How would an attack on Dublin from Islamists change us?

lukasgrenwald

Legally and socially?

Legally -guards would carry handguns like the Americans. More surveillance in real life with CCTV's at every corner and spying on natioanl sites


Socially - paranoia would run rampant and we'd for the first time ban immigrants like Trump (or at the least stop them if they're not white and from the West). Definitely become more nanny-statish to levels never seen before.

What else would change?

jcorr

Yawn

Frank Bullitt

Why would Islamists attack us in the first place?

granturismo

lukasgrenwald wrote: »

.. paranoia would run rampant and we'd for the first time ban immigrants like Trump (or at the least stop them if they're not white and from the West). Definitely become more nanny-statish to levels never seen before.
...

I think banning Trump would be very popular but I'm not sure how he would qualify as an immigrant.

Mutant z

That the left are totally deluded about Ireland not being a target for islamic terrorism.

Richard Hillman

Essentially nothing. Lots of candles, lots of hashtags, lots of news pieces on "Diversity". Concerts and Sports organizers will use it as a dream ticket for OTT security to prevent people bringing their own drink to events.

nthclare

jcorr wrote: »

Yawn

Long weekend Jim, but tired are we

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

lukasgrenwald wrote: »

Legally and socially?

Legally -guards would carry handguns like the Americans. More surveillance in real life with CCTV's at every corner and spying on natioanl sites


Socially - paranoia would run rampant and we'd for the first time ban immigrants like Trump (or at the least stop them if they're not white and from the West). Definitely become more nanny-statish to levels never seen before.

What else would change?

Legally? Doubt any change world fine about.

Socially? Well Ireland already is like that anyway.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Mutant z wrote: »

That the left are totally deluded about Ireland not being a target for islamic terrorism.

That's not just the left.

But if the goal of terrorism is to get attention, surely hitting a bigger more important city would be optimal? What do they gain from hitting Ireland? Unless it was something specific like the Pope's visit.

Mutant z

Gintonious wrote: »

Why would Islamists attack us in the first place?

The same reason why they have attacked elsewhere they hate our guts dont for a moment think that they view Ireland any different because they dont.

granturismo

lukasgrenwald wrote: »

Legally and socially?

Legally -guards would carry handguns like the Americans. More surveillance in real life with CCTV's at every corner and spying on natioanl sites


Socially - paranoia would run rampant and we'd for the first time ban immigrants like Trump (or at the least stop them if they're not white and from the West). Definitely become more nanny-statish to levels never seen before.

What else would change?

You do remember those minor incidents that resulted in a few thousand deaths on this Island carried out by terrorists/freedom fighters/community defenders/forces of law & order?

artanevilla

People forget we invented modern terrorism.

Pat Mustard

Mutant z wrote: »

That the left are totally deluded about Ireland not being a target for islamic terrorism.

The right don't think that it's much of a risk either.

lukasgrenwald

granturismo wrote: »

You do remember those minor incidents that resulted in a few thousand deaths on this Island carried out by terrorists/freedom fighters/community defenders/forces of law & order?

I think you have to admit that terrorism from nationals is different than terrorism from foreigners. Look at America and 9/11. They got OKC, the Unibomber by white guys but no one paid attention until 19 Arabs hijacked and crashed 4 planes across the US.

Cabaal

lukasgrenwald wrote: »

Legally and socially?

Legally -guards would carry handguns like the Americans. More surveillance in real life with CCTV's at every corner and spying on natioanl sites

Funny,
Bombings didn't cause this over the decades they occurred, neither did the gun running or training sites.

Socially - paranoia would run rampant and we'd for the first time ban immigrants like Trump (or at the least stop them if they're not white and from the West). Definitely become more nanny-statish to levels never seen before.

What else would change?

This would really happen!..........in your wet dream
Though, I am all for banning trump

Hector Bellend

sure it'll be grand

shakeitoff

Seems to have died down over the last white. 2016 was particularly bad in Europe.

The Crowman

I'd say they'd avoid Dublin and attack somewhere popular with American tourists like Killarney or Blarney Castle.

Phoebas

OP, can you define what you mean by an attack by Islamists?

