US Presidential Election 2020

Quin_Dub

Igotadose wrote: »

#1 Priority will be the replacement for Ruth Bader Ginsberg. Clarence Thomas may not be around all that much longer either, per the rumor mill (though, I think he'd let Trump choose his replacement should it come to that. My guess is he retires after the election if the #IMPOTUS loses.)


Another guess it's probably not going to be a fast process, the state in question needs its own constitution accepted by its residents, then the Congress needs to accept it. Plus I can imagine local and national level legal wheeling and dealing by the GOP and Democratic party to ensure they get what's wanted out of the state.

Word is that McConnell et al are pressuring him hard to pull the trigger now at the end of this session of the Court so that they can ram another judge through before November.

If he stays beyond November and Biden wins , then he'd have to stay for another 4 or maybe 8 years to ensure a Conservative replacement - He's still youngish - 72 but he's there a long time.

Does he really want to serve for almost 40 years?

There's also a suggestion that Alito wants to retire as well

Interesting times..

On the Statehood thing - I think DC would be fairly straight-forward , Puerto Rico would be a lot more controversial and harder to get done.

Overheal

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Word is that McConnell et al are pressuring him hard to pull the trigger now at the end of this session of the Court so that they can ram another judge through before November.

If he stays beyond November and Biden wins , then he'd have to stay for another 4 or maybe 8 years to ensure a Conservative replacement - He's still youngish - 72 but he's there a long time.

Does he really want to serve for almost 40 years?

There's also a suggestion that Alito wants to retire as well

Interesting times..

On the Statehood thing - I think DC would be fairly straight-forward , Puerto Rico would be a lot more controversial and harder to get done.

Does McConnell want to retire, or something? Because this would directly violate their party's bleated principle of not appointing Justices in an election year. Confirming a new Justice before the election, and indeed before the next congress is sworn in, would be an irredeemable loss to the party's already stretched credibility for the foreseeable future.

This makes Trump losing all the more interesting, if 3 Justices plan to retire in the next year. The GOP will stop at nothing now I'm afraid to ensure that they install an all-conservative bench, if they win the makeup of the court will be 6-3 conservative with Breyer not terribly far behind on the retirement front. Whereas Biden winning would mean a 6-3 democrat-appointed majority, likely with Breyer retiring early. Interesting times. I suspect we already well know Biden's first Justice pick: Merrick Garland.

Quin_Dub

Overheal wrote: »

Does McConnell want to retire, or something? Because this would directly violate their party's bleated principle of not appointing Justices in an election year. Confirming a new Justice before the election, and indeed before the next congress is sworn in, would be an irredeemable loss to the party's already stretched credibility for the foreseeable future.

This makes Trump losing all the more interesting, if 3 Justices plan to retire in the next year. The GOP will stop at nothing now I'm afraid to ensure that they install an all-conservative bench, if they win the makeup of the court will be 6-3 conservative with Breyer not terribly far behind on the retirement front. Whereas Biden winning would mean a 6-3 democrat-appointed majority, likely with Breyer retiring early. Interesting times. I suspect we already well know Biden's first Justice pick: Merrick Garland.

No, apparently this would be "different" - something about the fact that the same party control both the Senate and WH so it would be ok and not breaking whatever rule they used the last time.

Contrived horsesh!t of course , the man is utterly reprehensible.

StringerBell

McConnel has already said, with his **** eating grin that if the situation like the garland one comes up this time around in the exact same circumstances he will fill that seat. He doesn't have shame, none of the top Republicans in office do seemingly.

rossie1977

Townton wrote: »

And most importantly if you ask those opening and moving business there it is the ease of doing business the low and in some areas non existing taxes. I have worked and been involved with business interests there if you think the business environment that has been created there has nothing to do with their massive growth then you need to think again.

So why aren't companies moving to Nevada? That's got zero tax.

Its on California's door step and no major fortune 500 company from California is moving across state lines..

