RTE Interview

Villain

I laughed hard at this http://www.irishevowners.ie/formal-complaint-filed-to-rte-for-today-with-sean-orourke-program/

This is in relation to https://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/rteradiowebpage.html#!rii=b9%5F21386325%5F15036%5F20%2D06%2D2018%5F

While Anton was being playful I actually think the interview raised infrastructure issues that are present and the guest that owned an i3 gave an insight into the possible issues.

Now I know there are positive sides to an EV which could be highlighted too but the experience of that guest is a reality for some.

I get that IEVOA want to promote EVs but the issues raised in the interview are real.

I can't listen to the interview now but my main rason for getting Rex was because of the very poor CCS infrastructure.

Just today I had to go to Dublin and needed/wanted to charge at Naas, was at 12.5% when I got there, 2 leafs there, one charging and one waiting, eah, no thanks I said and pulled into the new garage there at Mac D and filled the tank and headed into the City.

There not a single practical CCS point from Waterford to the City of Dublin, now after 2011 that is absolutely shocking, no pun intended.

My advise to anyone looking to charge at Naas is avoid at all costs and plan your route as if Naas charger does not exist.

There are no CCs in the city or anywhere close to town.

And more disturbing is the fact there is no CCS that is practical to use on the actual route from Waterford to Lusk and that is , again, an absolute disgrace !

Boy am I glad I chose the Rex and I have a feeling I'l be buying another because 300 Km range is nice and all but if you need a charge and can't get it or have to wait up to 1.5 hrs then what's the point ? you're back at square 1.

Making a complaint to RTE for highlighting this lack of proper infrastructure is a joke alright, as mush as we've argued in the past Villan I fully agree with you on this. One of the main reasons people won't buy electrics is range and lack of charging.

A proper charging setup is 4+ chargers per site no less is considered acceptable today and they need to think ahead and install 150 Kw.

Oh and to my surprise the Qpark close to where I'm staying tonight has an AC point so I'm plugged in there at the moment. So I do also hope they don't give up completely on AC as it's dead handy particularly having the 11 Kw charger in the i3.

goz83

Ridiculous interview. The only accurate thing they mentioned was the inadequate public network.

So the chap buys an i3 Rex and doesn't understand the car.
He thinks the petrol engine runs the car, rather than charges the battery when needed.
He talks about range anxiety...but he has the rex :rolleyes:
He has no off-street parking and relies on the local dart station to charge the car....and then says it costs €3 to charge it.
He jokes that pre-heating the car in the morning will eat 50% of the battery.

They talk about the electricity being produced by burning coal and peat, but fail to mention that 40% of our electricity is produced by renewable sources and that those charging at night are using electricity which is ~70% from wind.

It's no wonder the IEVOA sent in a formal complaint. No balance to that show at all.

slave1

Deleted User wrote: »

I can't listen to the interview now but my main rason for getting Rex was because of the very poor CCS infrastructure.

Just today I had to go to Dublin and needed/wanted to charge at Naas, was at 12.5% when I got there, 2 leafs there, one charging and one waiting, eah, no thanks I said and pulled into the new garage there at Mac D and filled the tank and headed into the City.

There not a single practical CCS point from Waterford to the City of Dublin, now after 2011 that is absolutely shocking, no pun intended.

My advise to anyone looking to charge at Naas is avoid at all costs and plan your route as if Naas charger does not exist.

There are no CCs in the city or anywhere close to town.

And more disturbing is the fact there is no CCS that is practical to use on the actual route from Waterford to Lusk and that is , again, an absolute disgrace !

Boy am I glad I chose the Rex and I have a feeling I'l be buying another because 300 Km range is nice and all but if you need a charge and can't get it or have to wait up to 1.5 hrs then what's the point ? you're back at square 1.

Making a complaint to RTE for highlighting this lack of proper infrastructure is a joke alright, as mush as we've argued in the past Villan I fully agree with you on this. One of the main reasons people won't buy electrics is range and lack of charging.

A proper charging setup is 4+ chargers per site no less is considered acceptable today and they need to think ahead and install 150 Kw.

EV's remain local range use, have been let down too many times at destination or route charging, yes we've had mainly successful trips but +3/4 hours because rapids out of action is not pretty....grand for the occasional trip but not a commute or time sensitive trip

40% of our electricity renewable ? More like 20?

