IAAF World Under 20 Championships Tampere 2018

nevan

You can watch a live stream of the IAAF World U20 Championships in Tampere, Finland on the IIAF YouTube channel, along with archives of the previous days. Irish hurdler Derval O'Rourke is co-commentator.

Here are some races with Ireland:

Men's 4x100m 16:30
Women's 200m Heat 18:08

14th July
Men's 5000m 13:20
Women's 100m Hurdles Heat 12:03

Ireland are also in the Women's 4x100m Final

nevan

If someone could post a link to that please?

nevan

Ireland also through to the final in Men’s 4x100m after mayhem at the last handover.

chasingpaper

https://www.iaaf.org/competitions/iaaf-world-u20-championships/iaaf-world-u20-championships-tampere-2018-6082/live

nevan

4x100m finals are tomorrow afternoon
Women 14:04
Men 14:40

Faugheen

Phenomenal stuff from both teams. The men's side obviously very lucky but you need it in the relay.

That women's team is something else though. Was looking at their SBs and there's only .3s between Gina Akpe-Moses and Molly Scott (a hurdler!). Amazing consistency.

nevan

nevan wrote: »

Ireland also through to the final in Men’s 4x100m after mayhem at the last handover.

My mistake. Irish men came in third and didn’t qualify for the final.

Faugheen

Ah I forgot it was three semis, unlike the women's.

Also to add to the OP, Sommer Lecky is in the High Jump final on Sunday

Faugheen

Just watching it back. Adeleke pulled up after giving the baton away. Would be an awful shame for her if she missed the final because of it.

jamule

Faugheen wrote: »

Just watching it back. Adeleke pulled up after giving the baton away. Would be an awful shame for her if she missed the final because of it.

Jamaica and the us are out. 2nd fastest this yr. Did Neville run in the semis?

Faugheen

jamule wrote: »

Jamaica and the us are out. 2nd fastest this yr. Did Neville run in the semis?

No, it was Molly Scott, Gina Akpe-Moses, Rhasidat Adeleke and Patience Jumbo-Gula. Neville was running in the 200m this evening.

nevan

jamule wrote: »

Jamaica and the us are out. 2nd fastest this yr. Did Neville run in the semis?

She ran the 200m semi but didn’t qualify for the final

nevan

Faugheen wrote: »

Just watching it back. Adeleke pulled up after giving the baton away. Would be an awful shame for her if she missed the final because of it.

Looked like she hurt her hamstring. Was limping after the handoff.

Chivito550

Hope she’s ok for today, but we have a very strong sub in Ciara Neville to step in if not.

Fingers crossed they can medal today. What an opportunity.

Faugheen

Just watching Molly Scott in the hurdles there.

You can absolutely see why she's on the first leg of the relay. She's lightning quick off the start.

She came last in her semi, btw.

Chivito550

Faugheen wrote: »

Just watching Molly Scott in the hurdles there.

You can absolutely see why she's on the first leg of the relay. She's lightning quick off the start.

She came last in her semi, btw.

Seemed to lose her way on the 4th or 5th hurdle, but she’s an absolute powerhouse out of the blocks.

nevan

Chivito550 wrote: »

Hope she’s ok for today, but we have a very strong sub in Ciara Neville to step in if not.

Looks like Ciara Neville is running in the 4x100m instead of Adeleke ok. Starting now.

Faugheen

A sloppy last change I think cost us but silver is a phenomenal achievement, make no mistake.

Great job by Patience Jumbo-Gula to bring it back in as well.

nevan

Faugheen wrote: »

A sloppy last change I think cost us but silver is a phenomenal achievement, make no mistake.

Great job by Patience Jumbo-Gula to bring it back in as well.

Great race! Really good runs and smooth handoffs. Last handoff was a bit of a mess but Patience Jumbo Gula powered from fourth to second making up about 5 metres on the leader.

nevan

First under 20 relay medal ever for Ireland and an Irish record at 43.90, as well as a team PB.

jamule

nevan wrote: »

First under 20 relay medal ever for Ireland and an Irish record at 43.90, as well as a team PB.

.06 outside the senior record, you would imagine that will go this summer. Add in the 2 healys and foster , I wouldnt like to pick that team.

Faugheen

jamule wrote: »

nevan wrote: »

First under 20 relay medal ever for Ireland and an Irish record at 43.90, as well as a team PB.

.06 outside the senior record, you would imagine that will go this summer. Add in the 2 healys and foster , I wouldnt like to pick that team.

Amazing conversation to have though.

