If Germany had of won the war, what would Ireland look like now infrastructure wise?

badabing106

How do you think Ireland would look different infrastructure wise?

That Jackie Healy Rae Lad would have nothing to campaign about, because the roads around Kerry would be top of the range like everywhere in the country


I was reading up about the bertie bowl that was meant to be built in 1999, and was a dream for the next 20 years but was never built. That would have been built in 1949 along with 3 other stadiums in Dublin, and a similar sized stadium for every county in Ireland

They would be a bridge from here to the Uk

Taytoland

Well seeing as you licked the arse of Nazi Germany at the time probably great infrastructure.

amcalester

Taytoland wrote: »

Well seeing as you licked the arse of Nazi Germany at the time probably great infrastructure.

You’re not right.

OldMrBrennan83

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Subcomandante Marcos

Taytoland wrote: »

Well seeing as you licked the arse of Nazi Germany at the time probably great infrastructure.

Yeah, but releasing downed allied servicemen in irish waters and land back to the war while keeping german pilots and airmen in a POW camp, we definitely support the Nazis...

You absolute weapon.

Signore Fancy Pants

We would have better bridges.

Better bridges bring better trolls.

Currently our bridges are shyte.

Taytoland

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Taytoland wrote: »

Well seeing as you licked the arse of Nazi Germany at the time probably great infrastructure.

Yeah, but releasing downed allied servicemen in irish waters and land back to the war while keeping german pilots and airmen in a POW camp, we definitely support the Nazis...

You absolute weapon.

 You are lucky Britain didn't carpet bomb you for that sheer insult to the British Empire. Should have entered the war and fought alongside the Allies.

Etc

Taytoland wrote: »

 You are lucky Britain didn't carpet bomb you for that sheer insult to the British Empire. Should have entered the war and fought alongside the Allies.

Many Irishmen did and died doing it.

OldMrBrennan83

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YFlyer

I'm sure our native language would still be a difficulty.

harry Bailey esq

Donor kebabs for €2 and fkk clubs/high rise 'super' brothels amongst other things.

Duckworth_Luas

Taytoland wrote: »

Well seeing as you licked the arse of Nazi Germany at the time probably great infrastructure.

More men from the twenty-six counties fought against Nazi Germany than those from the "loyal" six.


Something you should be eternally embarrassed about.

Taytoland

Taytoland wrote: »

Well seeing as you licked the arse of Nazi Germany at the time probably great infrastructure.

Impressive speed there, Tayto. Anyway, was that before or after Britain's 6 years of collaboration with Nazi Germany, Lord Londonderry? You know, your support for Adolf and Co during the Nuremberg Laws (1935) and indeed your eagerness to undermine the French and Stresa Front by signing the Anglo-German Naval Agreement in that same year to help Britain's struggling economy?

Ah, you're not taught that in school, are you?

Duckworth_Luas

Chewbacca wrote: »

We would have better bridges.

Better bridges bring better trolls.

Currently our bridges are shyte.

Bring on those better bridges.


maybe then we'd get better trolls than this Taytoland muppet.

iamwhoiam

Our precious water would not be leaking thousands of litres every day
Our bin lorries would convert to snow ploughs and clean or street
The motorways would have proper services all along the trip
Our beaches would be kept clean and with proper car parking and toilets and showers and bins that were emptied

Taytoland

Deleted User wrote: »

Taytoland wrote: »

Well seeing as you licked the arse of Nazi Germany at the time probably great infrastructure.

Impressive speed there, Tayto. Anyway, was that before or after Britain's 6 years of collaboration with Nazi Germany, Lord Londonderry? You know, your support for Adolf and Co during the Nuremberg Laws (1935) and indeed your eagerness to undermine the French and Stresa Front by signing the Anglo-German Naval Agreement in that same year to help Britain's struggling economy?

Ah, you're not taught that in school, are you?