40% of our electricity renewable ? More like 20?

NIMAN

Do those two 20% make up 40% Mad Lad?????

goz83

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40% of our electricity renewable ? More like 20?

I switched to energia yesterday. When I was comparing prices, there were charts on electric ireland and bonkers that said 40% of our electricity is generated by renewables. About 40% is gas and the coal and peat I believe made up the rest.

Agent_47

goz83 wrote: »

I switched to energia yesterday. When I was comparing prices, there were charts on electric ireland and bonkers that said 40% of our electricity is generated by renewables. About 40% is gas and the coal and peat I believe made up the rest.

Rubbish. Fosil fuels make up at least >75% of electricity production.

Renewable electricity (SEAI projections report 2017 to 2020)
Achievements to date: Wind energy, generated from 2.44 GW of installed capacity23 at the end of 2015, accounted for 21% of total electricity generated in that year. Hydro and other renewable electricity sources had a combined share of 4% of total electricity generation. This resulted in an overall renewable electricity share of 25% at the end of 2015, building towards the 40% renewable electricity target by 2020. In 2015, approximately 270 MW of wind capacity was installed, an increase on the average installed capacity over the five-year period 2011–2015 of 200 MW

As a current non-EV owner and energy nerd I have a particular interest in this area.
in the overall energy picture renewables account for just 9.1%, given cicra 42% of our energy needs are in the transport sector.

Round Cable

Agent_47 wrote: »

Rubbish. Fosil fuels make up at least >80% of electricity production.

Electric Ireland's fuel mix disclosure puts renewables it at 40.1% in 2016.

https://www.electricireland.ie/residential/help/billing/fuel-mix-disclosure

Round Cable

Agent_47 wrote: »

Rubbish. Fosil fuels make up at least >80% of electricity production.

Electric Ireland's fuel mix disclosure puts it at 40.1% in 2016.

https://www.electricireland.ie/residential/help/billing/fuel-mix-disclosure

goz83

Agent_47 wrote: »

Rubbish. Fosil fuels make up at least >80% of electricity production.

Can you back that up with a link?

goz83

Agent_47 wrote: »

Rubbish. Fosil fuels make up at least >80% of electricity production.

Care to back that up? Or is “rubbish” all you’ve got?

2016 chart from the cru. Page 3. https://www.cru.ie/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/CRU17288-CRU-Fuel-Mix-Disclosure-and-CO2-Emission-2016-version-28-September-2017-FINAL-PDF.pdf

KevinCavan

Do hotels have charging points for electric cars?

goz83

boards was down

NIMAN

NIMAN wrote: »

Do those two 20% make up 40% Mad Lad?????

Haha, that's Boards site acting the mick again !

homer911

Deleted User wrote: »

40% of our electricity renewable ? More like 20?

Rather than bandy around guestimates..

According to the SEAI, it was 23.6% in 2015, we can expect that to have increased since but can't find any more recent numbers without a major search

Fossil fuel energy consumption was 85% in 2015, but that doesn't mean it was all used for producing electricity. In 2014, we got 45% of electricity from natural gas, 14% from coal, 9% from peat, 3% from other and 8% through the interconnector, but I cant locate stats on how this electricity is produced...

Calahonda52

Not much wind today
http://www.eirgridgroup.com/how-the-grid-works/system-information/

Agent_47

goz83 wrote: »

Can you back that up with a link?

For any doubting Thomas's

https://www.seai.ie/resources/publications/Irelands_Energy_Projections.pdf

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Agent_47

goz83 wrote: »

Care to back that up? Or is “rubbish” all you’ve got?

2016 chart from the cru. Page 3. https://www.cru.ie/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/CRU17288-CRU-Fuel-Mix-Disclosure-and-CO2-Emission-2016-version-28-September-2017-FINAL-PDF.pdf

https://www.seai.ie/resources/publications/Irelands_Energy_Projections.pdf

Won't be posting here again, too many experts :cool:

So what does it say ? too much reading lol.

goz83

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So what does it say ? too much reading lol.

That I was right. I was quoting more recent figures from 2016 from the same source.

Old diesel

I was confused with the professor talking about the i3 Rex.

What am I not understanding about the i3 Rex if he struggled to do a Kenmare trip in it.

