Donald Trump is the President Mark IV (Read Mod Warning in OP)

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Eric Cartman wrote: »

So was bernie sanders guilty of incitement for his comments about the rich ?

Care to post which comments you are talking about?

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relax carry on wrote: »

Remind me which one is supposed to be the President of United States of America?

You know you can believe two things at once right? Trump's rhetoric towards the press is wrong and Acosta is a disgrace to his profession. He's treated the press less badly compared to how they've treated him since day 1, remember his Nazi-esque inauguration speech.

Story will be lost in a day because of the Sessions news. I don't dare dwell on it any longer as I'll be accused of " distraction ", whatever that is. I'm getting the popcorn ready.

SimonTemplar

It will be very interesting to see Trump's response and behavior if Don Jr is indicted.

Has the child of a sitting president ever been charged with a felony before?

Eric Cartman

Tell me how wrote: »

Care to post which comments you are talking about?

Let’s wrench power back from the billionaires

Let us wage a moral and political war against the billionaires and corporate leaders, on Wall Street and elsewhere, whose policies and greed are destroying the middle class of America.

What Wall Street and credit card companies are doing is really not much different from what gangsters and loan sharks do who make predatory loans.

He is also a supporter of the 'occupy Wall Street' movement of which slogans like 'eat the rich' 'end the 1%' and talk about killing bankers and billionaires was common.

batgoat

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Let’s wrench power back from the billionaires

Let us wage a moral and political war against the billionaires and corporate leaders, on Wall Street and elsewhere, whose policies and greed are destroying the middle class of America.

What Wall Street and credit card companies are doing is really not much different from what gangsters and loan sharks do who make predatory loans.

He is also a supporter of the 'occupy Wall Street' movement of which slogans like 'eat the rich' 'end the 1%' and talk about killing bankers and billionaires was common.

The occupy wall street movement are not really comparable to the types that attempt to kill journalists. A moral and political war doesn't imply violence at all. How do you think this is comparable to labeling the free press as 'enemies of the people'? Trump's remark sounds more like remarks that Putin would make about his political enemies... :rolleyes:

You can also claim that Trump had no influence over the magabomber but his vehicle was covered in Trump stickers. The people he targeted were all people that Trump regularly makes pretty nasty attacks against. And CNN are the prime media outlet that he targets in his attacks... So you really would have to have your head in the clouds to think Trump's remarks aren't remotely dangerous...

Larbre34

Acosta should've belted that attendant in the head with the mic and then f***ed it at Trump. Hard.

Tell me how

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Let’s wrench power back from the billionaires

YOu could then say anyone who wants to grab power at an election is doing so violently as opposed to dominating the ballot, which is of course what Sanders was implying (as you know).

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Let us wage a moral and political war against the billionaires and corporate leaders, on Wall Street and elsewhere, whose policies and greed are destroying the middle class of America.

He actually said "moral and political" i.e. not a violent one.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

What Wall Street and credit card companies are doing is really not much different from what gangsters and loan sharks do who make predatory loans.

That's like saying someone is advocating theft by describing a pickpockets actions.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

He is also a supporter of the 'occupy Wall Street' movement of which slogans like 'eat the rich' 'end the 1%' and talk about killing bankers and billionaires was common.

He is a supporter of the premise that Wall Street is too powerful. that is a long way from the extremists who think something should be done about it.

Eric Cartman

batgoat wrote: »

The occupy wall street movement are not really comparable to the types that attempt to kill journalists. A moral and political war doesn't imply violence at all. How do you think this is comparable to labeling the free press as 'enemies of the people'? Trump's remark sounds more like remarks that Putin would make about his political enemies... :rolleyes:

You can also claim that Trump had no influence over the magabomber but his vehicle was covered in Trump stickers. The people he targeted were all people that Trump regularly makes pretty nasty attacks against. And CNN are the prime media outlet that he targets in his attacks... So you really would have to have your head in the clouds to think Trump's remarks aren't remotely dangerous...

Donald trump never asked this man to do this , nor is he any more responsible than that John Lennon for that lad who thought beetles songs were an instruction to kill, If we want to conflate the actions of that man to what trump says then we should equally be blaming bernie sanders for antifa smashing up banks.

prawnsambo

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Let’s wrench power back from the billionaires

Let us wage a moral and political war against the billionaires and corporate leaders, on Wall Street and elsewhere, whose policies and greed are destroying the middle class of America.

