4 way junction - right of way

Peatys

Black_Knight wrote: »

Nope, no flashing amber. Just a green light. There's only 1 stop line at the top of the pic (the other lines are pedestrian crossing lines).



Again, I dont see them as coming from my right, they're in front of me. The junction doesn't have a yield/stop/filter. Remove the traffic light island thing and now what? Do you say I still yield to traffic coming towards me/crossing over to my side of the road?

If this junction had a yield sign there'd be no question about it, but it doesn't.

That's the idea of the triangle. You've to stop at that and look to your right and see if any traffic is coming. Doesn't matter if they're going straight East West or turning North to East, they're coming from your right.

TheChizler

Peatys wrote: »

That's the idea of the triangle. You've to stop at that and look to your right and see if any traffic is coming. Doesn't matter if they're going straight East West or turning North to East, they're coming from your right.

And in this case they should only be turning from North to East (or rotate depending on where you're coming from) as they'd be breaking the lights otherwise.

Most people manage to treat this junction the same way (the correct way in my view). Your visibility is generally excellent, and if you're turning left you know someone turning right will be blocked if the person behind you is going straight on, otherwise wait for them.

CrankyHaus

OP what is the location of the junction? I wouldn't mind checking it out on streetview.

TheChizler

Junction of Vicars Road and Togher Road in Cork.

Under His Eye

That is a signal controlled junction.

Black_Knight

Under His Eye wrote: »

That is a signal controlled junction.

Yes it is. Doesn't help though. At best the lights for those traveling from the south road will stay green when the lights for those travelling from the north road go red.

Black_Knight

CrankyHaus wrote: »

OP what is the location of the junction? I wouldn't mind checking it out on streetview.

TheChizler wrote: »

Junction of Vicars Road and Togher Road in Cork.

https://goo.gl/maps/57MgAcibt3H2

markpb

Black_Knight wrote: »

https://goo.gl/maps/57MgAcibt3H2

That is a woefully designed junction! There are stop lines associated with the traffic lights but no stop/yield lines or signs once you go past that (i.e. on the left-turning lane). The traffic light to the right of the left-turning lane. Both of these would give me the impression that left-turning traffic keeps it's priority and the islands are just there to slow you down. Initially I thought they were refuge for pedestrians but the pedestrian lights/crossing doesn't go near them.

Some clown had a great day dreaming this stuff up!

TheChizler

It's really not that complicated and the junction works really well once you get past the initial confusion.

markpb

TheChizler wrote: »

It's really not that complicated and the junction works really well once you get past the initial confusion.

Junctions shouldn't cause confusion. We have road standards for a reason.

TheChizler

markpb wrote: »

Junctions shouldn't cause confusion. We have road standards for a reason.

It does follow a standard, the confusion is caused by people not paying attention to the layout. Same as any new junction type that people don't come across regularly.

markpb

TheChizler wrote: »

It does follow a standard, the confusion is caused by people not paying attention to the layout. Same as any new junction type that people don't come across regularly.

Haven't you just contradicted yourself there? It's either a standard or something people don't don't come across regularly, it can't truly be both.

TheChizler

I mean a standard set out by law. If you break it down into its individual components the ROTR/Act tells you what you should do.