Waterford GAA thread - mod warning post #1 and #51

thesaturdayman

DiscoStew wrote: »

Most of the panel are under 30, how many of the panel do you reckon he knew before they were even 5 years of age? He has known the majority of the panel for the past 15+ years? The minor / u21 winners that are on the panel are still under 23, so you reckon he’s been involved with those lads since the age of 8?
Serious exaggeration there I’m afraid!

In what other county does the outgoing manager offer a number of potential successors? The only case I can think of that is any way close is Tipperary where a selector from the previous regime has been promoted twice, once with it being announced the year before he actually took over. Selectors being promoted isn’t totally unusual, but for a manager to pick a list of candidates who’ve had no involvement in his regime is utterly bizarre, if indeed this has occurred.

The whole situation is certainly a big mess, that much we can agree on!

Serious exaggeration there I’m afraid!

- 8 of the starting 15 in last years all Ireland final & 7 of the starting 15 vs cork this year in champ, all of whom he would have had from 12 years of age in DLS college. Most of those are aged 27 now ,so 27-12 = 15 years. 8/15 is in excess of 50% of the starting team! of those 8 players - 6 or so all star nominees last year!

In what other county does the outgoing manager offer a number of potential successors? The only case I can think of that is any way close is Tipperary where a selector from the previous regime has been promoted twice, once with it being announced the year before he actually took over. Selectors being promoted isn’t totally unusual, but for a manager to pick a list of candidates who’ve had no involvement in his regime is utterly bizarre, if indeed this has occurred.

- this is actually common place in other sports, soccer, American football, horse racing. Excuse Derek for thinking differently and trying something new. To be fair our rich history of all Ireland success is a by product of the outstanding selection process we have in this county!

Stopitwillya

Our county board really are a shambles. Sean Power should have been appointed weeks ago. When is Pat Flynn's term as secretary up?

DiscoStew

thesaturdayman wrote: »

Serious exaggeration there I’m afraid!

- 8 of the starting 15 in last years all Ireland final & 7 of the starting 15 vs cork this year in champ, all of whom he would have had from 12 years of age in DLS college. Most of those are aged 27 now ,so 27-12 = 15 years. 8/15 is in excess of 50% of the starting team! of those 8 players - 6 or so all star nominees last year!

In what other county does the outgoing manager offer a number of potential successors? The only case I can think of that is any way close is Tipperary where a selector from the previous regime has been promoted twice, once with it being announced the year before he actually took over. Selectors being promoted isn’t totally unusual, but for a manager to pick a list of candidates who’ve had no involvement in his regime is utterly bizarre, if indeed this has occurred.

- this is actually common place in other sports, soccer, American football, horse racing. Excuse Derek for thinking differently and trying something new. To be fair our rich history of all Ireland success is a by product of the outstanding selection process we have in this county!

Ah so you meant team, not panel. That would clear up confusion. Because he certainly hasn’t been involved with the “majority” of the panel for 15+ years as stated in your original post.
Who are the players he has been involved with for 25+ years can you tell me?

To be fair, did Galway need to go down the route of their former manager picking a successor to win the All Ireland for the first time in a long time? Nope! He was ushered out the door and the new man was brought in.
Look at how well Moyes faired our after being handpicked by Ferguson himself if you want to look at an example from soccer!
When you’re gone you need to be totally gone. Players need to move on from him and he needs to move on now, it’s over.

Are the county board covering themselves in glory with this? Christ no! But there needs to be a clean break to allow a new manager have a cut off it, whoever that may be.

thesaturdayman

excuse my poetic licence, in some instances it wasn't 25 years, but 20, Kevin Moran point in case.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/final-test-for-master-mcgrath-26521717.html

Similarly, Alex Ferguson - Moyes - yep, although Moyes went onto be a disaster at Sunderland, sociaded & less so at West Ham. So maybe it was that Moyes was a bad manager as opposed to Alex Ferguson's judgement?

