Waterford GAA thread - mod warning post #1 and #51

hardybuck

TheScoringGoal wrote: »

Every other county would put on both semi finals at the same venue as a double header. There's no logical reason why it won't happen with us. But they'll find an illogical one.

While I'd prefer a double header, they understand that a lot of people down the west will tip into Dungarvan but won't go as far as Waterford.

The most likely final involves two city sides playing in a city venue, and that's going to turn off a lot of the western crowd also - so best to give them one last game down there to keep them happy.

TheScoringGoal

hardybuck wrote: »

While I'd prefer a double header, they understand that a lot of people down the west will tip into Dungarvan but won't go as far as Waterford.

The most likely final involves two city sides playing in a city venue, and that's going to turn off a lot of the western crowd also - so best to give them one last game down there to keep them happy.

In my view a perfect example of an illogical argument. I note you haven't stated you agree with it nor that you wouldn't travel yourself so I'm not having a dig at you. But to facilitate "fans" who wouldn't bother going to Walsh Park (where the surface is much better at the moment) is ludicrous. There are three teams from the city or just beside it and a team from Dungarvan. The only logical venue is Walsh Park

hardybuck

TheScoringGoal wrote: »

In my view a perfect example of an illogical argument. I note you haven't stated you agree with it nor that you wouldn't travel yourself so I'm not having a dig at you. But to facilitate "fans" who wouldn't bother going to Walsh Park (where the surface is much better at the moment) is ludicrous. There are three teams from the city or just beside it and a team from Dungarvan. The only logical venue is Walsh Park

Nobody is making an argument - except you it appears?

TheScoringGoal

hardybuck wrote: »

Nobody is making an argument - except you it appears?

Your post was either your own viewpoint or else you were suggesting it was a viewpoint of the county board, it's not clear which. However it was a dissenting viewpoint from what I had expressed which qualifies as an argument.

hardybuck

TheScoringGoal wrote: »

Your post was either your own viewpoint or else you were suggesting it was a viewpoint of the county board, it's not clear which. However it was a dissenting viewpoint from what I had expressed which qualifies as an argument.

You should really chill out and take the confrontational language somewhere else.

thesaturdayman

mountgomery burns wrote: »

On the betting suspended thing, what was the score at that point? They don't offer handicap markets for those games so if it was over 10 points in the difference they might have just taken down the market. Would doubt they'd be taking much money on that game anyway

Bookies dont do in play betting on club games, unless its a club final etc.

The betting was suspended before the ball was thrown in. Before someone says ah sure they wouldnt take 50 cent on that, boyles, paddy power and others that priced the market would collectively stand any eventuality to about 3-4000 quid.

As Clonea / FMW were 5/6 the pair you can be sure about 3000-4000 quid went on Clonea.

thesaturdayman

thesultan wrote: »

This is a lie. I know someone who got a cheque a few days later..

what part is the lie?

A recent winner i was told had issues with the cheque, if i am being lied to fair enough, word for word below is i was told.

Person told not lodge or cash cheque for 5-6 weeks as money was not there, it was lodged then i believe not long later and it bounced.

What happened thereafter i cannot confirm.

thesaturdayman

I appreciate it is the rumour mill and i also appreciate it is waterford with that in mind ill ask anyways;

Did anyone hear / is there any substance or truth in the story that there were a few or maybe even one prominent business people prepared to put proper finance in place for a mgmt team, (i heard separately an interview candidate was asked to raise 100k for team as part of the gig also) and as part of the process had asked to see the county boards books by their own company accountant.

The request was declined by the board and the funding is now not in place.

Again iv put the above provisos in place as i appreciate its Waterford, by the same token it isnt impossible to happen given the fact it is Waterford!

thesaturdayman

Stopitwillya wrote: »

thesaturdayman wrote: »

Excellent post.
All correct and we need young people like yourself to run for positions and to try change things.
More importantly the next county secretary is hopefully not just one of the boys but someone with not just getting the job because they have held lots of other GAA positions before but someone who has experience of successfully leading a professional organisation, a record of achieving results and someone with lots of new ideas and vision.

there is no next county secretary. We have the one we have until he retires. 15 years at least. Unless he is sacked!