What's also worth taking note of is the GOP are broadly even among dem voters I knew credited with this in Texas. Hence the simple flip that many will think is coming might not actually happen. But as I also said they are more will there then some think to kick out personalities they don't like so a once off to Biden is very possible I just don't see it being permanent.

Maybe the Republicans are but fact is their policies had little to do with Texas' success. You can't replicate what happened in Texas in say West Virginia.

I agree Texas is still probably couple of decades away from going blue. While the cities like Dallas/Houston/San Antonio, Corpus, El Paso, Austin are now democratic, every other county outside the major urban centers in Texas is strongly republican.

sid waddell

It's not difficult to see why Trump's campaign is not going well when they're mounting "attack" tweets like this.

The "own", presumably, is that Biden's son is wearing a Washington Redskins cap in this photo from the 1970s, which I think is supposed to mean that Biden is a racist and Trump isn't, or something (the Washington Redskins today announced they would be dropping the Redskins name).

Whereas any reasonable person would look at the photo and just see Biden being a doting father bringing his kids to a football match, which sort of makes him look pretty good, which is the opposite of the intended "message".

One hopes the Trump campaign team keeps up this standard of "messaging".

https://twitter.com/SteveGuest/status/1282737152091197441

Carfacemandog

"that tweet is unavailable"

What was tweeted, because it sounds like it may have backfired fast - even by Trump standards.

sid waddell

Carfacemandog wrote: »

"that tweet is unavailable"

What was tweeted, because it sounds like it may have backfired fast - even by Trump standards.

This is it.

Steve Guest's title is "Rapid Response Director - Republican National Committee".

I guess this is what happens when the Lincoln Project steals all your best PR people. You get left with the dregs.

gmisk

sid waddell wrote: »

This is it.

Steve Guest's title is "Rapid Response Director - Republican National Committee".

I guess this is what happens when the Lincoln Project steals all your best PR people. You get left with the dregs.

Wow that is one crappy tweet.
Can't say I'm surprised but still....

Carfacemandog

Cheers, I'll take a wild swing that beyond it being as impactful as bread dipped in 7up, that's possibly Bidens dead son in the photo, hence taking it down. I had looked at his general account from your initial link and yeah... some of the lower level trolls in the current events threads could even do a better job than this.

pixelburp

This is a total sidebar but Joe Biden has been a politician so long I have double takes when I see him a relative young man. A staple of post 2000 American politics where his image as the swaggering "silver fox" type is engrained.

As to the tweet, yeah it's an inane one that probably seemed like a good idea for the 30 seconds prior to posting. I hadn't even realised the Redskins were still named thus, would have sworn this has come up before.

spacecoyote

sid waddell wrote: »

This is it.

Steve Guest's title is "Rapid Response Director - Republican National Committee".

I guess this is what happens when the Lincoln Project steals all your best PR people. You get left with the dregs.

I think there was actually a second tweet alongside that one from him saying something about hunter being a coke fiend and linked to the Chinese government, which he deleted first, before he deleted the main original tweet

Link here

https://twitter.com/TeamMitchMoscow/status/1282789944621228032?s=09

everlast75

What an utterly despicable human being.

Christ... even if DJT wasn't loathsome, pathetic and morally bankrupt, you would say he was by the people he attracts and surrounds himself with

Rjd2

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Word is that McConnell et al are pressuring him hard to pull the trigger now at the end of this session of the Court so that they can ram another judge through before November.

If he stays beyond November and Biden wins , then he'd have to stay for another 4 or maybe 8 years to ensure a Conservative replacement - He's still youngish - 72 but he's there a long time.

Does he really want to serve for almost 40 years?

There's also a suggestion that Alito wants to retire as well
.

Thomas from all accounts still adores the job so not impossible he is content to work until he is dead no matter the political scenario.

Alito supposedly not as much these days.

I think the GOP were hoping RBG would have died by now so they could get Barrett on the court, but looks like somehow Ruth will still be standing strong for another wee while.

Ideally we get some sort of supreme court reform ideas ideally term limits.