In other areas - Tony McCoy / Barry Geraghty, Steve Jobs / Tim Cook, countless others.

Re Galway - there is precedent here, Anthony Cunningham, did it deliver them an all Ireland? who knows, but it certainly helped get them to where they are. Similarly Offaly in 90s, Cork in 00s, there are plenty examples.

Waterford players got rid of Justin in 2008 (a decision was about 12-24 months too late), the replacement (Davy) was dumped in on top of the set up with zero consideration or consultation with the players, how did it work out? Average I would say on the pitch, a disaster off of it, it broke us and set clubs in the county back years with levies.

If the mgmt team did send a list in, good on them, it was forward thinking and planning on their side. I don't know where it was said they did, but succession planning is of critical importance in any serious role in sport, business or otherwise.

If the county board are telling fibs that they never got such a list, that is a bigger issue for me, adds further fuel to the fire of the levels of gross incompetence at the wheel of Waterford GAA.

Mastermcgrath

Stopitwillya wrote: »

Our county board really are a shambles. Sean Power should have been appointed weeks ago. When is Pat Flynn's term as secretary up?

Relax. You have no idea about what is actually going on behind the scenes, so for that reason calling everything a shambles and calling for co secretary’s head? It’s amazing the amount of people who were crowing about how soon Pat Ryan was being ‘appointed’ now all of a sudden everyone is saying it’s a disaster we have no manager.This years chanpionship isn’t even over yet. Many other counties haven’t even reviewed their managers tenure.

killbillvol2

Stopitwillya wrote: »

When is Pat Flynn's term as secretary up?

I don't know. You could probably find out at your next club meeting. You are actively involved in your club?

You could volunteer for the job yourself. I'd say you'd be great at it. :rolleyes:

Stopitwillya

killbillvol2 wrote: »

I don't know. You could probably find out at your next club meeting. You are actively involved in your club?

You could volunteer for the job yourself. I'd say you'd be great at it. :rolleyes:

Yes and I have played and coached with the club for decades now.

It's not a voluntary job. It's a paid position and at over 50k per year.

Stopitwillya

Mastermcgrath wrote: »

It’s amazing the amount of people who were crowing about how soon Pat Ryan was being ‘appointed’ now all of a sudden everyone is saying it’s a disaster we have no manager.

I didn't read any posts crowing about how soon Pat Ryan was being appointed. Please enlighten me. Sure the panel has stayed the same for the last few years. Its gone stale. No need to go to club games to see if their are new players who might change things up a bit next year.

upthedeise16

cul beag wrote: »

PTH2009 wrote: »

‪Senior Hurling Championship Play-Offs ‬

‪Sat 11th August‬

‪•Tallow v Ballyduff Upper ‬
‪In Lismore ‬
‪@ 6:30pm‬

‪Sun 12th Aug‬ust

‪•Mount Sion v An Rinn
‪In Fraher Field ‬
‪@ 2pm ‬

‪•Roanmore v Fourmilewater ‬
‪In Fraher Field ‬
‪@ 3:30pm‬

‪•Dungarvan v Lismore ‬
‪In Fraher Field‬
‪@ 7pm‬

Afaik 4 winners into the QFs to join DLS, Ballygunner, Passage and Abbeyside and 4 losers into the relagation playoffs (2 semis and a final)

Wins for Tallow Mt. Sion, Roanmore and Dungarvan I would think. Should be interesting if there are any strangers in the crowd at these games!

I’m going to go with Tallow to beat Ballyduff, looked decent against Fourmile and Ballyduff have been very poor so far this year but if Mikey Kearney is back, they will be more competitive.
Saw An Rinn against Abbeyside and they were piss poor. Depend a lot on Donie Breatnach as seen in last years intermediate. Saying that, I don’t see Mount Sion going any further than a quarter final.
Roanmore had a good victory last week over Abbeyside in the league semi final and seem a very organized outfit with good youngsters coming through. Expect them to come through this test.
Dungarvan-Lismore is undoubtably the tie of the round.
Lismore were brilliant last year and gave Ballygunner their biggest test but haven’t hit those heights this year. Even with Paddy Curran, Dungarvan have been poor this year, particularly in losing to Fourmile. Without Curran, I give Lismore the edge to come this one and Dungarvan to be out of the hurling and football at this early stage.

lim4ev

puzl wrote: »

Yeah, we beat both Tipp and Limerick in minor, both of which contested the munster final. It wasn't a stellar year, but there was plenty of talent and spirit on display.

