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Should teachers in the 5 carillion schools pass pickets put there by unpaid sub contr

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  • #62
    AndrewJRenko
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    evolving_doors wrote: »
    How does it work then?

    The Dept issues a contract based on the amount of work outstanding, not based on the 'full whack'.


  • #63
    Pkiernan
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    Teachers have to work too many days as it is. They shouldn't pass the pickets.


  • #64
    evolving_doors
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    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    The Dept issues a contract based on the amount of work outstanding, not based on the 'full whack'.

    From my understanding from what Bruton says(or let's just say hypothetically) the govt hasen't been handed over anything yet and haven't paid anything yet either.
    There's a building practically finished. Let's say 100k worth left to do.
    A new company comes in and does the work for the 100k (factoring in their profit).
    So the govt. only pays 100k (I.e. the amount outstanding). For a building worth about 2 million!
    Is that right?
    Sweet deal if so.


  • #65
    TheDriver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,826 ✭✭✭✭TheDriver


    evolving_doors wrote: »
    From my understanding from what Bruton says(or let's just say hypothetically) the govt hasen't been handed over anything yet and haven't paid anything yet either.
    There's a building practically finished. Let's say 100k worth left to do.
    A new company comes in and does the work for the 100k (factoring in their profit).
    So the govt. only pays 100k (I.e. the amount outstanding). For a building worth about 2 million!
    Is that right?
    Sweet deal if so.

    I'd assume the receivers will be looking for payment for work done so far?


  • #66
    evolving_doors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,810 ✭✭✭✭evolving_doors


    TheDriver wrote: »
    I'd assume the receivers will be looking for payment for work done so far?

    But all of the cost of that work was born by the contractor! And they're gone.


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  • #67
    ismat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭ismat


    These schools are all being leased from the development company , inspired spaces i think is its name, for a period of 20 years under A PPP deal. The government is not the builder of the schools so why would it pay any subbies directly ? The only one with responsibilities to pay sub contractors is the main contractor.


  • #68
    GarIT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,641 ✭✭✭GarIT


    evolving_doors wrote: »
    But all of the cost of that work was born by the contractor! And they're gone.

    They are not completely gone. There will be someone appointed by the courts to collect any money owed to them, sell any assets they have and the pay off as much of their debts as possible. It it during this process that they would be paid if they haven't been already.


  • #69
    FishOnABike
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    GarIT wrote: »
    They are not completely gone. There will be someone appointed by the courts to collect any money owed to them, sell any assets they have and the pay off as much of their debts as possible. It it during this process that they would be paid if they haven't been already.
    And the work done to date on the buildings would be the largest asset. It may sell at a knock down price (a did many boom time built hotels) and earn a tidy profit for whatever company buys the buildings. Is there potential role for a NAMA type acquisition here?


  • #70
    Sleeper12
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    SligoBrewer wrote:
    Union members of whatever union should never pass a picket tbf.

    If you paid for a family holiday in Disney land but there were pickets at the Dublin Airport I think you would have a different opinion. My money is union member or not you & your kids will be in Disneyland.


  • #71
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,260 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    evolving_doors wrote:
    From my understanding from what Bruton says(or let's just say hypothetically) the govt hasen't been handed over anything yet and haven't paid anything yet either. There's a building practically finished. Let's say 100k worth left to do. A new company comes in and does the work for the 100k (factoring in their profit). So the govt. only pays 100k (I.e. the amount outstanding). For a building worth about 2 million! Is that right? Sweet deal if so.


    It would be very unusual that the government hasn't paid any money over. Usually builder meets certain targets each month and gets paid a percentage.


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  • #72
    evolving_doors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,810 ✭✭✭✭evolving_doors


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    It would be very unusual that the government hasn't paid any money over. Usually builder meets certain targets each month and gets paid a percentage.

    I thought that under ppp private stumps up initially and then govt pays back over a number of years after. Like with the m50 / toll road with NTR


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