What Wall Street and credit card companies are doing is really not much different from what gangsters and loan sharks do who make predatory loans.

He is also a supporter of the 'occupy Wall Street' movement of which slogans like 'eat the rich' 'end the 1%' and talk about killing bankers and billionaires was common.

The whataboutery here is ridiculous. You are comparing what random protesters may have said: "common slogans" and giving them the same weight as statements from the POTUS. And then attributing them to Sanders by proxy.

There's reaching and there's clutching at straws. This isn't debate.

I've had to wade through numerous posts like the above from you. I've come to the conclusion that it's a waste of my time reading them. At least I can control that.

SeamusFX

Larbre34 wrote: »

Acosta should've belted that attendant in the head with the mic and then f***ed it at Trump. Hard.

If a Republican did that to President Obama, he’d be a GOP hero and up for Sainthood by Fox News!

Igotadose

2 Scoops wrote: »

You know you can believe two things at once right? Trump's rhetoric towards the press is wrong and Acosta is a disgrace to his profession. He's treated the press less badly compared to how they've treated him since day 1, remember his Nazi-esque inauguration speech.

Acosta looked pretty good standing up to the 'goon in chief.' FFS Trump looked like he was going to go mano-a-mano with the reporter that he's been haranguing for the better part of a year. It's classic bullying - pick on the same person over and over again. To Acosta's credit, he doesn't back down.

Trump's inauguration speech was dreadful, like pretty much all of them. Him being possibly the worst speaker as President in history, that's quite the accomplishment.

Trump should apologize, but we know that'll never happen.

I don't get the 'disgrace to his profession bit.' Care to explain? Just because Trump doesn't like the guy doesn't mean you don't have to as well. He's a reporter, they're more or less indistinguishable. But, not to Trump.

Trump also is playing the idiot's game when it comes to his "plea' for balance. If you do a few good things, but a lot of very visible bad things, they don't balance out - cutting taxes doesn't compensate for separating children from parents, for example. It's not a balanced scale - life isn't that way. It's not like he's doing anyone any favors, by signing that legislation. He was elected to execute on his promises, he did, yay, pat on the head, now get on to the rest of it. But not Trump, no, got to keep getting gratitude for something he did, like he's doing us a favor.

The reporters all leading with groveling 'thank you Mr. President' at the start of their questions was pretty telling, too. The guy needs to be worshipped before he'll answer. *He* should be grateful the reporters are there to communicate his visions and plans to the rest of the country, not the other way around.

Really, if there were ever an example needed to the loser Cabinet on whether the 25th amendment is applicable, it was that interchange at the Press conference. Hard to watch. The guy in charge of the most powerful military in the world just losing it at a reporter who was trying to get an answer to a question from him.

Duck Soup

SimonTemplar wrote: »

It will be very interesting to see Trump's response and behavior if Don Jr is indicted.

Has the child of a sitting president ever been charged with a felony before?

Not unless you count Chelsea Clinton's conviction for running a methamphetamine lab.

I'm pretty sure that Mueller has a whole lot of stuff on Don Junior. And unless the President himself is clinically insane, then he would have been kept a million miles away from it. It's how mob dons kept out of jail for decades. No one could tie them to rackets. Keep the boss insulated. That's why Trump's so sure the investigation won't touch him.

Problem is, Don Junior is monumentally stupid and I've no doubt there's more than enough to charge him on a number of counts and I think that's Mueller's strategy. Mueller knows that Trump himself is balls-deep in cahoots with the Russians but he also knows he won't be able to prove it. So convict as many people as possible and as close as possible to Trump. He'll still be President, but his administration will be in tatters.

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Igotadose wrote: »

I don't get the 'disgrace to his profession bit.' Care to explain? Just because Trump doesn't like the guy doesn't mean you don't have to as well. He's a reporter, they're more or less indistinguishable. But, not to Trump.

A reporter doesn't do the things Acosta does like yelling in situations where's there's zero chance of any type of reply. That's called political activism. Take your pick, there's literally dozens of examples between Trump, Sanders other members of the administration. Tell me, what does it actually achieve besides drawing direct attention to Acosta himself?

https://twitter.com/levinejonathan/status/1012775962793168898?lang=en

https://twitter.com/LevineJonathan/status/1006355132358053889?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1006355132358053889&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Finsider.foxnews.com%2F2018%2F06%2F11%2Fjim-acosta-shouts-question-trump-and-kim-jong-un-singapore-summit

Pelvis

Is this your first time watching television? The press constantly shout out questions to the president at times when he's not actually answering them.