Secondly, given how strong the Cork U21 team was in PuC that day, it was no surprise that they won, what surprised me was how well we played and, again, the notable talent that was on display.

Granted no superstar jumped out on any of the matches, but a lot of very good potential in there.

Given how young many of our current senior panel are, all we need really is a couple of new faces each year for the next 2-3 years to keep the squad developing.

From the outside looking in i saw limerick in 3 of the 4 matches we played in the minors and without question the best team we played was Waterford now to be honest it was far from a vintage limerick minor team but still they beat tipp cork and clare then well beaten by galway and demolished by kk i thought there was fine hurlers there plus yer 21s performance v cork tells me there's plenty to work with they may not be well known but talent is talent

Mastermcgrath

Stopitwillya wrote: »

I didn't read any posts crowing about how soon Pat Ryan was being appointed. Please enlighten me. Sure the panel has stayed the same for the last few years. Its gone stale. No need to go to club games to see if their are new players who might change things up a bit next year.

I didn’t say you did but there were plenty of people giving out about it on here. My point is people are quick to jump all over what ever rumour is going around and pass judgement without knowing the actual facts.

PTH2009

Anyway all seems fairly quite around

Maybe work going on behind the scenes but knowing this CB it would not surprise me if **** all is being done and we get the general that will do appointment

Still think Fergal Hartley could get it if he wants it. Good history with the county, was part of Dereks backroom team last season and has Ballygunner playing very well

Gavlor

PTH2009 wrote: »

Anyway all seems fairly quite around

Maybe work going on behind the scenes but knowing this CB it would not surprise me if **** all is being done and we get the general that will do appointment

Still think Fergal Hartley could get it if he wants it. Good history with the county, was part of Dereks backroom team last season and has Ballygunner playing very well

I’d have ballygunner playing well with the pick he has compared to any other club

Stopitwillya

Mastermcgrath wrote: »

I didn’t say you did but there were plenty of people giving out about it on here.

Your making up stuff again.

hurler on de ditch

Gavlor wrote: »

PTH2009 wrote: »

Anyway all seems fairly quite around

Maybe work going on behind the scenes but knowing this CB it would not surprise me if **** all is being done and we get the general that will do appointment

Still think Fergal Hartley could get it if he wants it. Good history with the county, was part of Dereks backroom team last season and has Ballygunner playing very well

I’d have ballygunner playing well with the pick he has compared to any other club

Stevie Wonder , could get Ballygunner to play well, Hartley is not the man for the job ,IMO, Sean Power all day long for me , it should be an easy decision ,don't complicate it, anyone that was associated with Mc Grath,s brand of hurling should be kept as far away as possible

Mulbert

hurler on de ditch wrote: »

Stevie Wonder , could get Ballygunner to play well, Hartley is not the man for the job ,IMO, Sean Power all day long for me , it should be an easy decision ,don't complicate it, anyone that was associated with Mc Grath,s brand of hurling should be kept as far away as possible

Stevie Wonder couldn't see a piano.

Deisedozzer

PTH2009 wrote: »

Anyway all seems fairly quite around

Maybe work going on behind the scenes but knowing this CB it would not surprise me if **** all is being done and we get the general that will do appointment

Still think Fergal Hartley could get it if he wants it. Good history with the county, was part of Dereks backroom team last season and has Ballygunner playing very well

Fergal Hartley failed miserably in his involvement with management of County teams and in my view he is the worst possible appointment of all. We need a clean break from anything connected to Derek. We can wave goodbye to any chances of success if he gets the job and I believe a number of players would leave the panel if he does. In my view we will be back to rank 5 out of 5 In Munster with him in charge.