When it came to fighting off Nazi aggression in Europe and fighting for liberty, the Irish state went neutral and didn't join the Allies in the war effort. Thankfully the true Irish patriots had a conscious and joined the war effort. We should be eternally grateful to them for that.

Atoms for Peace

Patww79 wrote: »

For all the infrastructure we'd have had, I'm still glad the Americans saved us.

Did we ever need saving? If yes, than it was the red army who saved us.

Ursus Horribilis

Had of what?

SeaFields

I'd be very impressed if Jackie Healy Rae was
still canvasing under the circumstances.

EdgeCase

This thread doesn’t even make any sense.

Do you seriously link the Nazi regime to modern post war West Germany infrastructure. Also places off the beaten track in Germany that have low density population don’t necessarily have autobahn and ICE trains. Ireland’s 21st century infrastructure compares pretty well to *equivalent* areas in other EU parts of Europe btw. You can’t compare rural Kerry and Hamburg or Paris.

If Germany had won the war, you’d have simply experienced Ireland being destroyed by a brutal foreign dictatorship and then probably bombed to bits by the ultimate removal of that dictatorship power by some combination of an Irish resistance and probably the US and others trying to restore freedom again..

So I guess it would probably look a lot more like parts of Central Europe that lost all of their architecture and would have an awful legacy of genocide to deal with.

Germany’s infrastructure and organizational legacy comes largely from sitting on a huge abundance of coal and iron which meant they had an industrial revolution. The same applies to Britain, Northern France and Belgium etc. our economic and post industrial revolution happened in the late 20th century not the 19th.

Ireland would have been an irrelevance in a military-industrial dictatorship, so not much would have been different except maybe being turned into a handy air base and missile testing facility.

Really a bizarre and utterly ridiculous thread.

Galwayguy35

We probably wouldn't have had to wait until 2009 to have a motorway to get to Dublin!

RhubarbCrumble

We'd never get a sun lounger on a spa weekend.

Etc

Taytoland wrote: »

When it came to fighting off Nazi aggression in Europe and fighting for liberty, the Irish state went neutral and didn't join the Allies in the war effort. Thankfully the true Irish patriots had a conscious and joined the war effort. We should be eternally grateful to them for that.

Britain didn't engage in fighting in Europe after the Dunkirk disaster until 44 as they didn't have strength, they were limited to a bombing campaign. The African campaign and Aisa were the only locations they put soldiers on the ground.

Russia fought the European war until 1944.

bazza1

We would be looking at The Spire on Hitlerstrasse!

Spook_ie

Oh let's not forget about a couple of concentration camps, maybe a bit of slave labour for all the immigrants and maybe for a fair section of the Irish as well. I suppose we might have gotten away with one death camp, after all you can't kill people more than once.

evolving_doors

We would OF been allowed grammar Nazis.

Atoms for Peace

I doubt Ireland would have been brought into the greater Reich proper. We probably would have had a weak ineffectual puppet government of Reich sycophants...So not that much different from today other than the treaty ports under German control.

fleet_admiral

All the shops would still close at nein

Harry Palmr

Ireland was viewed by the whacked out drugged high command as a place of mystical magic and elfins so it's most unlikely they'd have spent any money developing the country as an economy with modern infrastructure rather it would have been turned into a theme park

badabing106

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Ireland was viewed by the whacked out drugged high command as a place of mystical magic and elfins so it's most unlikely they'd have spent any money developing the country as an economy with modern infrastructure rather it would have been turned into a theme park

Do you think they would have implemented high speed trains from Dublin to Belfast and other cities?

Sleeper12

Subcomandante Marcos wrote:

Yeah, but releasing downed allied servicemen in irish waters and land back to the war while keeping german pilots and airmen in a POW camp, we definitely support the Nazis...

Agree.

We've never been a neutral country. Its a something we like to hide behind

Sleeper12

Would all the Irish gingers not be locked up?

Atoms for Peace

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Would all the Irish gingers not be locked up?