Christy42

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Igotadose wrote: »

I don't get the 'disgrace to his profession bit.' Care to explain? Just because Trump doesn't like the guy doesn't mean you don't have to as well. He's a reporter, they're more or less indistinguishable. But, not to Trump.

A reporter doesn't do the things Acosta does like yelling in situations where's there's zero chance of any type of reply. That's called political activism. Take your pick, there's literally dozens of examples between Trump, Sanders other members of the administration. Tell me, how does it does it actually achieve anything besides drawing direct attention to Acosta himself?

https://twitter.com/levinejonathan/status/1012775962793168898?lang=en

https://twitter.com/LevineJonathan/status/1006355132358053889?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1006355132358053889&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Finsider.foxnews.com%2F2018%2F06%2F11%2Fjim-acosta-shouts-question-trump-and-kim-jong-un-singapore-summit

It is a Trump press conference there is a serious lack of replies to normal questions. What does most of Trump's rants and ravings do aside from draw attention to himself. I don't know why this man is being held to a higher standard than the POTUS.

Acosta lost his cool. Given how much Trump has insulted his profession over the last year and called them enemy of the people while simply ignoring all questions. You can see why.

hill16bhoy

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Let’s wrench power back from the billionaires

Let us wage a moral and political war against the billionaires and corporate leaders, on Wall Street and elsewhere, whose policies and greed are destroying the middle class of America.

What Wall Street and credit card companies are doing is really not much different from what gangsters and loan sharks do who make predatory loans.

He is also a supporter of the 'occupy Wall Street' movement of which slogans like 'eat the rich' 'end the 1%' and talk about killing bankers and billionaires was common.

Bernie Sanders doesn't use obvious anti-semitic tropes to whip up hatred intimidation and violence against Jews and create a climate of fear for them, then pathetically deny all knowledge of what he was doing, like Trump does.

He fervently and honourably campaigns for economic justice for the less well off in society, which he is absolutely right to do, and which is the polar opposite of what Trump actually does, which is to screw the poor, working and middle classes while feathering the nests of the very richest, like himself.

Eric Cartman

hill16bhoy wrote: »

Bernie Sanders doesn't use obvious anti-semitic tropes to whip up hatred intimidation and violence against Jews, then pathetically deny all knowledge of what he was doing, like Trump does.

He fervently and honourably campaigns for economic justice for the less well off in society, which he is absolutely right to do, and which is the polar opposite of what Trump actuallly does, which is to screw the poor and working classes while feathering the nests of the very richest, like himself.

ahh come off it, what anti-semitism, he moved the damn embassy to Jerusalem and has been militantly pro Israel.

Rjd2

2 Scoops wrote: »

You know you can believe two things at once right? Trump's rhetoric towards the press is wrong and Acosta is a disgrace to his profession. He's treated the press less badly compared to how they've treated him since day 1, remember his Nazi-esque inauguration speech.

Acosta will always get a free pass because of how odious Trump is, but Acosta while obviously not as dangerous as Trump is an absolute grandstanding partisan hack. Plenty of fine journalists on the left have been churning out hard hitting interviews and questions towards Trump and his inner circle without the need to grand stand to the masses.

Still shocked by how obnoxious he was especially towards that poor lass who had the misfortune to be in the middle of two self obsessed clowns.

Worst thing about it is, both will be loving it behind the scenes as its all about mantaining there egos, expect numerous more confrontations over the next year. Joy.

Hurrache

Jeb Bush defending Acosta, that'll confuse some people as they won't know what they're supposed to think now.

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Pelvis wrote: »

Is this your first time watching television? The press constantly shout out questions to the president at times when he's not actually answering them.

Not in the manner that Acosta does, he's literally at the back of a crowd who're clapping and he's roaring questions knowing they can't be heard. Kim meeting was only at the beginning before the agreement was negotiated and he's shouting questions he knows can't be answered. He's continuously pulled these stunts throughout Trump's Presidency. I don't dislike Acosta, but p-p-please, don't take me for a fool when we both know what he's doing, he's pretty good at it.

https://twitter.com/AprilDRyan/status/1012799505496932353

Hurrache

You found one tweet in a sea of approval and support for Acosta.