Ballygunner are so far ahead of every team in the County that anything but a County title is a failure with the players they have currently.

PTH2009

Deisedozzer wrote: »

Fergal Hartley failed miserably in his involvement with management of County teams and in my view he is the worst possible appointment of all. We need a clean break from anything connected to Derek. We can wave goodbye to any chances of success if he gets the job and I believe a number of players would leave the panel if he does. In my view we will be back to rank 5 out of 5 In Munster with him in charge.

Ballygunner are so far ahead of every team in the County that anything but a County title is a failure with the players they have currently.

Kind of odd after Pat Ryan refused the job that there has been little mention of who will take over now. Wish they would appoint someone so they can start planning the 2018 championship will be over next weekend

PTH2009

Results

Ballyduff Upper 1-27 (30)- Tallow 3-22(31)
Mount Sion 0-21- An Rinn 2-13 (19)
Roanmore 1-22 (25)- Fourmilewarwr 3-15 (24) AET

Dungarvan vs Lismore starts at 7pm

PTH2009

https://twitter.com/WaterfordGAA/status/1028722366816444416?s=19

Got a draw at 8/1

puzl

PTH2009 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/WaterfordGAA/status/1028722366816444416?s=19

Got a draw at 8/1

Dungarvan won. Two goals in less than a minute put them 5 points up. Won by three in the end.

PTH2009

Dungarvan 2-23 (29)- Lismore 2-20 (26)

all games seem like they were very close and hopefully we see some close games for the rest of championship

Pot 1- Balllygunner, De La Salle, Passage and Abbeyside
Pot 2- Mount Sion, Dungarvan, Tallow and Roanmore

Relagation- Lismore,Ballyduff Lower, An Rinn and Fourmilewater

not sure when the draw is for the QFs but there due to be played on the weekend of 24/25/26 Aug

Any interesting spectators at the games ??

KevIRL

Quarter Finals De La Salle v Mount Sion Passage v Dungarvan Ballygunner v Roanmore Abbeyside v Tallow.

Pogue eile

PTH2009 wrote: »

Kind of odd after Pat Ryan refused the job that there has been little mention of who will take over now. Wish they would appoint someone so they can start planning the 2018 championship will be over next weekend

Making a 'snap' or 'panic' appointment would be a far bigger mistake, biggest decision/appointment that the Waterford County Board have ever made.

PTH2009

KevIRL wrote: »

Quarter Finals De La Salle v Mount Sion Passage v Dungarvan Ballygunner v Roanmore Abbeyside v Tallow.

pick of the rounds- DLS vs Mount sion (could be a very firy game), Passage vs Dungarvan and Abbeyside vs Tallow will be close games. You would expect Ballygunner to beat Roanmore well but ya never knw

KevIRL

Sat Aug 25th
•@AbbeyCourtyGaa v @TallowGAA
in Fraher Field
at 7pm

Sun Aug 26th
•@DeLaSalleGAA1 v @Mount
in Walsh Park
at 1pm

•@ballygunnerHc v @roanmoreclg
in Walsh Park
at 4.30pm

•@PassageHurling v @clgdungarvan
in Walsh Park
at 6pm

KevIRL

Relegation playoffs the previous night in Dungarvan

Mastermcgrath

Stopitwillya wrote: »

Your making up stuff again.

Your trolling again

PTH2009

One year ago today

https://youtu.be/MK-_nNqKvoQ

One of the great days in Waterford Hurling history

cul beag

So by the looks of things Patsy Fanning and Sean Power the only locals interested in the job. Both Mt Sion men with both having positives and negatives attached to their CV’s. Dan and Eoin Murphy still floating around with rumours of Donal Og on their ticket and Derek working in the background! It’s like a soap opera at this stage!