Waterford GAA thread - mod warning post #1 and #51

deisedude

PTH2009 wrote: »

were in group b in the Munster Hurling league 2019 along with Cork and Clare. Fixtures will be played after xmas

Grp A is Limerick, Tipp and Kerry

All teams in each group play each other once with the top team in each group facing off in the final on the 13th Jan

be nice to get some game time before the start of the league unlike we did this year

To be honest with all the games in league and championship these pre-season tournaments should be done away with

KevIRL

deisedude wrote: »

To be honest with all the games in league and championship these pre-season tournaments should be done away with

Still and all, can't beat freezing the auld bollix off watching hurling in early January

Christy Browne

Last thing we need is a 20,000 seater white elephant when we’re struggling to get a couple of thousand into a county final the past few years ffs

HatchetMan7

DiscoStew wrote: »

I think that’s a very harsh statement. Some clubs could comfortably afford such levies but there is lots of smaller clubs that were under huge pressure to pay the last levies but did so, even though the debt incurred was of no doing of theirs.
Many people, im not saying you are one of them by the way, who are not affiliated with clubs are offering their opinion on this topic and asking the clubs to pay off so much yet it will cost them nothing as they are not members of any club.

My own biggest grievance with Walsh Park is simply no floodlights. This rules out Saturday night league games straight away which often brings people into the towns for overnight trips. It also rules out us playing any night challenge games there to get used to the surroundings and also rules out night time club games being played there.

I think it was alluded to earlier, but the Munster Council are calling the shots and saying take this cheaper option as we have bailed ye out recently and will not be doing so again if we were to run into any difficulty paying off the proposed Carriganore stadium.

Im from a small club myself so I know too well what we had to do to pay off those levies. My point is that there is plenty of other ways to generate money within the county than putting it all on the clubs. But that would require the county board to think outside the box.

It makes me laugh reading a different poster here from the city no doubt complaining about the 4 mile distance they would have to travel to get out to Carriganore. What about the rest of the county driving anywhere up to an hour to get to Walsh Park and then find it difficult to get parking. Lets start thinking about what's best for Waterford GAA long term for a change. We keep trying this short term solution and it keeps biting us in the a**e.

Deiseen

HatchetMan7 wrote: »

Im from a small club myself so I know too well what we had to do to pay off those levies. My point is that there is plenty of other ways to generate money within the county than putting it all on the clubs. But that would require the county board to think outside the box.

It makes me laugh reading a different poster here from the city no doubt complaining about the 4 mile distance they would have to travel to get out to Carriganore. What about the rest of the county driving anywhere up to an hour to get to Walsh Park and then find it difficult to get parking. Lets start thinking about what's best for Waterford GAA long term for a change. We keep trying this short term solution and it keeps biting us in the a**e.

Where you gonna park in Carriganore when the car park is full?

914

HatchetMan7 wrote: »

Im from a small club myself so I know too well what we had to do to pay off those levies. My point is that there is plenty of other ways to generate money within the county than putting it all on the clubs. But that would require the county board to think outside the box.

It makes me laugh reading a different poster here from the city no doubt complaining about the 4 mile distance they would have to travel to get out to Carriganore. What about the rest of the county driving anywhere up to an hour to get to Walsh Park and then find it difficult to get parking. Lets start thinking about what's best for Waterford GAA long term for a change. We keep trying this short term solution and it keeps biting us in the a**e.

Imagine how the people of castletownbeer or skibbereen in cork must feel when they have to travel to PUC!

This is the same for every county. Waterford is a small county and has two venues for club and county teams. Walsh Park will be 16k and faher field will be 10k. So it won't be a case that people will always be required to drive and hour to Walsh Park.

Whats the difference in driving an hour to walsh park as opposed to driving to thurles/limerick or cork for our "Home" games!

HatchetMan7

Christy Browne wrote: »

Last thing we need is a 20,000 seater white elephant when we’re struggling to get a couple of thousand into a county final the past few years ffs

Why are we only getting a couple of thousand at county finals?
Is it the venues, the cost of entrance, lack of interest or lack of promotion etc?
I don't accept that nothing can be done about it.


