massive changes that have taken place in the last 20 years.

Or maybe the public are being coerced into assuming a non-existent identity due to the spread of American culture and media manipulation via the internet.

thebull85

OttoPilot wrote: »

And I think you consume too much American media.

All due respect to you mate, but you couldnt be more wrong with that statement.

thebull85

OttoPilot wrote: »

And I'm asking what's the reason any Irishman would be proud of being 'white'. Most 'white' achievements are those of Anglo-saxon protestants who never treated us very well.

I think British and American people can be proud of their countries' achievements but they also have some very questionable pasts.

You're conflating 'whiteness' with the experience of black people and other minorities in the US.

Well people can say what they want about the state of the world today, but i think we are where we are today because of the white race. Theres not too much innovation coming from Africa.

OttoPilot

thebull85 wrote: »

All due respect to you mate, but you couldnt be more wrong with that statement.

Well i disagree, seeing as black and white pride are almost exclusively American concepts.

sabat

splashuum wrote: »

Stating you are proud to be white would now probably be considered “nazi hate speech”.

No, you'd just be considered an idiot with nothing tangible to be proud of in your own life so you appropriate others' achievements.

"Hey some guy with the same amount of melanin in his body as me split the atom-that means I'm a genius too."

Arghus

I can almost hear the clinking glasses and get the faint whiff of urinal cakes from here.

thebull85

sabat wrote: »

No, you'd just be considered an idiot with nothing tangible to be proud of in your own life so you appropriate others' achievements.

"Hey some guy with the same amount of melanin in his body as me split the atom-that means I'm a genius too."

The point remains though that its ok for the media to push black pride down our throaths but no mention of white pride. Why?

Yer Da sells Avon

prinzeugen wrote: »

Everything to with being black. In 20 years time, would you be happy with Harry Potter being played by a Asian/African??

So far, James Bond has been English, Welsh, Shcottish, Irish and Australian. He's also been 5'10" and 6'2", depending on who played him. How would him being black be a specific problem?

Arghus

thebull85 wrote: »

The point remains though that its ok for the media to push black pride down our throaths but no mention of white pride. Why?

I must have missed Black History Month on RTÉ.

thebull85

Arghus wrote: »

I must have missed Black History Month on RTÉ.

You can catch up by watching the 6 o clock RTE news, daily.

OttoPilot

thebull85 wrote: »

Well people can say what they want about the state of the world today, but i think we are where we are today because of the white race. Theres not too much innovation coming from Africa.

You keep referring to a white race as if you're an American.

Just because you and I are white, doesn't mean we have any connection to the white people's achievements in the US, so I don't see why any random white person would have pride for achievements of another white person thousands of miles away.

OttoPilot

thebull85 wrote: »

The point remains though that its ok for the media to push black pride down our throaths but no mention of white pride. Why?

Like I said, too much American media.

thebull85

OttoPilot wrote: »

Like I said, too much American media.

You're totally wrong, american media would be the last thing id be consuming.

Arghus

thebull85 wrote: »

You can catch up by watching the 6 o clock RTE news, daily.

I think you're drunk. Or at least very, very high.

thebull85

Arghus wrote: »

I think you're drunk. Or at least very, very high.

I wish mate, got collared for a night shift. Am i posting like im drunk? lol

sabat

thebull85 wrote: »

The point remains though that its ok for the media to push black pride down our throaths but no mention of white pride. Why?

If my mother (still alive) had been from the southern USA its quite likely that as a child she would have met an elderly black person who had been born as a slave. That's how recently slavery existed in that country. Blacks weren't even people - they were property. That's their starting point.

OttoPilot

thebull85 wrote: »

You're totally wrong, american media would be the last thing id be consuming.

Show me some Irish media shoving black pride down your throat then.