Who does everyone pick? Gina is a shoe-in I think. I think you have to bring Patience despite her age because she's the third fastest Irish woman this year. Those 5 and Neville and it's the makings of a very strong team which hopefully can only get faster in the future.

What does everyone think of Molly Scott? I know she's hurdled all her life but her PB on the flat is not far off the rest of them and she's in the top 10 fastest in Ireland this year, which I think is very good considering the flat isn't her discipline.

Would a flat 100 or maybe even expanding to the 400 hurdles be a better suit for her long term?

Testosterscone

Faugheen wrote: »

Would a flat 100 or maybe even expanding to the 400 hurdles be a better suit for her long term?

Would think moving up is the last thing she should be doing.

Her strongest characteristics are her explosive power out of the blocks and her technical ability over the hurdles.

400mh for women is a less technical event (due to the height) and the longer distance would nullify that start.

As it stands her hurdle time is superior to her flat.

Chivito550

Faugheen wrote: »

Amazing conversation to have though.

Who does everyone pick? Gina is a shoe-in I think. I think you have to bring Patience despite her age because she's the third fastest Irish woman this year. Those 5 and Neville and it's the makings of a very strong team which hopefully can only get faster in the future.

What does everyone think of Molly Scott? I know she's hurdled all her life but her PB on the flat is not far off the rest of them and she's in the top 10 fastest in Ireland this year, which I think is very good considering the flat isn't her discipline.

Would a flat 100 or maybe even expanding to the 400 hurdles be a better suit for her long term?

Some of the juniors might need a rest to be honest. Certainly the younger ones who ran Euro U18s.

Pherekydes

Sommer Lecky has cleared 1.90m to lead the High Jump. Another junior record!

G'wan the women! :eek:

Testosterscone

Pherekydes wrote: »

Sommer Lecky has cleared 1.90m to lead the High Jump. Another junior record!

G'wan the women! :eek:

A very solid clearance as well. Murillo just over there to but Lecky better on countback

Pherekydes

Guaranteed a medal now.

What colour?

Testosterscone

Pherekydes wrote: »

Guaranteed a medal now.

What colour?

This medal means that Tampere has officially doubled the medal tally in this event in our history.

Pherekydes

Silver it is.

It's been a great few weeks.

Roll on Berlin. Buckets of medals await...

horsebox1977

Question: What was the selection criteria for these championships?

Looking at the results in some events and Ireland could have done well - Heptathlon and discus - any reason why these athletes were not selected?

RayCun

horsebox1977 wrote: »

Question: What was the selection criteria for these championships?

Looking at the results in some events and Ireland could have done well - Heptathlon and discus - any reason why these athletes were not selected?

Are there athletes that met the qualifying standards and were eligible but not selected?
Elizabeth Morland is too old afaik

RayCun

For the u20 European championships last year, the selection policy said
"To achieve our High Performance vision of “more athletes wining on the world stage” Athletics Ireland has set the selection criteria and philosophy for the 2017 European Athletics U20 Championships, where an relay team/Individual(s) selected to compete, will be capable of obtaining a podium, top 8 (track events), top 12 (field events) finish. "

I haven't seen a similar policy for these championships

Testosterscone

RayCun wrote: »

Are there athletes that met the qualifying standards and were eligible but not selected?
Elizabeth Morland is too old afaik

Kate O'Connor had the qualifying mark but has already had Commonwealths and College Championships this year so imagine didn't register expression of interest for this.

YFlyer

RayCun wrote: »

Are there athletes that met the qualifying standards and were eligible but not selected?
Elizabeth Morland is too old afaik

Sarah Healy must had qualifying times.

RayCun

YFlyer wrote: »

Sarah Healy must had qualifying times.

You'd hardly send her to two championships a week apart

Chivito550

Testosterscone wrote: »

Kate O'Connor had the qualifying mark but has already had Commonwealths and College Championships this year so imagine didn't register expression of interest for this.

Have to say I’m surprised she didn’t target either this or Gyor last week, but she’s a junior for another 2 years so much more to come.

Pherekydes

Chivito550 wrote: »

Have to say I’m surprised she didn’t target either this or Gyor last week, but she’s a junior for another 2 years so much more to come.

Too old for Györ by 20 days.

Testosterscone

Chivito550 wrote: »

Have to say I’m surprised she didn’t target either this or Gyor last week, but she’s a junior for another 2 years so much more to come.

US collegiate commitments in May after Commonwealths in April. Would imagine it was that or Commonwealths to be honest.

YFlyer

RayCun wrote: »

You'd hardly send her to two championships a week apart

Yet Rhasidat Adeleke did.