I'm sure that due to their more Nordic/Aryan appearance your assumption would be wrong.

badabing106

EdgeCase wrote: »

This thread doesn’t even make any sense.

Ireland would have been an irrelevance in a military-industrial dictatorship, so not much would have been different except maybe being turned into a handy air base and missile testing facility.

I think Ireland is quite a strategic land mass maybe? And quite an important one too!, seeing as it is the gateway to the whole of Europe and beyond !

EdgeCase

badabing106 wrote: »

I think Ireland is quite a strategic land mass maybe? And quite an important one too!, seeing as it is the gateway to the whole of Europe and beyond !

So they put a couple of air bases and missile systems on it?

It’s not the gateway to anywhere, as it’s hundreds of miles from continental Europe and only connected by maritime or air links.

From a military point of view, it might be a bit of a staging post but that’s about it.

If you look at Iceland, Keflavik NATO airbase was there for years and it really didn’t create much economic activity. Everything was flown in/out and the locals had little interaction, other than with drunk and disorderly military personnel causing issues in Reykjavik. The relationship wasn’t great.

If we’d been invaded by Germany, it would have been a few very hostile airbases staffed entirely by Germans. Then we would have been the location for a major conflict as the allies tried to liberate us again.

It really wouldn’t have been a very pleasant existence. Have a look at how Belgium was impacted by being the stage for major conflicts and that was a country with a major industrial base and a minor (and not very pleasant) imperial power in its own right.

shakeitoff

Ireland would have probably been a getaway for Germans to enjoy the simple pleasures of life. Autobahns? They probably would have literally taken in the roads and promoted Ireland as the mythical land where those living in industrial cities and towns could go for a few weeks go back in time.

shakeitoff

badabing106 wrote: »

I think Ireland is quite a strategic land mass maybe? And quite an important one too!, seeing as it is the gateway to the whole of Europe and beyond !

It couldn't be less strategic, well maybe except Iceland

Sal Butamol

Patww79 wrote: »

For all the infrastructure we'd have had, I'm still glad the Americans saved us.

You mean the Russians. The Yanks showed up late to the party. Even the Brits did more.

YFlyer

YFlyer wrote: »

I'm sure our native language would still be a difficulty.

It would probably have been wiped out, along with English,
Von uns allen wird erwartet, dass sie Deutsch sprechen oder sonst

badabing106

EdgeCase wrote: »

So they put a couple of air bases and missile systems on it?

It’s not the gateway to anywhere, as it’s hundreds of miles from continental Europe and only connected by maritime or air links.

From a military point of view, it might be a bit of a staging post but that’s about it.

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Taytoland

Taytoland wrote: »

Well seeing as you licked the arse of Nazi Germany at the time probably great infrastructure.

Surely you would have been happy round the Twelfth every year? Wider straighter roads so even more columns of wide ars*d bowler hat wearing twits could march down. You would have got on well with your Nazi overlords since they shared that same habit of going places where they weren’t wanted either........

Sal Butamol

Sal Butamol wrote: »

You mean the Russians. The Yanks showed up late to the party. Even the Brits did more.

If Hitler didn't invade eastwards, Russia would have settled for the stalemate and Nazi Germany would probably still be in existence.


Britain would still be undefeated but too weak to overthrow Germany, Germany would also concede that Britain could not be invaded, not even via Ireland as one plan stated.
Britain being forced to concede that they couldn't win and come to some arrangement.

EdgeCase

I was in Keflavik bass in Iceland a few years ago at a music festival and it’s a very strange place that would give you an idea of just how disconnected the base was from the country.

If you could imagine a site that’s a bit like Shannon airport but place it on the edge of the Burren. Then scatter bland, 1950s style utility buildings and housing blocks around it all about half a kilometer apart from each other and link it up by wind swept roads. It’s a bit like an old Irish industrial estate that has seen better days way out on the wilds of Donegal.

