US Presidential Election 2020

Danzy

Jesus effing Christ wrote: »

Ok, I hear what you're saying

Now, why isn't Bernie Sanders going to win?

3rd in all the early States, as they go on he is slipping in later State polls.

In South Carolina he is 24% behind Biden.

There isn't the same excitement about him this time, he is well liked and for good reason but the numbers are not working out for him.

Dave_The_Sheep

Overly simplistic and not backed up opinion: Biden means that the Democrats haven't learned a thing from 2016.

He's establishment. It's not a vote turner.

stefanovich wrote: »

The creepy one who can't keep his hands to himself.

Who are we referring to here. I mean, given the incumbant I'd have thought that's a positive, no?

Danzy

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

Overly simplistic and not backed up opinion: Biden means that the Democrats haven't learned a thing from 2016.

He's establishment. It's not a vote turner.



Who are we referring to here. I mean, given the incumbant I'd have thought that's a positive, no?

The Jimmy Saville vibe off Biden around young girls.

briany

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Jesse Ventura.

- Is a political outsider but has some solid experience in office
- Former wrestler who could talk people into the building. Could go toe-to-toe with Trump in the verbal department.
- Has views that would excite much of the younger generations, such as being pro-cannabis

StringerBell

stefanovich wrote: »

The creepy one who can't keep his hands to himself.

you wrote:

I see lots of posts like this. Comparing republicans to apes or unevolved creatures. Ridiculing and denigrating Trump supporters. Always from a perceived position of intellectual or moral superiority. Sickening.

The ironing is building up there lad.

stefanovich

StringerBell wrote: »

The ironing is building up there lad.

There are multiple videos with Biden practically groping young girls and women. This guy was talking about "knuckle draggers" with reference to a large group of people.

StringerBell

stefanovich wrote: »

There are multiple videos with Biden practically groping young girls and women. This guy was talking about "knuckle draggers" with reference to a large group of people.

Which guy?

Quin_Dub

Stringbell , Stefanovich.

Cut it out please.

rossie1977

Trump is behind to all top 5-6 Dems in recent Georgia poll. He is 8 points behind Biden.

I expect Trump to win Georgia come next November and no Dem has won that state since Clinton in 92 (so should be safe enough Republican) but it really highlights how poorly Trump is doing in the state.

https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/ajc-poll-trump-faces-tough-election-fight-georgia/gqTRms8eLIL1TEFW2r8pKN/

Jesus effing Christ

Danzy wrote: »

3rd in all the early States, as they go on he is slipping in later State polls.

In South Carolina he is 24% behind Biden.

There isn't the same excitement about him this time, he is well liked and for good reason but the numbers are not working out for him.

Even if I agreed with every word of this, which I don't, you're still a million miles away from "Sanders isn't going to win"
Way too many moving parts right now to even try separate one of the
Top 3.
At this stage I'd be slow to even say Klobuchar isn't going to win.

Danzy

Jesus effing Christ wrote: »

Even if I agreed with every word of this, which I don't, you're still a million miles away from "Sanders isn't going to win"
Way too many moving parts right now to even try separate one of the
Top 3.
At this stage I'd be slow to even say Klobuchar isn't going to win.

Well you could say the bit about him not going to win, the bit about lack of excitement is personal opinion.

The polling stats are not though.

I'll meet you half way and say he still is in contention but he really needs to step himself and his campaign up several notches in the next 2 months or he can forget about it.

eagle eye

Whatever about winning the nomination Sanders has no hope of winning a presidential election.
Like a 78 year old socialust with a recent heart attack is not getting elected if he survives to the polls.

Danzy

eagle eye wrote: »

Whatever about winning the nomination Sanders has no hope of winning a presidential election.
Like a 78 year old socialust with a recent heart attack is not getting elected if he survives to the polls.

I agree.

I like Bernie, trust him, agree with him but a Sanders Presidency would also come with the copious crazy that no dominates the Democratic Party.

Fr Tod Umptious

Deval Patrick former Massachusetts governor has entered the race.


https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2019/11/14/ex-massachusetts-gov-patrick-officially-announces-presidential-bid

FrostyJack

briany wrote:

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Jesse Ventura.