Is it a tiny petrol tank or some other issue I'm unaware off.

Soarer

Villain wrote: »

I laughed hard at this http://www.irishevowners.ie/formal-complaint-filed-to-rte-for-today-with-sean-orourke-program/

This is in relation to https://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/rteradiowebpage.html#!rii=b9%5F21386325%5F15036%5F20%2D06%2D2018%5F

While Anton was being playful I actually think the interview raised infrastructure issues that are present and the guest that owned an i3 gave an insight into the possible issues.

Now I know there are positive sides to an EV which could be highlighted too but the experience of that guest is a reality for some.

I get that IEVOA want to promote EVs but the issues raised in the interview are real.

Can't listen at the minute, but is that the same fella that write an open letter to the Irish Times (I think) complaining that after he'd bought his EV, he has no home charging and has to depend on a local Dart/Hotel to charge? And he went down the country (Cork?) and was always caught in a queue at the chargers?

If it is, I thought he'd bought a gen1 Leaf. If he has a REx, he'd want a kick up the hole!

Old diesel

Old diesel wrote: »

I was confused with the professor talking about the i3 Rex.

What am I not understanding about the i3 Rex if he struggled to do a Kenmare trip in it.

Is it a tiny petrol tank or some other issue I'm unaware off.

Rex can drive as long as it has battery charge and/or petrol.

Rex = no queuing at chargers and can continue when a charger is down or the 94 ah BEV can use the 11 Kw AC which is a good get out of jail card.

Old diesel

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Old diesel wrote: »

I was confused with the professor talking about the i3 Rex.

What am I not understanding about the i3 Rex if he struggled to do a Kenmare trip in it.

Is it a tiny petrol tank or some other issue I'm unaware off.

Rex can drive as long as it has battery charge and/or petrol.

Rex = no queuing at chargers and can continue when a charger is down or the 94 ah BEV can use the 11 Kw AC which is a good get out of jail card.

Precisely what I thought myself - hence I struggle with how the professor had issues on both Kenmare trip and managing his 30 km golf club trips

goz83

Old diesel wrote: »

Precisely what I thought myself - hence I struggle with how the professor had issues on both Kenmare trip and managing his 30 km golf club trips

It was an EV put down, simple as. Wrap a little truth with a bunch of lies and the uneducated masses are put off. He was talking about the battery only range and didn't talk about the rex in any way that a non EV person would understand. Sounded like a bitter man who made the wrong choice with the best intentions.

The show needed an official complaint put in.

Old diesel

Old diesel wrote: »

Precisely what I thought myself - hence I struggle with how the professor had issues on both Kenmare trip and managing his 30 km golf club trips

He couldn't have ran into any issues unless he was complaining he couldn't charge.

I drove from Limerick all around the ring of Kerry and even took a much longer detour from the main ring route and back to Killarney. Topped up in Newcastle west on the fast charger coming from Limerick then into Cahersiveen and charged at 11 Kw for about 45 mins over lunch and then around the ring with detour and fired up the rex before Killarney to preserve some battery for town driving.

Planned to charge on AC over night but the Killarney AC was down. so next day had to drive to Cashel all the way on rex and charged up there for 30 mins and back to Carlow.

That trip would have been impossible without Rex or a lot more inconvenient.

Anyway, with the Rex every trip is possible.

Villain

goz83 wrote: »

It was an EV put down, simple as. Wrap a little truth with a bunch of lies and the uneducated masses are put off. He was talking about the battery only range and didn't talk about the rex in any way that a non EV person would understand. Sounded like a bitter man who made the wrong choice with the best intentions.

The show needed an official complaint put in.

It was his experience of owning an EV. Doesn’t mean everyone else will have same experience.

The complaint thing is hilarious, whoever came up with that idea knows feck all about the BAI or even less about to get PR and counter the message.

ELM327

User purchases Plug in hybrid
User complains about having to charge said plugin hybrid
User changes to non plugin hybrid

What is the guy bitching about? He's clearly an incompetent buffoon if he thinks he can a) charge his car at home with no home charger, b) the NEDC range is anywhere near achievable or c)why was no mention made of the fact he can drive as long as he wants once he keeps putting petrol in.

Very unbalanced piece, but sure you'd expect nothing more from rte