A healthier bread option

mrtom

I am looking out for a healthier bread option as I learn more about the benefits of starch resistance carbs. I bought a 7 Seed loaf however I see a very long list of ingredients which I don't understand. Any experts out there that can help me?

emo72

mrtom wrote: »

I am looking out for a healthier bread option as I learn more about the benefits of starch resistance carbs. I bought a 7 Seed loaf however I see a very long list of ingredients which I don't understand. Any experts out there that can help me?

This is the dream. Hopefully there I an alternative, but anyone I know says no bread is good if you want to lose weight. I love bread.

Dial Hard

Bread isn't inherently fattening. It's how much of it you eat and what you put between it that's the bigger issue for most people.

Macy0161

emo72 wrote:

This is the dream. Hopefully there I an alternative, but anyone I know says no bread is good if you want to lose weight. I love bread.

Nothing wrong with bread. Whole grain and seeded breads are likely to be more calorific than a white sliced pan. Like most carbs, it's portion control that's the issue rather than the food itself.

5 grain multiseed is nice from Aldi. But bread isn't hard to make if you want full control, but it does make the aforementioned portion control much harder!

mrtom

Macy0161 wrote: »

Nothing wrong with bread. Whole grain and seeded breads are likely to be more calorific than a white sliced pan. Like most carbs, it's portion control that's the issue rather than the food itself.

5 grain multiseed is nice from Aldi. But bread isn't hard to make if you want full control, but it does make the aforementioned portion control much harder!

Point taken, however when I see the long ingredient list with "sugar cane fiber & carmelised sugar" I decided to dig a little further and learn more

mickwat155

Here's a recipe for homemade bread with minimal ingredients and very easy to make an tastes lovely



https://books.google.ie/books?id=w6wzDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT166&lpg=PT166&dq=karl+henry+bread+seed&source=bl&ots=QNL2fxhwQh&sig=ZrhLxcbUTO_x4Z8VnyHTGYEdkiI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjC-LX_3MbbAhUBOsAKHTWHAJQQ6AEwF3oECAYQAQ#v=onepage&q=karl%20henry%20bread%20seed&f=false

silverharp

Dial Hard wrote: »

Bread isn't inherently fattening. It's how much of it you eat and what you put between it that's the bigger issue for most people.

i'd say the opposite especially if talking about fluffy white bread , its a simple carb food and simple carb food promotes weight gain. if anyone needed to improve the diet, taking it out would be a simple win. obviously a difference between eating 1 slice every other day and having 4 every day as the basis for ones lunch or something

op here is an example of a simple enough non wheat bread recipe, its basically buckwheat and chia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMg6Rrt1mAA

Alf Veedersane

silverharp wrote: »

i'd say the opposite especially if talking about fluffy white bread , its a simple carb food and simple carb food promotes weight gain

It promotes weight gain if you eat too much of it. If its part of a diet where caloric intake is at maintenance or lower, you won't gain weight.

There's more nutritional value in other breads but that doesn't make white bread inherently bad in and of itself.

fussyonion

silverharp wrote: »

i'd say the opposite especially if talking about fluffy white bread , its a simple carb food and simple carb food promotes weight gain. if anyone needed to improve the diet, taking it out would be a simple win. obviously a difference between eating 1 slice every other day and having 4 every day as the basis for ones lunch or something

op here is an example of a simple enough non wheat bread recipe, its basically buckwheat and chia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMg6Rrt1mAA

I lost over 7 stone and I ate white bread almost every day.

Mellor

fussyonion wrote: »

I lost over 7 stone and I ate white bread almost every day.

For the sake of balance. Having 7 stone to lose gives somebody way way more leeway than a typical person. Could probably eat McDonalds everyday and maintain a deficit. Doesn't mean McDonalds is fine on a diet.


Personally, If I find it hard to get lean for comp without low carb/keto.
Aldi do a low carb bread (Herman Brott rebrand) thats 2.5g carbs, 12g protein, per slice

wakka12

emo72 wrote: »

This is the dream. Hopefully there I an alternative, but anyone I know says no bread is good if you want to lose weight. I love bread.

Theres nothing wrong with a bit of wholemeal bread.Dont go wasting your time making stupid almond or coconut flower bread or whatever and all these unnecessary time consuming recipes you see online when theres plenty of cheap decently healthy breads in supermarkets. As with all things just don't eat too much and then its not a problem.You don't need an alternative to bread if you just have a bit of restraint and keep it to two or so slices a day.