If it was some disgruntled immigrant attempting to run pedestrians down in a car and claiming inspiration from ISIS then that wouldn't have much effect at all.

If it was something centrally planned and organised a la 9/11 then that would be a different kettle of fish - but I doubt that's a realistic prospect.

The Crowman

The Crowman wrote: »

I'd say they'd avoid Dublin and attack somewhere popular with American tourists like Killarney or Blarney Castle.

If anything, I'd say they would go for a high profile target, like Facebook, Google or Apple.

low risk I would say, as they would probably want to bring a major European capital to a standstill, but there are targets all the same.

corks finest

Wake us up,be more selective who we let in,be more pro active in dealing with bogus asylum seekers

corks finest

shakeitoff wrote: »

Seems to have died down over the last white. 2016 was particularly bad in Europe.

Never gone away

The Crowman

Aegir wrote: »

If anything, I'd say they would go for a high profile target, like Facebook, Google or Apple.

low risk I would say, as they would probably want to bring a major European capital to a standstill, but there are targets all the same.

FB and Google have provided a huge propaganda and recruiting platform for extremists of all sorts, including Islamic extremists. they wouldn't bite the hand that feeds them.

Shenshen

It wouldn't.

weisses

Home of some fine white terrorists ..But worry about a few Muslims .... mind boggles

Cabaal

weisses wrote: »

Home of some fine white terrorists ..But worry about a few Muslims .... mind boggles

Its all because it doesn't suit the agenda of hating "those foreigners"

The Crowman

weisses wrote: »

Home of some fine white terrorists ..But worry about a few Muslims .... mind boggles

You know muslims can be white too?

duckofdeath

Imagine if the US had banned immigrants like Trump at the start of the last century. Then this "discussion" probably never would have been started.

nthclare

The Crowman wrote: »

You know muslims can be white too?

So can storm troopers lol lead by an emperor who's the leader of an ancient religion....

I sith you not

The Crowman

The Crowman wrote: »

FB and Google have provided a huge propaganda and recruiting platform for extremists of all sorts, including Islamic extremists. they wouldn't bite the hand that feeds them.

True, i just grabbed a few names out of thin air there, but hopefully you get my point.

Somewhere like Grand Canal or the IFSC would have enough international companies to make it high profile, as opposed to an attack on a tourist destination.

weldoninhio

Aegir wrote: »

True, i just grabbed a few names out of thin air there, but hopefully you get my point.

Somewhere like Grand Canal or the IFSC would have enough international companies to make it high profile, as opposed to an attack on a tourist destination.

When have companies etc been targets?? Their main aim is to kill as many people as possible and show that they can hit anywhere. Thats why you have trucks in Xmas markets, londin bus bombings, etc. They think all of Europe are infidels.

Irish Guitarist

It would have to be a massive attack for anything to change. Just look at that thread from a couple of months ago about the illegal Indian immigrant who trained to be a guard. Most of the people responding couldn't wait to prove how liberal and tolerant they are by saying things likes "ah sure at least he wanted to contribute to society".

I thought myself it was highly suspicious. He must have had some motivation for joining the guards that he considered worth risking being deported for.

Around the same time some maniac drove up on a footpath in Dublin. There was a thread about it and peoples main gripe was that the article mentioned his parents were from the Middle East and that this was terrible racism.

Something along the lines of the attack in Manchester would have to happen for the general public to start worrying.

There are already terrorists here by the way. The guards have foiled a couple of terrorist groups. Their main aim though is usually to get to into Ireland then travel to somewhere else in Europe. I'm sure they will eventually turn their sights to an attack in Ireland. I wouldn't think it would be their top priority but it would be foolish to think it's never going to happen.

archer22

lukasgrenwald wrote: »

Legally and socially?

Legally -guards would carry handguns like the Americans. More surveillance in real life with CCTV's at every corner and spying on natioanl sites


Socially - paranoia would run rampant and we'd for the first time ban immigrants like Trump (or at the least stop them if they're not white and from the West). Definitely become more nanny-statish to levels never seen before.

What else would change?

Seems with all those treads on the subject that many people here are feeling slighted by them.