The buildings were entirely American fit out. Every detail was American right down to the appliances, taps, electrics, windows. All of the street details were American too. It looks like the Burren with NYC style fire hydrants installed along the roads. It was a weird looking juxtaposition. The landscape is remarkably similar to the West of Ireland and, at least in summer, the weather in western Iceland isn’t very different to Ireland.

They’re in the process of converting the disused buildings to Icelandic civilian use but there’s no real purpose they can find for most of them. They’re being used for bits of the equivalent of rural institutes of technology and hosting startup businesses, social housing, budget tourist accommodation (as its near the airport) and so on.

Even reclaiming them involves replacing all the fittings, fixtures, appliances, wiring, plumbing, making sure they’re asbestos free and bringing them up to Icelandic building regulations.

What’s weird it also shows how European Ireland is in some ways as the relics of American stuff seemed very “alien” whereas the refitted units with the Icelandic materials felt very much like what you’d expect in modern buildings here.

Anyway, to cut a long story short, a build up of military bases in Ireland from foreign powers including NATO would really see almost no economic advantages, if the Icelandic experience were anything to go by. Militaries are self sufficient by design and just operate to their own systems and agendas. If we had had NATO bases, I’m sure it would have been very similar.

An invasion by a hostile and oppressive power like 1930s Germany would have been a complete disaster.

archer22

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

Did we ever need saving? If yes, than it was the red army who saved us.

We were damn lucky and so were the Brits that the Red Army didn't 'save us'.
Every female in the British isles between 8 and 80 would have been raped and everything that could be moved would have been stolen...and millions sent to slavery in the Gulags
Fats Churchill nearly brought hell on earth to those islands with his homo like love for Stalin...while Stalin conned him up to the eyeballs.
We should be thankful for the nuclear bomb..that was the reason the Soviets did not continue their march across Europe..without that its almost certain their steamroller would have continued steaming westwards.

Nearly all the older east Europeans I ever spoke to said they had only one wish in 1945....that was that the Germans would come back!.

Similar to US bases in Germany & the UK, I have family who live neat Mildenhall, an RAF airfield that is leased to the USAF, the base is almost entirely self contained, they even bring in food from the US.

Pkiernan

There'd be no sulky carts on our roads if Germany had won.

archer22

archer22 wrote: »

We were damn lucky and so were the Brits that the Red Army didn't 'save us'.
Every female in the British isles between 8 and 80 would have been raped and everything that could be moved would have been stolen...and millions sent to slavery in the Gulags
Fats Churchill nearly brought hell on earth to those islands with his homo like love for Stalin...while Stalin conned him up to the eyeballs.
We should be thankful for the nuclear bomb..that was the reason the Soviets did not continue their march across Europe..without that its almost certain their steamroller would have continued steaming westwards.

Nearly all the older east Europeans I ever spoke to said they had only one wish in 1945....that was that the Germans would come back!.

Churchill actually wanted to invade north of Poland, to cut off the Russian advance into Europe but that plan was dropped as the US were against it as well as being very difficult to achieve. He was no fan of Stalin either, but had no other options at the time.

shakeitoff

I don't think we would all be speaking German either btw, don't think they had any short term plans for that anyway. Maybe over the course of the 1,000 years Reich they may have got around to it.

sabat

shakeitoff wrote: »

It couldn't be less strategic, well maybe except Iceland

Transatlantic flights on one day in January this year-that's pretty strategic looking to me.

Pkiernan

Pkiernan wrote: »

There'd be no sulky carts on our roads if Germany had won.

There would be no one to drive then either, they would have been given one way tickets to the Irish equivalent of Belson.

Danny Donut

Etc wrote: »

Britain didn't engage in fighting in Europe after the Dunkirk disaster until 44 as they didn't have strength, they were limited to a bombing campaign. The African campaign was the only location they put soldiers on the ground.

Russia fought the European war until 1944.

Was Italy in Europe at that time?