You seem like you'd be happier in a dictatorship in which nobody tries to ask questions.

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Hurrache wrote: »

You found one tweet in a sea of approval and support for Acosta.

You seem like you'd be happier in a dictatorship in which nobody tries to ask questions.

Sorry, I must have imagined the part where he called Acosta and answered two of his questions. If you bothered to look you'd see Trump holds impromptu press sessions on the lawn before and after departing the white house on a weekly if not more regular basis. Pretty much every time he goes somewhere he stops and answers questions. If you think Acosta has a sea of approval and support you're the one who is lost at sea. Later during the summit signing, he starts shouting questions about Otto Warmbier during the process. Do you think that's appropriate?

Besides dming people on twitter and saying "F you" for tweets poking fun at him, this is how these reporters talk in the real world. They're vultures with a fake public persona, you can either choose to buy into it, or not.

https://streamable.com/wmewi

hill16bhoy

Eric Cartman wrote: »

ahh come off it, what anti-semitism, he moved the damn embassy to Jerusalem and has been militantly pro Israel.

Another tired old trope from a Trumpist.

You do realise that Trump plays both the anti-semitism card and the fanatically pro-Israel cards simultaneously?

And that they are by no means mutually exclusive?

Trump's "coalition" includes both the fanatically pro-Israel evangelicals, and naked anti-semites and Nazis.

Trump explicitly plays to the anti-semites of the far right. He does it when he mentions George Soros, when talks about "globalists", when he includes a silhouette of the Star of David with "Most Corrupt Canidate Ever" inside it beside a picture of Hillary Clinton, when he deliberately insults Jewish journalists questioning him at press conferences, when he plays up to conspiracy nut Alex Jones, when he employed the anti-semite Steve Bannon, when he equivocated about Nazis, when his response to the Pittsburgh synagogue massacre was an absolute disgrace.

Clear dog whistles equating corruption, wealth and insidious influence and conspiracy with Jews are 1930s stuff, and anybody who can't see that is either spectacularly ignorant or a troll.

The fact that his son-in-law is Jewish is utterly irrelevant. Trump plays both sides and is shameless about it. He literally cannot be shamed.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Trump has enabled the rise of anti-semitism in the US because it suits him electorally and he knows it. He never properly condemns anti-semitism because he fears the far right might abandon him.

You do realise that Israel itself is on good terms with anti-semitic despots like Orban and Duterte?

Logic has never been a strong point of Trump supporters or far right extremists. That's why you get self-proclaimed "British patriots" turning up at far right marches with swastikas tatooed into them.

Under what previous Republican president could these ads have been run?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/11/06/republicans-attack-jewish-candidates-across-us-with-an-age-old-caricature-fistfuls-cash/?utm_term=.6847aa66ceed

Under what previous Republican president do you think an actual Nazi and Holocaust denier could feel so emboldened to stand for the Republicans in a House election and get a significant vote, as Arthur Jones did in Illinois 3?

Hurrache

2 Scoops wrote: »

Sorry, I must have imagined the part .......
They're vultures

Not sure exactly what you missed, apart from his persistence in calling the press the enemy of the people as you don't seem to have issue with it, but your issue is with the press themselves. Like a good supporter should, gold star on the way from HQ for you.

Professor Moriarty

2 Scoops wrote: »

Sorry, I must have imagined the part where he called Acosta and answered two of his questions. If you bothered to look you'd see Trump holds impromptu press sessions on the lawn before and after departing the white house on a weekly if not more regular basis. Pretty much every time he goes somewhere he stops and answers questions. If you think Acosta has a sea of approval and support you're the one who is lost at sea. Later during the summit signing, he starts shouting questions about Otto Warmbier during the process. Do you think that's appropriate?

Besides dming people on twitter and saying "F you" for tweets poking fun at him, this is how these reporters talk in the real world. They're vultures with a fake public persona, you can either choose to buy into it, or not.

https://streamable.com/wmewi

Let's forget about some randomer reporter. Let's just remember, none of this distracts from the fact that the president is boorish and behaved in a very undignified way today.

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hill16bhoy wrote: »

Trump has enabled the rise of anti-semitism in the US because it suits him electorally and he knows it. He never properly condemns anti-semitism because he fears the far right might abandon him.