Silver harp does have a point though, a brown/wholemeal bread has more fibre and nutrients and keeps you fuller for longer, so white bread while having similar calories you'll end up being hungrier earlier on after eating it and prone to eating more and gaining weight

jaxxx

Dial Hard wrote: »

Bread isn't inherently fattening. It's how much of it you eat and what you put between it that's the bigger issue for most people.

Well I've restricted myself to only eating wholemeal now, maximum 2 slices per day generally as a sandwich for lunch, with chicken, butter and lettuce in between. I think it's fairly healthy. Some days before my new health food campaign I half a dozen slices a day...! Wasnt wholemeal either!!


Honestly this whole eating healthy thing feels weird... The unhealthiest thing I ate today was 2 potato waffles and 2 poached eggs for supper!


I've seen a few dieticians and they generally all went for wholemeal as the way to go, without going into all these fancy other breads.

Bananaleaf

If it's calories you want to cut down on, avoid the butter altogether and toast the sandwich in a panini maker or george forman. You won't notice the lack of butter.

silverharp

fussyonion wrote: »

silverharp wrote: »

i'd say the opposite especially if talking about fluffy white bread , its a simple carb food and simple carb food promotes weight gain. if anyone needed to improve the diet, taking it out would be a simple win. obviously a difference between eating 1 slice every other day and having 4 every day as the basis for ones lunch or something

op here is an example of a simple enough non wheat bread recipe, its basically buckwheat and chia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMg6Rrt1mAA

I lost over 7 stone and I ate white bread almost every day.

You lost 7 stone in spite of eating bread everyday. It has no positive nutrients , it doesn't make you feel full or curb your appetite and to the extent you ate it ,it spiked or raised your insulin.
You know obviously did a great job but if you said you ate a twix everyday it wouldn't change my opinion on sugary foods, in some way it slowed you down or it would tend to in other people.

silverharp

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

silverharp wrote: »

i'd say the opposite especially if talking about fluffy white bread , its a simple carb food and simple carb food promotes weight gain

It promotes weight gain if you eat too much of it. If its part of a diet where caloric intake is at maintenance or lower, you won't gain weight.

There's more nutritional value in other breads but that doesn't make white bread inherently bad in and of itself.

Objectively white bread is a high GI food, so it is in the basket of foods that is part of the western obesity problem. I don't really want to nit pick what "bad" means or what "too much" means . as the tech is getting there the sure answer would be to wear a glucometer for a month and measure what foods you can tolerate at what levels.
You mentioned calories in and calories out but you can only measure what goes in , its not possible to know what your body is doing with them. 1800 calories of sugar is not metabolically the same as the same in broccoli so there are other dimensions to look at

igCorcaigh

The only bread I eat, pretty much, is wholewheat pita, toasted, but not too often.
It's the only way I can eat sardines, and I usually fill them with sardines or rocket/hummous/veges.
(OK, sometimes cheese)

They're delicious.

igCorcaigh

I was with my Dad in a Chinese restaurant once, and my Dad asked for bread to have with his soup (chicken noodle).
The waitress had to explain that they were a Chinese restaurant (right?) and they don't do bread.

He looked bemused.

igCorcaigh

The Biona rye bread can be a good option, really quite filling with even half a slice.
Nice with salmon and pickles.

Alf Veedersane

silverharp wrote: »

Objectively white bread is a high GI food, so it is in the basket of foods that is part of the western obesity problem. I don't really want to nit pick what "bad" means or what "too much" means . as the tech is getting there the sure answer would be to wear a glucometer for a month and measure what foods you can tolerate at what levels.
You mentioned calories in and calories out but you can only measure what goes in , its not possible to know what your body is doing with them. 1800 calories of sugar is not metabolically the same as the same in broccoli so there are other dimensions to look at

It's a model that works pretty well for the most part. It's not exact calculation but it isn't for any food.

I don't think bread is inherently bad. Are there better choices? Absolutely. Can you eat bread and lose weight? Absolutely.

If our diets were dictated by a glucometer, there would be a lot more miserable people knocking around.

Again, I'm not suggesting a bread-based diet is a good idea. But I don't think its entirely necessary to exclude it completely.

AllForIt

Most breads you buy in the supermarkets are nutritionally rubbish. All these seeded breads is just a marketing ploy - it's a ploy to make it look healthy to the uniformed consumer when the bread itself is devoid of nutrition.

All starchy carbs are the most difficult to resist because once you start eating them they are converted to glycogen immediately which makes them addictive - leading one to overeat. Thus it's quite easy to overeat bread. If one can eat very small amounts of carby bread then well done you but you would be an exception. I suggest ppl who are particularly active can get away with it far better than those who aren't particularly.