Overheal

spacecoyote wrote: »

I think there was actually a second tweet alongside that one from him saying something about hunter being a coke fiend and linked to the Chinese government, which he deleted first, before he deleted the main original tweet

Link here

https://twitter.com/TeamMitchMoscow/status/1282789944621228032?s=09

yup



Turns out it isn't Hunter, it's Beau, who is now dead, and this photo was shortly after his wife and daughter died in a car wreck.

"Backfire" doesn't begin to describe how badly this blew up in his face. Let's see how he directs the RNC through his rapid response to this!

Quin_Dub

Overheal wrote: »

yup



Turns out it isn't Hunter, it's Beau, who is now dead, and this photo was shortly after his wife and daughter died in a car wreck.

"Backfire" doesn't begin to describe how badly this blew up in his face. Let's see how he directs the RNC through his rapid response to this!

Awful , but typical.

I challenge anyone to find a photo of Trump "being a father" anywhere.

Bringing his kid to a game , at the playground , kid sitting on his shoulders etc. etc.

Any of the standard father/child photo's that pretty much every family has.

You won't find them.

Biden had actually tweeted that photo along with a few others on Fathers day a while back talking about the honor of being a parent and so on.

All this tweet does is remind people that Biden seems like a good Dad and that the Trump campaign are utterly amoral.

beggars_bush

They must have a hard drive with photos of every democrat politician

sid waddell

Another beauty of a failed "hit job" tweet from the Trump cult, this one by unhinged fire breathing shock jock Mark Levin.

Levin tweeted a picture of a jar of medicine belonging to Barack Obama from 2008 with the text "Obama's hydroxychloroquine from 2008".

Obama travelled to a malaria-endemic area, Afghanistan, in 2008. Chloroquine has been approved as a treatment against malaria since 1955.

But the picture wasn't even of hydroxychloroquine, it was of Malarone, a different drug used to fight malaria.

Levin's tweet can be summarised as: "I found a picture of a jar of pills of an entirely different drug belonging to Obama in 2008 which were used for the purpose they're meant for - which proves beyond doubt that hydroxychloroquine works in beating Covid in 2020 and that Trump was right! Total OWN!"

These people are insane.

Overheal

sid waddell wrote: »

Another beauty of a failed "hit job" tweet from the Trump cult, this one by unhinged fire breathing shock jock Mark Levin.

Levin tweeted a picture of a jar of medicine belonging to Barack Obama from 2008 with the text "Obama's hydroxychloroquine from 2008".

Obama travelled to a malaria-endemic area, Afghanistan, in 2008. Chloroquine has been approved as a treatment against malaria since 1955.

But the picture wasn't even of hydroxychloroquine, it was of Malarone, a different drug used to fight malaria.

Levin's tweet can be summarised as: "I found a picture of a jar of pills of an entirely different drug belonging to Obama in 2008 which were used for the purpose they're meant for - which proves beyond doubt that hydroxychloroquine works in beating Covid in 2020 and that Trump was right! Total OWN!"

These people are insane.

Meanwhile,

Quin_Dub

Overheal wrote: »

Meanwhile,

Categorised as false by Snopes at least in terms of the suggestion that Trump is/was abusing Sudafed.

However the point absolutely stands - Anyone can take a photo and try it make it tell a story..

serfboard

Overheal wrote: »

Turns out it isn't Hunter, it's Beau, who is now dead, and this photo was shortly after his wife and daughter died in a car wreck.

I never knew that.

Wikipedia wrote:

On December 18, 1972, a few weeks after the election, Biden's wife Neilia and their one-year-old daughter Naomi were killed in an automobile accident while Christmas shopping in Hockessin, Delaware. Neilia Biden's station wagon was hit by a tractor-trailer truck as she pulled out from an intersection.

Biden's sons Beau and Hunter survived the accident and were taken to the hospital in fair condition, Beau with a broken leg and other wounds, and Hunter with a minor skull fracture and other head injuries. Doctors soon said both would make full recoveries.

Biden considered resigning to care for them, but Senate Majority Leader Mike Mansfield persuaded him not to.