Why not build 2-3 thousand seater stadium then, state of the art, if that's the goal. The question is, is it possible to get more bums on seats for county finals. The answer is of course. How do you do it?

Deiseen

HatchetMan7 wrote: »

Why are we only getting a couple of thousand at county finals?
Is it the venues, the cost of entrance, lack of interest or lack of promotion etc?
I don't accept that nothing can be done about it.


Why not build 2-3 thousand seater stadium then, state of the art, if that's the goal. The question is, is it possible to get more bums on seats for county finals. The answer is of course. How do you do it?

Where you gonna park in Carriganore when the car park is full?

HatchetMan7

914 wrote: »

Imagine how the people of castletownbeer or skibbereen in cork must feel when they have to travel to PUC!

This is the same for every county. Waterford is a small county and has two venues for club and county teams. Walsh Park will be 16k and faher field will be 10k. So it won't be a case that people will always be required to drive and hour to Walsh Park.

Whats the difference in driving an hour to walsh park as opposed to driving to thurles/limerick or cork for our "Home" games!

You have not read my post.
I have no problem in travelling long distances, my point was why is someone complaining about having to travel a few miles outside the city if a stadium was built in Carriganore. Is that a good reason not to build there?

Deiseen

HatchetMan7 wrote: »

You have not read my post.
I have no problem in travelling long distances, my point was why is someone complaining about having to travel a few miles outside the city if a stadium was built in Carrigmore. Is that a good reason not to build there?

I'm not complaining about having to travel 4 miles, sure us city folk have to travel to Dungarven a lot too and I don't mind that...

HatchetMan7

Deiseen wrote: »

Where you gonna park in Carriganore when the car park is full?

For big games, rent or lease land. Are you telling me there is no solution?

Deiseen

HatchetMan7 wrote: »

For big games, rent or lease land. Are you telling me there is no solution?

I could say the exact same thing to you about Walsh Park...

Christy Browne

HatchetMan7 wrote: »

Why are we only getting a couple of thousand at county finals?
Is it the venues, the cost of entrance, lack of interest or lack of promotion etc?
I don't accept that nothing can be done about it.


Why not build 2-3 thousand seater stadium then, state of the art, if that's the goal. The question is, is it possible to get more bums on seats for county finals. The answer is of course. How do you do it?

Without sugar coating it, the majority of people just don’t give a toss about the club games in Waterford. Ballygunner winning it out handily every year probably doesn’t help.

A 20,000 seater stadium that would be full twice a year until they decide to change the championship structures again in a few years time would be absolute madness.

HatchetMan7

Deiseen wrote: »

I could say the exact same thing to you about Walsh Park...

Very few options at Walsh Park. What would I know anyway, im sure that by 2020 we'll have top class facilities, top class.

HatchetMan7

Christy Browne wrote: »

Without sugar coating it, the majority of people just don’t give a toss about the club games in Waterford. Ballygunner winning it out handily every year probably doesn’t help.

A 20,000 seater stadium that would be full twice a year until they decide to change the championship structures again in a few years time would be absolute madness.

So we're going to accept that then, no solutions.

Deiseen

HatchetMan7 wrote: »

Very few options at Walsh Park. What would I know anyway, im sure that by 2020 we'll have top class facilities, top class.

First of all... You could park in town. In fact they are building a new carpark 15 mins walk from Walsh Park.

Then there's the clubs in the area. All within 20 mins walk to Walsh Park (many within 10 mins) and wouldn't it be nice for the clubs to generate a few euro by setting themselves up as car parks..

Christy Browne

HatchetMan7 wrote: »

So we're going to accept that then, no solutions.

Well building a massive stadium out in the middle of nowhere with infinite car parking space for the tens of thousands of people cramming in to see Roanmore take on Passage is hardly going to solve anything.

HatchetMan7

Walsh Park then is the long term future.

Deiseen

HatchetMan7 wrote: »

Walsh Park then is the long term future.