Jessa Ventura got elected on a protest vote not dissimilar to Trump. I can't remember if was successful in the job. Last I heard he was living in disgrace in Mexico thanks to the pyscopath Chris Kyle spreading lies about him. Couple that with his unhinged conspiracy theories and he has some signs of some degenerative disease he would get no support from any backers.

pixelburp

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Deval Patrick former Massachusetts governor has entered the race.


https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2019/11/14/ex-massachusetts-gov-patrick-officially-announces-presidential-bid

Headlines like that make me a little sad we can't post memes in the Politics forum, because I can't quite articulate my confusion without the aid of the "Jackie Chan confused" meme.

Why? Why on earth would he look to this bloated field, struggling to thin itself of the chaff, and think "I can do it!". I presume there's an angle to this, monetary or political I guess?

Fr Tod Umptious

pixelburp wrote: »

Headlines like that make me a little sad we can't post memes in the Politics forum, because I can't quite articulate my confusion without the aid of the "Jackie Chan confused" meme.

Why? Why on earth would he look to this bloated field, struggling to thin itself of the chaff, and think "I can do it!". I presume there's an angle to this, monetary or political I guess?

Served a couple of terms as MA governor, closely associated with Obama (he a as the first black governor of MA) things were on the up and up for him a few yeard ago.

Probably expected Hillary to get in on 2016 and get a cabinet job and possibly a run for president when she stepped down.

But then it all changed in 2016 and he is in the wilderness.

So he is probably trying to get back in the spotlight.

eagle eye

Deval Patrick will be a serious contender. He is younger than Biden and Sanders too.

Fr Tod Umptious

eagle eye wrote: »

Deval Patrick will be a serious contender. He is younger than Biden and Sanders too.

Yes he is 63
Not the youth that many are looking for from the Democrats but still a good deal younger than the other two front running males and the incumbent.

I don't know much about his policies, I listened to plenty of right leaning Massachusetts talk radio give out about him during his tenure but that's hardly surprising.

So what is he about ?
Could he be a decent compromise candidate ?

eagle eye

Fr Tod Umptious wrote:

So what is he about ? Could he be a decent compromise candidate ?

He is certainly not a socialist candidate. He will be liked by Wall Street and will be well funded as a result.

StringerBell

eagle eye wrote: »

He is certainly not a socialist candidate. He will be liked by Wall Street and will be well funded as a result.

Hasn't Bloomberg kind of filled that gap though?

Along with Biden, and to a lesser extent Mayor Pete.

It certainly indicates the majority of the democratic party membership are getting worried that one of the more progressives is going to take the nomination but I wonder are they going to be diluting their own vote share a bit too much. I think Biden getting caught up in this part of the impeachment has led to some thinking they need to hedge their bets in case it takes him down.

briany

FrostyJack wrote: »

Jessa Ventura got elected on a protest vote not dissimilar to Trump. I can't remember if was successful in the job. Last I heard he was living in disgrace in Mexico thanks to the pyscopath Chris Kyle spreading lies about him. Couple that with his unhinged conspiracy theories and he has some signs of some degenerative disease he would get no support from any backers.

- From what I gather, Ventura was a perfectly adequate public servant in his time as a governor.

- Ventura's spat with Kyle (in which Kyle was proven to be a liar), pales in insignificance with the fact that has on more than one occasion wilfully talked sh*t about ex-servicemen and their families, and totally got away with it.

- He doesn't live in disgrace in Mexico. He spends the Winters down there and the Summers in Minnesota.

- Yes, Ventura deals in unhinged conspiracy theories such as the JFK assassination. Well, actually, JFK is one of the most mainstream CTs there is. And if you look at his show, there's nothing on it on the level of Sandy Hook actors, or Pizzagate.

Nothing in his person that would really stop him. He'd be more scuppered by the fact that his star wouldn't be quite as high as Trump's, and he wouldn't be accepted by the Democratic establishment.

FrostyJack

briany wrote:

- He doesn't live in disgrace in Mexico. He spends the Winters down there and the Summers in Minnesota.

