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IAAF World Under 20 Championships Tampere 2018

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    #32
    RayCun
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    For the u20 European championships last year, the selection policy said
    "To achieve our High Performance vision of “more athletes wining on the world stage” Athletics Ireland has set the selection criteria and philosophy for the 2017 European Athletics U20 Championships, where an relay team/Individual(s) selected to compete, will be capable of obtaining a podium, top 8 (track events), top 12 (field events) finish. "

    I haven't seen a similar policy for these championships


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    #33
    Testosterscone
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    RayCun wrote: »
    Are there athletes that met the qualifying standards and were eligible but not selected?
    Elizabeth Morland is too old afaik

    Kate O'Connor had the qualifying mark but has already had Commonwealths and College Championships this year so imagine didn't register expression of interest for this.


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    #34
    YFlyer
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    RayCun wrote: »
    Are there athletes that met the qualifying standards and were eligible but not selected?
    Elizabeth Morland is too old afaik

    Sarah Healy must had qualifying times.


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    #35
    RayCun
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    YFlyer wrote: »
    Sarah Healy must had qualifying times.

    You'd hardly send her to two championships a week apart


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    Chivito550
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    Testosterscone wrote: »
    Kate O'Connor had the qualifying mark but has already had Commonwealths and College Championships this year so imagine didn't register expression of interest for this.

    Have to say I’m surprised she didn’t target either this or Gyor last week, but she’s a junior for another 2 years so much more to come.


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    #37
    Pherekydes
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    Chivito550 wrote: »
    Have to say I’m surprised she didn’t target either this or Gyor last week, but she’s a junior for another 2 years so much more to come.

    Too old for Györ by 20 days.


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    #38
    Testosterscone
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    Chivito550 wrote: »
    Have to say I’m surprised she didn’t target either this or Gyor last week, but she’s a junior for another 2 years so much more to come.

    US collegiate commitments in May after Commonwealths in April. Would imagine it was that or Commonwealths to be honest.


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    #39
    YFlyer
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    RayCun wrote: »
    You'd hardly send her to two championships a week apart

    Yet Rhasidat Adeleke did.


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    Oiriallach
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    Testosterscone wrote: »
    US collegiate commitments in May after Commonwealths in April. Would imagine it was that or Commonwealths to be honest.


    Kate O'Connor is not at college in the US. She's just finished 5th year in secondary school in Dundalk. She's been injured since the Commonwealths.


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    RayCun
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    YFlyer wrote: »
    Yet Rhasidat Adeleke did.

    and got injured

    (and she didn't compete in the individual events, just the relay)


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    #42
    Chivito550
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    YFlyer wrote: »
    Yet Rhasidat Adeleke did.

    Bit of a difference in sprinting, and only being part of the relay the second week. Also, she injured herself so one could argue it was not the right decision (not saying that is my opinion, just that it could be argued).

    Sarah Healy running multiple middle distance races the week after running 3 races in Gyor would have been a poor call. She’ll be a junior in 2 years time.


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    #43
    YFlyer
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    RayCun wrote: »
    and got injured

    (and she didn't compete in the individual events, just the relay)

    Mistake by Athletics Ireland then.


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    #44
    RayCun
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    YFlyer wrote: »
    Mistake by Athletics Ireland then.

    Why must it be described as a mistake?

    There is a certain risk involved every time someone steps on to a track. And it's not possible to be at competition peak for a long period.

    With Healy, people (AAI? her? her coach? her parents?) obviously decided that two championships a week apart would be pushing it, given the distances she was running. They might have been wrong, maybe she could have run well at both.

    With Adeleke, people (AAI? her? her coach? her parents? her relay teammates?) decided that she could do both. And maybe 9 times out of 10 she could have, but this time was the unlucky one. Or maybe something could have been changed in the preparation, or her recovery last week? Or maybe a long season eventually took its toll.


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    #45
    Testosterscone
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    Oiriallach wrote: »
    Testosterscone wrote: »
    US collegiate commitments in May after Commonwealths in April. Would imagine it was that or Commonwealths to be honest.


    Kate O'Connor is not at college in the US. She's just finished 5th year in secondary school in Dundalk. She's been injured since the Commonwealths.

    Sorry thought i saw her results in the ECAC championship results from May??


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    #46
    YFlyer
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    RayCun wrote: »
    Why must it be described as a mistake?

    There is a certain risk involved every time someone steps on to a track. And it's not possible to be at competition peak for a long period.

    With Healy, people (AAI? her? her coach? her parents?) obviously decided that two championships a week apart would be pushing it, given the distances she was running. They might have been wrong, maybe she could have run well at both.

    With Adeleke, people (AAI? her? her coach? her parents? her relay teammates?) decided that she could do both. And maybe 9 times out of 10 she could have, but this time was the unlucky one. Or maybe something could have been changed in the preparation, or her recovery last week? Or maybe a long season eventually took its toll.

    Well because they sent her to two championships a week apart.


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    #47
    RayCun
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    YFlyer wrote: »
    Well because they sent her to two championships a week apart.

    Ok, suppose they (which is everyone involved) estimate that there is a 60% chance that she will pick up an injury if she runs. But there's a 40% chance that the team will win a medal if she runs, and only a 20% chance if she doesn't. Should they send her?

    If they send her and she gets injured, it's a mistake?

    What if they don't send her and they don't medal, is that a mistake? (Remember, both the US and Jamaican teams were DQed)

    Sometimes it isn't about getting it right or making a mistake. There are just decisions that work out well and decisions that work out badly.


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    #48
    YFlyer
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    RayCun wrote: »
    Ok, suppose they (which is everyone involved) estimate that there is a 60% chance that she will pick up an injury if she runs. But there's a 40% chance that the team will win a medal if she runs, and only a 20% chance if she doesn't. Should they send her?

    If they send her and she gets injured, it's a mistake?

    What if they don't send her and they don't medal, is that a mistake? (Remember, both the US and Jamaican teams were DQed)

    Sometimes it isn't about getting it right or making a mistake. There are just decisions that work out well and decisions that work out badly.

    You did ask was there athletes that made the qualifying standard. I gave you the name of one athlete. Never said she should have competed at the under 20s World Championships.


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    #49
    horsebox1977
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    RayCun wrote: »
    Are there athletes that met the qualifying standards and were eligible but not selected?
    Elizabeth Morland is too old afaik

    Yes Moreland was born in 1998 and is too old.

    I was thinking of Kate O'C and Niamh Fogarty who threw 49.31 and the qualifying standard is 48m

    Sexton qualified for the 100m, and I'm sure there are others too.

    Did O'Connor make the right decision in choosing the Commonwealths over these games, she may with a little bit of luck have got a medal in Finland.

    https://media.aws.iaaf.org/competitioninfo/ba04a22c-6499-4af3-b6b6-a7705ca08739.pdf


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