Listen, no one loves Walsh Park.

If you talk to me about genuine, real issues, then you and I will agree 100%.

Likewise I can see the good points of Carriganore but also some major issues.

What you seem to be failing to also realise is that Carriganore is not the perfect utopian solution that everyone seems to be claiming it to be. Additionally, there are some points being raised against Walsh Park which are completely and utterly bogus.

HatchetMan7

Christy Browne wrote: »

Well building a massive stadium out in the middle of nowhere with infinite car parking space for the tens of thousands of people cramming in to see Roanmore take on Passage is hardly going to solve anything.

Massive, no. 20,000 with room to expand. Also it's hardly in the middle of nowhere.

HatchetMan7

Deiseen wrote: »

Listen, no one loves Walsh Park.

If you talk to me about genuine, real issues, then you and I will agree 100%.

Likewise I can see the good points of Carriganore but also some major issues.

What you seem to be failing to also realise is that Carriganore is not the perfect utopian solution that everyone seems to be claiming it to be. Additionally, there are some points being raised against Walsh Park which are completely and utterly bogus.

I know there's no perfect solution, that (near) perfect solution passed 20 years ago.
I'm sick of throwing money at 2 "stadiums".

Deiseen

HatchetMan7 wrote: »

Massive, no. 20,000 with room to expand. Also it's hardly in the middle of nowhere.

Its the middle of nowhere.

Nearest pub is 30 minutes walk. Nearest hotel is 25 minutes walk. Nearest shop, 20 minutes. And then after all these abundant amenities there is literally nothing unless you go to town!

Its literally the middle of nowhere.

HatchetMan7

Deiseen wrote: »

Its the middle of nowhere.

Nearest pub is 30 minutes walk. Nearest hotel is 25 minutes walk. Nearest shop, 20 minutes. And then after all these abundant amenities there is literally nothing unless you go to town!

Its literally the middle of nowhere.

Over time a city would grow out around a stadium.

HatchetMan7

It seems like very few agree with me so I'll give it a rest. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Deiseen

HatchetMan7 wrote: »

It seems like very few agree with me so I'll give it a rest. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

If you wanna talk about a 3 sided development, only 16,000 cap, no concerts, no floodlights etc etc then lets go for it.

But don't try to tell me that Carriganore isnt in the middle of nowhere.

HatchetMan7

Deiseen wrote: »

If you wanna talk about a 3 sided development, only 16,000 cap, no concerts, no floodlights etc etc then lets go for it.

But don't try to tell me that Carriganore isnt in the middle of nowhere.

Your talking about another quick fix. I'm talking long term, a city grows outwards.

redlead

I don't think Walsh Park is the right decision, it will be mayhem for championship games. My main concern is around the competence of the county board to develop any stadium no matter where it is though. You just know that when it's done that Walsh Park will still be an embarrassing sh!thole that would make Heysel seem like state of the art. Bare in mind that this is a CB that thinks that a concrete bank and actual seats in a stand are an unnecessary extravagance.

whiteandblue

redlead wrote: »

I don't think Walsh Park is the right decision, it will be mayhem for championship games. My main concern is around the competence of the county board to develop any stadium no matter where it is though. You just know that when it's done that Walsh Park will still be an embarrassing sh!thole that would make Heysel seem like state of the art. Bare in mind that this is a CB that thinks that a concrete bank and actual seats in a stand are an unnecessary extravagance.

They couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery, never mind a stadium

Deiseen

HatchetMan7 wrote: »

Your talking about another quick fix. I'm talking long term, a city grows outwards.

I'm taking about the only viable option currently available.

The only thing that will go around Carriganore is houses and in which case, it will have all the current access issues of Walsh Park and absolutely none of the amenities of a city centre.

HatchetMan7

Deiseen wrote: »

I'm taking about the only viable option currently available.

The only thing that will go around Carriganore is houses and in which case, it will have all the current access issues of Walsh Park and absolutely none of the amenities of a city centre.

Houses bring amenities. Long-term.