He said on Joe Rogan he was down there when the Kyle story broke and when he came back he was fired from his show, none of the networks would go near him. He had threats on his life so he was going back there I thought. Fox News don't go back and apologise for their lies so Republicans will still think he stole from a dead hero's family, Dems won't go near him over the conspiracy stuff, so that only leaves liberation route, which I think he sides with but that means he dead in the water due 2 party system.

Jesus effing Christ

eagle eye wrote: »

Deval Patrick will be a serious contender. He is younger than Biden and Sanders too.

You serious
He went to Bain Capitol straight after the governor gig

He left last Wednesday! 🀣🀣🀣
how about that for a revolving door


Heard him speak a while ago.

Medicare for all - straight up "No"

Increasing taxes on the rich - "yes, but directionly" (not sure what exactly he means by directionly but sounds a lot like bull**** to me. So he wont be going back on the trump tax cuts )

Eliminating student debt- "off course I support it and there are other strategies...( in other words go **** yourself students)

Overheal

Rep Rashida Tlaib (D-MI) found in emails and other primary evidence (https://oce.house.gov/sites/congressionalethics.house.gov/files/documents/Referral%20Exhibits.pdf) by the Office of Conressional Ethics to have Soliciting Campaign Funds for Personal Use

https://www.mediaite.com/news/house-ethics-committee-releases-emails-showing-rep-rashida-tlaib-soliciting-campaign-funds-for-personal-use/

Not clear that she's been charged with anything (yet?) or that she's even violated the ethics rules - there are also communications that make it appear they tried at least to navigate the applicable laws/ethics rules but TBD.

Fr Tod Umptious

Jesus effing Christ wrote: »

You serious
He went to Bain Capitol straight after the governor gig

He left last Wednesday! ������
how about that for a revolving door


Heard him speak a while ago.

Medicare for all - straight up "No"

Increasing taxes on the rich - "yes, but directionly" (not sure what exactly he means by directionly but sounds a lot like bull**** to me. So he wont be going back on the trump tax cuts )

Eliminating student debt- "off course I support it and there are other strategies...( in other words go **** yourself students)

But that's why he is in the race.

To come across as moderate compared to the other two on the (relative) "left" .

Think of it like the British general election.
Take Brexit out of it and look at Labour.
People would be scared that they are going too far to the left by British standards under Corbyn.

Just like people would fear that Warren or Sanders would bring America too far to the left by American standards.

By American standards, Medicare for all is to far to the left.

rossie1977

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

But that's why he is in the race.

To come across as moderate compared to the other two on the (relative) "left" .

Think of it like the British general election.
Take Brexit out of it and look at Labour.
People would be scared that they are going too far to the left by British standards under Corbyn.

Just like people would fear that Warren or Sanders would bring America too far to the left by American standards.

By American standards, Medicare for all is to far to the left.

Last sentence is not true. 60% of all Americans favour expanding Medicare for all to everyone or properly government funded national health care service

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110694453&postcount=1074

Republicans, corporate media, Democrat leadership yes medicare for all is far left because they and their donors will do everything in their power to make it not happen and try and convince people it's a terrible idea

Overheal

Deval Patrick 2020: Dead on Arrival?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/deval-patrick-pushed-out-officials-who-wanted-to-put-his-brother-in-law-on-sex-offender-registry/2019/11/15/955a784e-07ba-11ea-b388-434b5c1d7dd8_story.html

Pushed out officials that wanted his brother on sex offender registry.

eagle eye

It doesn't seem like he did anything wrong there besides try help protect his sister's children.
Edwards lost her case against him for defamation too.

MadYaker

Overheal wrote: »

Deval Patrick 2020: Dead on Arrival?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/deval-patrick-pushed-out-officials-who-wanted-to-put-his-brother-in-law-on-sex-offender-registry/2019/11/15/955a784e-07ba-11ea-b388-434b5c1d7dd8_story.html

Pushed out officials that wanted his brother on sex offender registry.

What a mess. He shouldn’t even have entered the race with all that going on in his family. How is the victim and her children going to feel with all this being dragged through the media yet again. Not to mention that he hasn’t a fcuking hope of getting the nomination. Gobsh!te.