What..what!..are we not good enough to be murdered by you or something..don''t you know how important we are

wakka12

Probably nothing would change as its unlikely to occur and if it did occur is most likely a once off lone wolf attack that no amount preparation can help stop
I think some poeple want it to occur for some drama and to hate on muslims with more justification

granturismo

lukasgrenwald wrote: »

I think you have to admit that terrorism from nationals is different than terrorism from foreigners. Look at America and 9/11. They got OKC, the Unibomber by white guys but no one paid attention until 19 Arabs hijacked and crashed 4 planes across the US.

No, I admit that my life would be equally ruined if my loved ones were killed by a homegrown terrorist, a middle eastern or European muslim, a Myanmar buddhist, or any other f##kwit thats prepared to kill.

schizo1014

Some elements within the Irish Government might try cover up an attack like they did the last time religious extremists attacked Dublin.

ohnonotgmail

schizo1014 wrote: »

Some elements within the Irish Government might try cover up an attack like they did the last time religious extremists attacked Dublin.

what attack would that be?

schizo1014

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

what attack would that be?

The Dublin/Monaghan Bombings
The cover up discussion may be better for another thread

ohnonotgmail

schizo1014 wrote: »

The Dublin/Monaghan Bombings
The cover up discussion may be better for another thread

that was sectarian not religious.

Captain Obvious

lukasgrenwald wrote: »

I think you have to admit that terrorism from nationals is different than terrorism from foreigners.

Not to the victims.

Cabaal

schizo1014 wrote: »

Some elements within the Irish Government might try cover up an attack like they did the last time religious extremists attacked Dublin.

Was that when they build and ran the Magdalene laundry's and the state tried to cover up the abuses, deaths and everything else?

schizo1014

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

that was sectarian not religious.

Or it's religious sectarianism :rolleyes:

Hector Savage

Phoebas wrote: »

OP, can you define what you mean by an attack by Islamists?

If it was some disgruntled immigrant attempting to run pedestrians down in a car and claiming inspiration from ISIS then that wouldn't have much effect at all.

If it was something centrally planned and organised a la 9/11 then that would be a different kettle of fish - but I doubt that's a realistic prospect.

So this wouldn't worry you ???

Jessuusss...

yourdeadwright

I think the people who think American have something to gain from the constant talk of Terrorists are correct,
i read an article where 2 weekend's ago, 28 people where shot in the city of Chicago, that made it 1400 shooting in Chicago this year and its only July,
So in 7 months in one city 1400 American's have been shot ( that is injured by shootings not killed)
Just to put that into perspective, 1500 USA troop have been shot and killed since 2011.
Trump has done nothing, as he really has nothing to gain from these poor black folk in his own land,

corner of hells

The price of bacon would plummet , as no one would want to seen eating a rasher sandwich.

Phoebas

Hector Savage wrote: »

So this wouldn't worry you ???

Jessuusss...

The question wasn't if it would 'worry' us - it was would it 'change' us.

lawred2

lukasgrenwald wrote: »

Legally and socially?

Legally -guards would carry handguns like the Americans. More surveillance in real life with CCTV's at every corner and spying on natioanl sites


Socially - paranoia would run rampant and we'd for the first time ban immigrants like Trump (or at the least stop them if they're not white and from the West). Definitely become more nanny-statish to levels never seen before.

What else would change?

seems like you're already there chief

statesaver

duckofdeath wrote: »

Imagine if the US had banned immigrants like Trump at the start of the last century. Then this "discussion" probably never would have been started.

Of course it would. Was not Trump who invaded the Middle East.

gw80

Mutant z wrote: »

The same reason why they have attacked elsewhere they hate our guts dont for a moment think that they view Ireland any different because they dont.

This is true, if there are people in England and America who think we are part of the UK. Then you can be sure jonny ackbar from the arsehole of the middle east will not know the difference.

Herb Powell

Well, as someone from Cork, I'd have to say I'd applaud the Islamists in their efforts to take Dublin down a peg.

wakka12

The Crowman wrote: »

I'd say they'd avoid Dublin and attack somewhere popular with American tourists like Killarney or Blarney Castle.

Dublin is one of the most visited cities in Europe