RichardBzero

thesaturdayman wrote: »

Bookies dont do in play betting on club games, unless its a club final etc.

The betting was suspended before the ball was thrown in. Before someone says ah sure they wouldnt take 50 cent on that, boyles, paddy power and others that priced the market would collectively stand any eventuality to about 3-4000 quid.



As Clonea / FMW were 5/6 the pair you can be sure about 3000-4000 quid went on Clonea.

There was in play betting on the ballygunner - passage game for the whole game

thesaturdayman

RichardBzero wrote: »

There was in play betting on the ballygunner - passage game for the whole game

thats a first on me then tbh, iv not come across that at all for a q final. what bookie powers?

RichardBzero

thesaturdayman wrote: »

thats a first on me then tbh, iv not come across that at all for a q final. what bookie powers?

Yeah it wasn’t powers. I only know as I happened to be looking at gaa prices at half time in the game while I was down there and came across it. I would have thought the exact same that there wouldn’t be in play betting on club games.

RichardBzero

RichardBzero wrote: »

Yeah it wasn’t powers. I only know as I happened to be looking at gaa prices at half time in the game while I was down there and came across it. I would have thought the exact same that there wouldn’t be in play betting on club games.

Apologies, it was powers that should read.

mountgomery burns

DeiseDawg wrote: »

Ballygunner play Dungarvan. Mount Sion play de la salle in the semis.
Draw made after quarter-finals finished last night.

Intermediate he was asking about I believe

mountgomery burns

thesaturdayman wrote: »

Bookies dont do in play betting on club games, unless its a club final etc.

The betting was suspended before the ball was thrown in. Before someone says ah sure they wouldnt take 50 cent on that, boyles, paddy power and others that priced the market would collectively stand any eventuality to about 3-4000 quid.

As Clonea / FMW were 5/6 the pair you can be sure about 3000-4000 quid went on Clonea.

You could be right on the second point, but since you were wrong on the first point I'd say it's possible that's not correct either.

But to add to that, who said the money went on Clonea and not FMW? What was so untoward about this bet anyway? Just think the initial claim would want to be backed by something more than speculation or else it has no place being made in the first place.

Like a lot of what's posted on this page...

emergingstar

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Intermediate he was asking about I believe

Ballygunner v Portlaw

Dunhill v Ballyduff

thesaturdayman

mountgomery burns wrote: »

You could be right on the second point, but since you were wrong on the first point I'd say it's possible that's not correct either.

But to add to that, who said the money went on Clonea and not FMW? What was so untoward about this bet anyway? Just think the initial claim would want to be backed by something more than speculation or else it has no place being made in the first place.

Like a lot of what's posted on this page...

Clonea were 5/6 earlier in week as was looking at prices, at one stage before throw on they were about 2/5 so would indicate all the money was going on them.

News must have broken that Jamie Barron was out with an injured ankle

JesusRef

thesaturdayman wrote: »

News must have broken that Jamie Barron was out with an injured ankle

So how is it a new low for Waterford GAA, another poster I know said this but, with Barron ruled out it would easily explain money going on Clonea and the bookies reacting?

thesaturdayman

Gardner wrote: »

Paddypower suspending betting on the fourmilewater clonea match must be a new low for Waterford hurling

I didnt say it was a new low. However i agree that it is a shocking poor reflection.

If someone on here thinks that betting being suspended on games here before they even take place can be construed as a positive or something that is acceptable.

Then the very integrity of Gaelic games in the county is questionable.

It happened years ago with Eoin Kelly 1st goal vs. Roanmore in SHC and as recently as a few weeks ago with manager betting suspended on Queally in particular. Similarly last year Pat ryan was backed as if defeat was out of the question.