Oiriallach

Testosterscone wrote: »

US collegiate commitments in May after Commonwealths in April. Would imagine it was that or Commonwealths to be honest.

Kate O'Connor is not at college in the US. She's just finished 5th year in secondary school in Dundalk. She's been injured since the Commonwealths.

RayCun

YFlyer wrote: »

Yet Rhasidat Adeleke did.

and got injured

(and she didn't compete in the individual events, just the relay)

Chivito550

YFlyer wrote: »

Yet Rhasidat Adeleke did.

Bit of a difference in sprinting, and only being part of the relay the second week. Also, she injured herself so one could argue it was not the right decision (not saying that is my opinion, just that it could be argued).

Sarah Healy running multiple middle distance races the week after running 3 races in Gyor would have been a poor call. She’ll be a junior in 2 years time.

YFlyer

RayCun wrote: »

and got injured

(and she didn't compete in the individual events, just the relay)

Mistake by Athletics Ireland then.

RayCun

YFlyer wrote: »

Mistake by Athletics Ireland then.

Why must it be described as a mistake?

There is a certain risk involved every time someone steps on to a track. And it's not possible to be at competition peak for a long period.

With Healy, people (AAI? her? her coach? her parents?) obviously decided that two championships a week apart would be pushing it, given the distances she was running. They might have been wrong, maybe she could have run well at both.

With Adeleke, people (AAI? her? her coach? her parents? her relay teammates?) decided that she could do both. And maybe 9 times out of 10 she could have, but this time was the unlucky one. Or maybe something could have been changed in the preparation, or her recovery last week? Or maybe a long season eventually took its toll.

Testosterscone

Oiriallach wrote: »

Testosterscone wrote: »

US collegiate commitments in May after Commonwealths in April. Would imagine it was that or Commonwealths to be honest.

Kate O'Connor is not at college in the US. She's just finished 5th year in secondary school in Dundalk. She's been injured since the Commonwealths.

Sorry thought i saw her results in the ECAC championship results from May??

YFlyer

RayCun wrote: »

Why must it be described as a mistake?

There is a certain risk involved every time someone steps on to a track. And it's not possible to be at competition peak for a long period.

With Healy, people (AAI? her? her coach? her parents?) obviously decided that two championships a week apart would be pushing it, given the distances she was running. They might have been wrong, maybe she could have run well at both.

With Adeleke, people (AAI? her? her coach? her parents? her relay teammates?) decided that she could do both. And maybe 9 times out of 10 she could have, but this time was the unlucky one. Or maybe something could have been changed in the preparation, or her recovery last week? Or maybe a long season eventually took its toll.

Well because they sent her to two championships a week apart.

RayCun

YFlyer wrote: »

Well because they sent her to two championships a week apart.

Ok, suppose they (which is everyone involved) estimate that there is a 60% chance that she will pick up an injury if she runs. But there's a 40% chance that the team will win a medal if she runs, and only a 20% chance if she doesn't. Should they send her?

If they send her and she gets injured, it's a mistake?

What if they don't send her and they don't medal, is that a mistake? (Remember, both the US and Jamaican teams were DQed)

Sometimes it isn't about getting it right or making a mistake. There are just decisions that work out well and decisions that work out badly.

YFlyer

RayCun wrote: »

Ok, suppose they (which is everyone involved) estimate that there is a 60% chance that she will pick up an injury if she runs. But there's a 40% chance that the team will win a medal if she runs, and only a 20% chance if she doesn't. Should they send her?

If they send her and she gets injured, it's a mistake?

What if they don't send her and they don't medal, is that a mistake? (Remember, both the US and Jamaican teams were DQed)

Sometimes it isn't about getting it right or making a mistake. There are just decisions that work out well and decisions that work out badly.

You did ask was there athletes that made the qualifying standard. I gave you the name of one athlete. Never said she should have competed at the under 20s World Championships.

horsebox1977

RayCun wrote: »

Are there athletes that met the qualifying standards and were eligible but not selected?
Elizabeth Morland is too old afaik

Yes Moreland was born in 1998 and is too old.

I was thinking of Kate O'C and Niamh Fogarty who threw 49.31 and the qualifying standard is 48m

Sexton qualified for the 100m, and I'm sure there are others too.

Did O'Connor make the right decision in choosing the Commonwealths over these games, she may with a little bit of luck have got a medal in Finland.

https://media.aws.iaaf.org/competitioninfo/ba04a22c-6499-4af3-b6b6-a7705ca08739.pdf