Irish birth rate continues to fall

Tigerandahalf

I was going to post this elsewhere but you need to get access to certain forums.

I see rte are reporting that the birth rate has declined again - since 2007 there has been a fall from 16.1 births to 12.9 per 1,000 of population. That is close to a 20% decline.

The government had predicted I think a 1 million increase in population by 2040 so one wonders will this decline continue.

With the accommodation crisis and women having children later plus the cost of childcare you get the feeling this decline will continue.

With abortion now legal here too (rightly so) you would think this would also drag the figure lower into the future.

I guess we are still pretty good. I think Portugal and Spain are somewhere around 8/9 per 1,000.

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http://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0530/967066-birthrate/[/url]

Atlantic Dawn

2 words, housing crisis.

2 more words, pensions timebomb.

Lollipops23

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

2 more words, pensions timebomb.

Which is why most people I know have gotten themselves a private pension.

Hector Savage

I find that extremely hard to believe, all I see is couples with 3,4,5,6 + kids every time I go home.

Dr Brown

Add in abortion on demand and you will see our birth rate fall by another 20%.

silverharp

Hector Savage wrote: »

I find that extremely hard to believe, all I see is couples with 3,4,5,6 + kids every time I go home.

what dodgy part of the country do you live in? :pac: , also less people are having kids and more people are waiting longer so you wouldn't notice that

amcalester

Dr Brown wrote: »

Add in abortion on demand and you will see our birth rate fall by another 20%.

No need to worry, the impending influx of Middle Easterns, Africans and Asians will make up the shortfall.

Hector Savage

My 2000th post is disappointing ...

Pixel Eater

When calculating for the future you would also have to factor in inward migration, both Irish and foreign. With the world as a whole over populated maybe a smaller increasing population isn't such a bad thing; we have a potentially a massive diaspora to delve into if needs be.

But if the Government was concerned then they could make having children more attractive. While child benefit is generous, childcare seems to be prohibitively expensive.

Donald Trump

Irish ladies, stop stuffing the faces and hit the gym


Too many good looking fordeners are stealing your mickey-wielders

Skatedude

People used to work, then buy a home and settle down to have a family. Now they are struggling to find anywhere they can afford to live, never mind the expense of raising a family.

Donald Trump

Hector Savage wrote: »

My 2000th post is disappointing ...

Start as you mean to continue as they do say

facehugger99

Hector Savage wrote: »

I find that extremely hard to believe, all I see is couples with 3,4,5,6 + kids every time I go home.

As far as I understand, they used more than your personal experiences when compiling the statistics.

Roger_007

The birth rate is falling in most countries in the 'developed' world. Most women are delaying having their first child until they are well into their thirties. I don't think that it's a question of affordability. If it was then poorer people would have less children. But it's actually the other way round.
It seems that the more affluent a society becomes, the less children they have.

Pyr0

Having kids is the last thing on my mind, it's hard enough to find somewhere reasonably priced to live let alone bringing 1, 2 or even 3 kids into the equation.

Tigerandahalf

Interesting article on Portugal - granted it is 4 years ago. It seems their problems were already in train before the recession.

Housing and secure jobs are definitely a big issue. But I guess a lot of women no longer want to be tied down by a big family which is understandable.

You see a lot of well to do kids in Spain who are an only child. Both parents tend to be in well paid time demanding positions.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/02/portugal-low-birthrate-eurozone-crisis

theyoungchap

There is a fall in the number of children had by educated, working people paying their way.

This is not the case across our society.......

Harry Palmr

Property crisis will have an effect here, the longer you're in a pokey rental and paying through your nose for it the longer you'll put off having children and so in a panic you have a late age single child rather than the two or three of more harmonious circumstances.

Fr_Dougal

Pensions time-bomb, yeah that’s something that’s trotted out quite often. Would be interesting to see where all these kids are going to actually find jobs, automation will do away with a hell of a lot of their jobs.

Unemployed people don’t contribute to pensions, they’ll be a drain on society.

H3llR4iser

This is a normal, verifiable trend not just in Ireland, but anywhere in the developed and developing world: as education, health and economic conditions improve, people have less children.

http://www.unesco.org/education/tlsf/mods/theme_c/popups/mod13t01s005.html

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Birth rate 12.9
Death rate 6.4

We're doing fine.

chrissb8

Because there's so much to consider before having a kid. A good depth of savings after buying a house for one. Then there's getting in a position in a career in which you're making enough money to do this kind of saving. There is not much incentive to have a child when one has to worry about themselves first.

Alun

H3llR4iser wrote: »

This is a normal, verifiable trend not just in Ireland, but anywhere in the developed and developing world: as education, health and economic conditions improve, people have less fewer children.

http://www.unesco.org/education/tlsf/mods/theme_c/popups/mod13t01s005.html

FYP

Bob Harris

Chanel Few Coat wrote: »

Birth rate 12.9
Death rate 6.4

We're doing fine.

I thought the death rate would be 100%.

wakka12

Hector Savage wrote: »

I find that extremely hard to believe, all I see is couples with 3,4,5,6 + kids every time I go home.

Well where do you live? I see so few families with over 4+ children that youd remark on it when you see it. The majority of couples I know has 2 children and a good proportion have 3, but plenty of people unmarried or just dont want children too that I know and then its very easy to see how that average of 2-3 per couple who have children is brought down to well below 2.0 (replacement level)average by the couples who dont have kids.

Atlantic Dawn

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

2 words, housing crisis.

2 more words, pensions timebomb.

1 more word: childcare.

eeguy

Men and women in get married later.
They buy houses later
They start families later.
Family sizes are smaller.
Contraception use is near universal.
Online porn use has skyrocketed.
Teen pregnancies have dropped.
Erecipe dysfunction in men is also through the roof.

Victor

Population is still growing strongly.

TheValeyard

kneemos

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Pensions time-bomb, yeah that’s something that’s trotted out quite often. Would be interesting to see where all these kids are going to actually find jobs, automation will do away with a hell of a lot of their jobs.

Unemployed people don’t contribute to pensions, they’ll be a drain on society.

Hearing about technology doing away with jobs for thirty years,yet here we are with full employment.

Fighting Tao

Dr Brown wrote: »

Add in abortion on demand and you will see our birth rate fall by another 20%.

Doubt it as it's already on demand for the price of a cheap flight to the UK, and since it's abortion with restriction. That bit tougher with laws than the UK but carry on doctor.