Silverharp is absolutely right when he says that bread is a major reason for obesity - it is not about what is in the sandwich. I'd argue that the main attraction to unhealthy sandwiches is not what's between the slices - but the bread itself. Who would want to eat what's between the slices if they couldn't have the bread to go with it? Just try it - throw what you like to put on a sandwich into a bowl, mix it up like a salad, and see how much you like it without the bread. Likely not at all.

igCorcaigh

AllForIt wrote: »

Most breads you buy in the supermarkets are nutritionally rubbish. All these seeded breads is just a marketing ploy - it's a ploy to make it look healthy to the uniformed consumer when the bread itself is devoid of nutrition.

All starchy carbs are the most difficult to resist because once you start eating them they are converted to glycogen immediately which makes them addictive - leading one to overeat. Thus it's quite easy to overeat bread. If one can eat very small amounts of carby bread then well done you but you would be an exception. I suggest ppl who are particularly active can get away with it far better than those who aren't particularly.

Silverharp is absolutely right when he says that bread is a major reason for obesity - it is not about what is in the sandwich. I'd argue that the main attraction to unhealthy sandwiches is not what's between the slices - but the bread itself. Who would want to eat what's between the slices if they couldn't have the bread to go with it? Just try it - throw what you like to put on a sandwich into a bowl, mix it up like a salad, and see how much you like it without the bread. Likely not at all.

Completely agree, but also I find that people use bread as a comfort food.

Which it is, and no issue with that as such, but isn't it a reason why we should rethink our relationship with feelings and foods such as bread?

My mum was trying to cut down on butter; I suggested olive oil, and the reply was how can I put olive oil on my toast and marmalade every night at 10pm.

Personally, I think go ahead and have your comfort toast. She is 67.

But each to their own.

AllForIt

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Completely agree, but also I find that people use bread as a comfort food.

Which it is, and no issue with that as such, but isn't it a reason why we should rethink our relationship with feelings and foods such as bread?

My mum was trying to cut down on butter; I suggested olive oil, and the reply was how can I put olive oil on my toast and marmalade every night at 10pm.

Personally, I think go ahead and have your comfort toast. She is 67.

But each to their own.

All starchy carbs and sugar are comfort foods. This is all because of the hit the brain gets from the glycogen input. One doesn't brain hit from eating fat. Fat has no addictive nature about it which is why so many ppl have such success going on a Keto diet. In fact they end up eating less despite the fact fat is almost double the calorific content as carbs.

My mum was trying to cut down on butter; I suggested olive oil, and the reply was how can I put olive oil on my toast and marmalade every night at 10pm.

This just supports my point about carbs. Who would eat butter on it's own or even likes the taste of butter on it's own. It's all about the bread.

As far as your 67 yo mum is concerned I'd say fire away mum. It's all about what one's goal is, is she doesn't want to be ripped at 67 then fine.

Alf Veedersane

AllForIt wrote: »

Silverharp is absolutely right when he says that bread is a major reason for obesity

Silverharp didn't actually say that.

Also it isn't a major reason for obesity. Eating too much is a major reason for obesity.

AllForIt

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Silverharp didn't actually say that.

I was paraphrasing. I don't think in doing so I bent the meaning of what he meant but I'm sure he can speak for himself If I did.

Also it isn't a major reason for obesity. Eating too much is a major reason for obesity.

Well that's insightful. Just say to anyone who is overweight they are eating too much - problem solved. Make that point a Sticky please mod.

Alf Veedersane

AllForIt wrote: »

Well that's insightful. Just say to anyone who is overweight they are eating too much - problem solved. Make that point a Sticky please mod.

In your rush to be facetious, you skipped the point.

But you made the same point as I did in another thread in this sub-forum yesterday:

"Bread has nothing to do with it. It all about your total calorific intake and wherever those calories come from is irrelevant. You have to continue on a calorie deficit to get to where you want to be and how you do that is up to you"

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=107272599&postcount=2

i.e. it's the caloric intake that's the salient bit. Not the presence of bread in the diet.

AllForIt

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

In your rush to be facetious, you skipped the point.

But you made the same point as I did in another thread in this sub-forum yesterday:

"Bread has nothing to do with it. It all about your total calorific intake and wherever those calories come from is irrelevant. You have to continue on a calorie deficit to get to where you want to be and how you do that is up to you"

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=107272599&postcount=2

i.e. it's the caloric intake that's the salient bit. Not the presence of bread in the diet.

Bit weird of you to be creeping around my posts and especially when you deliberatly neglicted to quote me properly in full.