Water John

Great to see Biden go much stronger on climate change. He's adopted the recommendations from the unity task force, co-chaired by AOC. Two trillion in four years.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/14/joe-biden-climate-jobs-plan

sid waddell

Water John wrote: »

Great to see Biden go much stronger on climate change. He's adopted the recommendations from the unity task force, co-chaired by AOC. Two trillion in four years.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/14/joe-biden-climate-jobs-plan

I've been very impressed by AOC's pragmatism. She's really genuine about making a positive difference, unlike a lot of the preening dirtbag left media "personalities" who would much prefer to see Trump keep a hold of power rather than exercise influence from within the Democratic party.

AOC and those like her are the future.

pixelburp

sid waddell wrote: »

I've been very impressed by AOC's pragmatism. She's really genuine about making a positive difference, unlike a lot of the preening dirtbag left media "personalities" who would much prefer to see Trump keep a hold of power rather than exercise influence from within the Democratic party.

AOC and those like her are the future.

I think she's earnest to a fault, which may make her fall harder the first time she properly Effs up but little in American politics makes me laugh more than the vitriolic annoyance she brings republicans or generally right leaning folk. She's effectively a reduction of all that annoys conservatives being a young, very attractive latina liberal from New York - and got to where she is from the ground up, paying her way. A presidential campaign between her and Ivanka Trump would be surreal, if fascinating.

serfboard

sid waddell wrote: »

I've been very impressed by AOC's pragmatism.

It's often under-appreciated how much of a pragmatist Bernie Sanders is too, despite the portrayals of him as a socialist ideologue.

sid waddell wrote: »

a lot of the preening dirtbag left media "personalities" who would much prefer to see Trump keep a hold of power rather than exercise influence from within the Democratic party.

Donald Trump is a product of the failure and corruption of both parties. A person who people put their trust in because they were so desperate.

How likely, though, is it that the Democratic party will reform itself in light of a Biden victory?

Overheal

Water John wrote: »

Great to see Biden go much stronger on climate change. He's adopted the recommendations from the unity task force, co-chaired by AOC. Two trillion in four years.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/14/joe-biden-climate-jobs-plan

That's a steep tag but we've spent more on far less, with reason to suggest the alternative of doing nothing will be vastly more expensive. Covid is a great anecdote for that: a couple billion in pandemic preparedness and short term pains would have mitigated trillions now lost.

sid waddell

serfboard wrote: »

It's often under-appreciated how much of a pragmatist Bernie Sanders is too, despite the portrayals of him as a socialist ideologue.

I think Bernie is showing himself to be a pragmatist. It's some of those who claim to support him who are not.

Rjd2

Water John wrote: »

Great to see Biden go much stronger on climate change. He's adopted the recommendations from the unity task force, co-chaired by AOC. Two trillion in four years.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/14/joe-biden-climate-jobs-plan

Lets see how he is on the foreign policy, I know it sadly doesn't matter in America, but he is running to the right on Trump on Venezuela and seems likely to be hiring hawks from the Obama regime.

Igotadose

Rjd2 wrote: »

Lets see how he is on the foreign policy, I know it sadly doesn't matter in America, but he is running to the right on Trump on Venezuela and seems likely to be hiring hawks from the Obama regime.

Foreign policy doesn't matter to Trump. It matters to lots of Americans, always had, always will. As for Venezuela, Trump called Guaido "weak." Is that good foreign policy? Is it immaterial? No. And sanctioning Maduro is a good thing.

I think Biden's first priority after economic restoration (as much as he can get started, anyway) will be to restore relationships with historical allies like the EU and re-invigorate the State Department, which was hollowed out by the likes of Tillerson and Pompeo.

ELM327

sid waddell wrote: »

I've been very impressed by AOC's pragmatism. She's really genuine about making a positive difference, unlike a lot of the preening dirtbag left media "personalities" who would much prefer to see Trump keep a hold of power rather than exercise influence from within the Democratic party.

AOC and those like her are the future.

I hate her with a passion. She's like a born again socialist.
Would prefer Hilary for president to her.