People in the know are either involved - conflict of interest or are leaking information for others profit - also a conflict of interest or insider trading as it would be known.

In lay mans terms its murky, unprofessional and a very very bad image for games in the county.

mountgomery burns

Big difference between betting on the result of a match and betting on who the next manager will be. Barron was injured last week as well so wasn't exactly a last minute secret.

upthedeise16

JesusRef wrote: »

So how is it a new low for Waterford GAA, another poster I know said this but, with Barron ruled out it would easily explain money going on Clonea and the bookies reacting?

I agree, Why would odds changing on a match be a low? Odds change on every sport based on what players are playing or missing. If Barca were missing Messi, I’m sure their odds would lengthen in a match

tommylad1212

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Will the east and west intermediate semi finals be on the same weekend? They might double those up with senior games instead

Wont be doubled up as eastern board will get the gate for the inter games ,and county board will get gate for senior games

Motivator

mountgomery burns wrote: »

You could be right on the second point, but since you were wrong on the first point I'd say it's possible that's not correct either.

But to add to that, who said the money went on Clonea and not FMW? What was so untoward about this bet anyway? Just think the initial claim would want to be backed by something more than speculation or else it has no place being made in the first place.

Like a lot of what's posted on this page...

FMW attracted all the money in that match, mainly because Jamie Barron was meant to be playing and the bookies had apparently priced it up wrong assuming he wasn’t. They were 11/4 earlier in the week last week I think and by Friday evening they were as short as 4/6. Saturdayman is correct, for a senior hurling 1/4 final Powers would probably lay a couple of grand before calling it a day. Nothing untoward went on, it was a simple case of people believing the layers priced the game up wrong and wanted to get stuck in based on this.

mountgomery burns

Motivator wrote: »

FMW attracted all the money in that match, mainly because Jamie Barron was meant to be playing and the bookies had apparently priced it up wrong assuming he wasn’t. They were 11/4 earlier in the week last week I think and by Friday evening they were as short as 4/6. Saturdayman is correct, for a senior hurling 1/4 final Powers would probably lay a couple of grand before calling it a day. Nothing untoward went on, it was a simple case of people believing the layers priced the game up wrong and wanted to get stuck in based on this.

Thank you, I'm glad someone clarified that. One conspiracy theory I was not going to entertain

Stopitwillya

thesaturdayman wrote: »

Stopitwillya wrote: »

thesaturdayman wrote: »

Excellent post.
All correct and we need young people like yourself to run for positions and to try change things.
More importantly the next county secretary is hopefully not just one of the boys but someone with not just getting the job because they have held lots of other GAA positions before but someone who has experience of successfully leading a professional organisation, a record of achieving results and someone with lots of new ideas and vision.

there is no next county secretary. We have the one we have until he retires. 15 years at least. Unless he is sacked!

I thought the present county secretary's position is up at the end of next year and will be open for candidates to apply for the job.
If Pat Flynn has the job until he retires then that is a big problem.

thesaturdayman

Stopitwillya wrote: »

thesaturdayman wrote: »

I thought the present county secretary's position is up at the end of next year and will be open for candidates to apply for the job.
If Pat Flynn has the job until he retires then that is a big problem.

He has it for life afaik

Any news on a manager?
Who is actually going for it and putting themselves forward?

Lingoweet913

thesaturdayman wrote: »

Stopitwillya wrote: »

He has it for life afaik

5 year term. Can seek to go again, not sure if it's contested or not in that case.

PTH2009

Jjjjjjjjbarry wrote: »

Any news on a manager?
Who is actually going for it and putting themselves forward?

Fairly quite around which I dont knw is a good or bad thing

Peter Quelly will prob finish up with Abbeyside and could get the nod for the job

killbillvol2

PTH2009 wrote: »

Fairly quite around which I dont knw is a good or bad thing

Peter Quelly will prob finish up with Abbeyside and could get the nod for the job

Well given your track record with inside scoops here we can probably rule him out.