He is what I said in full:

Bread has nothing to do with it. It all about your total calorific intake and wherever those calories come from is irrelevant. You have to continue on a calorie deficit to get to where you want to be and how you do that is up to you. Edit: Bread of course is a starchy crab which is difficult to resist so if you did cut out the bread you'd reduce your caloric intake easily by that one restriction. You have to go that extra mile to get really lean.

If you want to go ahead and pick random posts I have made on the forum that seemingly contradicts what I have said on this thread out of context then go ahead. Rather pathetic tactic though just to present yourself as the ultimate all knowledgeable advisor here.

The problem with know-it-all's is that they usually arn't.

Happy4all

Kos lettuce leaves is the solution.

Alf Veedersane

AllForIt wrote: »

Bit weird of you to be creeping around my posts and especially when you deliberatly neglicted to quote me properly in full.

He is what I said in full:



If you want to go ahead and pick random posts I have made on the forum that seemingly contradicts what I have said on this thread out of context then go ahead. Rather pathetic tactic though just to present yourself as the ultimate all knowledgeable advisor here.

The problem with know-it-all's is that they usually arn't.

So theres no need to be so defensive. It's a bit of a stretch to suggest I was creeping around your posts. It was the thread that was top of this very sub-forum. Hard to miss it if you frequent this forum. And not that you'll care but to thought it was sound advice.

I haven't presented myself as 'ultimate all knowledgeable advisor'. Just disagreed that bread is a major cause of obesity.

The additional part of the post didn't really change the tenor of your comment, ie that omitting bread is a way to reduce calorie intake.

You're quite free to believe that bread is a major cause of obesity if you think it is. I just completely disagree. It's a discussion forum so you're allowed to disagree without getting upset.

uncle_sam_ie

AllForIt wrote: »

All starchy carbs and sugar are comfort foods. This is all because of the hit the brain gets from the glycogen input. One doesn't brain hit from eating fat. Fat has no addictive nature about it which is why so many ppl have such success going on a Keto diet. In fact they end up eating less despite the fact fat is almost double the calorific content as carbs.




This just supports my point about carbs. Who would eat butter on it's own or even likes the taste of butter on it's own. It's all about the bread.

As far as your 67 yo mum is concerned I'd say fire away mum. It's all about what one's goal is, is she doesn't want to be ripped at 67 then fine.

I've been on Keto for a few years now and it has totally worked for me. At age 50 I went from a 44 inch beer belly weighing 210 pounds to 32 inches 160 pounds. All diet with absolutely no exercise. A high fat diet has killed all the cravings for carb heavy sugary foods.

Mellor

AllForIt wrote: »

Well that's insightful. Just say to anyone who is overweight they are eating too much - problem solved. Make that point a Sticky please mod.

Saying to them that they are eating too much bread isn't going to solve the problem either. Take any point to an extreme conclusion like that and it sounds ridiculous.

wakka12

AllForIt wrote: »

I was paraphrasing. I don't think in doing so I bent the meaning of what he meant but I'm sure he can speak for himself If I did.



Well that's insightful. Just say to anyone who is overweight they are eating too much - problem solved. Make that point a Sticky please mod.

The amount matters, but some foods, such as white bread, leave you feeling less full despite having similar calorie content to foods, like brown bread, and lead to people being more likely to overeat than if they had opted for food which didn't consist of empty calories

fussyonion

uncle_sam_ie wrote: »

AllForIt wrote: »

All starchy carbs and sugar are comfort foods. This is all because of the hit the brain gets from the glycogen input. One doesn't brain hit from eating fat. Fat has no addictive nature about it which is why so many ppl have such success going on a Keto diet. In fact they end up eating less despite the fact fat is almost double the calorific content as carbs.




This just supports my point about carbs. Who would eat butter on it's own or even likes the taste of butter on it's own. It's all about the bread.

As far as your 67 yo mum is concerned I'd say fire away mum. It's all about what one's goal is, is she doesn't want to be ripped at 67 then fine.

I've been on Keto for a few years now and it has totally worked for me. At age 50 I went from a 44 inch beer belly weighing 210 pounds to 32 inches 160 pounds. All diet with absolutely no exercise. A high fat diet has killed all the cravings for carb heavy sugary foods.

Just an aside: Keto is NOT recommended for Type 1 diabetics.

gctest50

fussyonion wrote: »

Just an aside: Keto is NOT recommended for Type 1 diabetics.

why not ?

theblacknight

Have you tried Sourdough bread?

It's a lot healthier as it's actually a fermented food. A lot of the gluten is broken down by the starter yeast so even some people with gluten sensitivity are ok eating it. Also good for the gut bacteria and a lot easier to digest. I also find I can eat less of it and still be fuller. Also - it tastes so much better.

****'s expensive though.