This Woman was just elected to congress as a Democrat.

https://twitter.com/ilhanmn/status/269488770066313216?lang=en

Oh look, here's Trump condemning anti Antisemitism "properly" as you put it. You lie.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-condemns-shooting-as-a-wicked-act-of-anti-semitism-1540676426

"President Trump denounced the mass shooting inside a Pittsburgh synagogue as a “wicked act of pure evil and anti-Semitic,” and for the fourth consecutive day condemned political violence."

If you want to talk some facts, have a read about the rise of antisemitism in NYC.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/31/nyregion/jewish-bias-safety-nyc.html

Buried in the article is this;

"If anti-Semitism bypasses consideration as a serious problem in New York, it is to some extent because it refuses to conform to an easy narrative with a single ideological enemy. During the past 22 months, not one person caught or identified as the aggressor in an anti-Semitic hate crime has been associated with a far right-wing group, Mark Molinari, commanding officer of the police department’s Hate Crimes Task Force, told me."

One of these attacks was caught on camera, doesn't look like some far right winger to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdO6U-INYnU

Eric Cartman

hill16bhoy wrote: »

Another tired old trope from a Trumpist.

You do realise that Trump plays both the anti-semitism card and the fanatically pro-Israel cards simultaneously?

And that they are by no means mutually exclusive?

Trump's "coalition" includes both the fanatically pro-Israel evangelicals, and naked anti-semites and Nazis.

Trump explicitly plays to the anti-semites of the far right. He does it when he mentions George Soros, when talks about "globalists", when he includes a silhouette of the Star of David with "Most Corrupt Canidate Ever" inside it beside a picture of Hillary Clinton, when he deliberately insults Jewish journalists questioning him at press conferences, when he plays up to conspiracy nut Alex Jones, when he employed the anti-semite Steve Bannon, when he equivocated about Nazis, when his response to the Pittsburgh synagogue massacre was an absolute disgrace.

Clear dog whistles equating corruption, wealth and insidious influence and conspiracy with Jews are 1930s stuff, and anybody who can't see that is either spectacularly ignorant or a troll.

The fact that his son-in-law is Jewish is utterly irrelevant. Trump plays both sides and is shameless about it. He literally cannot be shamed.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Trump has enabled the rise of anti-semitism in the US because it suits him electorally and he knows it. He never properly condemns anti-semitism because he fears the far right might abandon him.

You do realise that Israel itself is on good terms with anti-semitic despots like Orban and Duterte?

Logic has never been a strong point of Trump supporters or far right extremists. That's why you get self-proclaimed "British patriots" turning up at far right marches with swastikas tatooed into them.

Under what previous Republican president could these ads have been run?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/11/06/republicans-attack-jewish-candidates-across-us-with-an-age-old-caricature-fistfuls-cash/?utm_term=.6847aa66ceed

Under what previous Republican president do you think an actual Nazi and Holocaust denier could feel so emboldened to stand for the Republicans in a House election and get a significant vote, as Arthur Jones did in Illinois 3?

can I have proof of any of these things highlighted. Also he attacks all journalists, not just jewish ones, was he particularly bad to them ? did he know they were jewish ?

this is verging on conspiracy theory stuff.

oscarBravo

hill16bhoy wrote: »

You do realise that Trump plays both the anti-semitism card and the fanatically pro-Israel cards simultaneously?

I've said it before: Trump makes it easy for people to justify their support for him by contradicting himself constantly, often in the same sentence. All his supporters have to do is quote him when he says the things they want to hear, and ignore him when he says the things they don't.

Obviously this takes a pretty incredible act of self-deception, but if his supporters had a problem with deception they wouldn't be his supporters.

oscarBravo

Eric Cartman wrote: »

can I have proof of any of these things highlighted.

Why? Have you been living under a rock? If you are given proof of these things, will you suddenly change your mind about supporting him?

Eric Cartman

oscarBravo wrote: »

Why? Have you been living under a rock? If you are given proof of these things, will you suddenly change your mind about supporting him?

I don't think there is proof, If anything I've been critical of his views on Israel and think its too much, I'd believe a lot of things but there'd have to be some pretty rock solid stuff to prove anti-semitism. If its just abusing a cnn journo who happens to be jewish then thats not enough.