What bike is best for a learner?

MSVforever

V strom 650 or Versys 650. Both have upright seating positions, are economical and have enough grunt to get a beginner into trouble They're fun in the twisties and perfect for town riding.
On the motorway they get easily up to 160 kph. Anything above those speeds are a struggle (tops out @ 190 kph) and therefore you wont have to worry to loose your license.

IBT bikes are usually bandits 600 or 650, ER6s, GS500, Fazer 600.

Lyle Lanley

Prisoner 6753 wrote: »

I wouldn’t be an out and out person who’d want a gixxer or some other form of racing bike over anything else, just something to enjoy.

My ultimate goal is to have a goldwing in 5 years.

The dullville name is self explanatory, but what other bikes have people ridden to say they wouldn’t go near one?

I’m not someone who wants it to be all about power.

I had a deuville for a few months when I needed cheap transport. I actually grew to really like it. Would happily have another.

Goose81

Prisoner 6753 wrote: »

I don't even know what bike i'll be on for the IBT.

Just something that is a minimum of 50KW's

Anyone looking in know what bikes two wheel training use?

In which way are they boring? I genuinely don't know.

I see the Gardaí are using Deauville NT 700's?

They mustn't be that bad are they?

Get a bandit or hornet 600, I did the test alongside some lad on a deaville and the thing was a tank, he failed because he couldn't do the 3 point turn. I don't know anyone would get one to learn and do the test on tbh

frozenfrozen

dl650 doesn't top out at 190 does it?

Sonics2k

Goose81 wrote: »

Get a bandit or hornet 600, I did the test alongside some lad on a deaville and the thing was a tank, he failed because he couldn't do the 3 point turn. I don't know anyone would get one to learn and do the test on tbh

You can't do the full A test on a Deauville though? OP had also said the bandit or hornet is too small.

CJhaughey

Its all about the rider and what they feel comfortable on.
Deauvilles were mocked by the sportsbike mad British press but have stood the test of time.

This guy shows what a good rider can do on a stock Deauville.
https://youtu.be/tSl--iZLTQQ

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Goose81

Sonics2k wrote: »

You can't do the full A test on a Deauville though? OP had also said the bandit or hornet is too small.

The bandit and hornet are too small for his height or to do the test?

Both are rubbish, it's powerful enough to do the test and it is what it is. If you 6'8 you won't be comfortable on any bike , the bandit or hornet are the best bikes to pass the test period. Hence why 99% of instructors use them!

If you cant pass the test on eitherher of them you shouldn't be on the road.

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Pugzilla

Sportbikes look cool, but are fairly ****e for the road. All the power is at the top end. You're already doing seriously illegal speeds by the tap you hit the powerband. Steering lock makes them useless for slow speed maneuvers like U turns. Fairings have to be removed for servicing and are very expensive to repalce in the event of a drop/crash. I reckon a 1000cc sporty naked like the S1000R or MT-10 is the perfect road bike for fun. Still more power, brakes and handling than any mortal needs with the added practicalities.

Goose81

Prisoner 6753 wrote: »

Fixed that for you

Don't know what you "fixed'' can't see any changes. Oh the height, makes no difference to my post. Bikes are made lads 5.5 to 5.9 any taller than that tough luck, nothing will be comfortable

Goose81

Pugzilla wrote: »

Sportbikes look cool, but are fairly ****e for the road. All the power is at the top end. You're already doing seriously illegal speeds by the tap you hit the powerband. Steering lock makes them useless for slow speed maneuvers like U turns. Fairings have to be removed for servicing and are very expensive to repalce in the event of a drop/crash. I reckon a 1000cc sporty naked like the S1000R or MT-10 is the perfect road bike for fun. Still more power, brakes and handling than any mortal needs with the added practicalities.

They look better though, it's all about the looks. Sports naked look ****, the Mt 10 is the most horrible looking thing I've ever seen, angles all over it and the headlights look like mechano man made them.

Wouldn't be bothered removing fairings for service , you and me are probably the only people on the board that do our own. If someone is paying someone to do it why would they care.

The BMW is nice though

Pugzilla

Goose81 wrote: »

They look better though, it's all about the looks.

Hope you're joking. Who are you trying to impress? Bikes only attract auld lads reminiscing about their days on a Honda 50. Anyways, my favourite supernaked is the Tuono V4. Shame there's no Aprillia dealership support in Ireland. I'm not travelling to Wales for a service. I like the KTM Superduke 1290R too.

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Sonics2k

Goose81 wrote: »

The bandit and hornet are too small for his height or to do the test?

Both are rubbish, it's powerful enough to do the test and it is what it is. If you 6'8 you won't be comfortable on any bike , the bandit or hornet are the best bikes to pass the test period. Hence why 99% of instructors use them!

If you cant pass the test on eitherher of them you shouldn't be on the road.

They're too small for him to ride comfortably, it's been mentioned he has a bad back and leaning would cause too much strain.

Funnily enough I'd be in pretty much the same way as him, except I'm a bit shorter. The naked or sport bike just don't work for me, they're uncomfortable and don't really suit my needs.

Personally I'm going back to a cruiser as soon as possible because they are far more comfortable (for me) and frankly I love the look of them, always have.

Not questioning at all that they're too small for the test, I'm saying the Deauville can only be used for the A2 test if restricted.
If you know someone who brought a Deauville to do their A2 test, then they are daft. The Goldwing qualifies for the A test but you sure as hell wouldn't bring that with you.

zubair

Goose81 wrote: »

Wouldn't be bothered removing fairings for service , you and me are probably the only people on the board that do our own. If someone is paying someone to do it why would they care.

I don't like bikes with fairings for this very reason.

CJhaughey

Stick your details into this and see what you can find.
You can make small alterations with handlebar risers and distance risers which pull the bars back a bit but its pretty small, big changes need new cables/brake hoses etc.
http://cycle-ergo.com/

MSVforever

frozenfrozen wrote: »

dl650 doesn't top out at 190 does it?

If I take off the bag box and the high screen and put some light weight midget on it then it might go slightly over the 200 kph mark (that's speedo reading and not GPS though )...

frozenfrozen

Interesting.. My restricted sv650 does a similar speed....

MSVforever

frozenfrozen wrote: »

Interesting.. My restricted sv650 does a similar speed....

They DL 650 has a detuned version of the SV 650 engine with more low down and midrange torque but looses out on top end speed

MSVforever

OP if I were you I would the IBT first and ask the instructor to try out all his bikes (that's what I did). For me it was a toss up between the bandit 600 and ER6F.
Unfortunately the ER6F was out of my price range so I got the bandit which was grand at the time.

zubair

Pretty sure I said it already but the cbf600 shouldn't be overlooked. MSV echoes what I've said already and the best advice is to wait to do your ibt before buying, you won't regret waiting, but you will regret buying the wrong bike.

Goose81

Pugzilla wrote: »

Hope you're joking. Who are you trying to impress? Bikes only attract auld lads reminiscing about their days on a Honda 50. Anyways, my favourite supernaked is the Tuono V4. Shame there's no Aprillia dealership support in Ireland. I'm not travelling to Wales for a service. I like the KTM Superduke 1290R too.

Who am I trying to impress? Myself. I wouldn't drive one they are horrible looking. I don't give a **** what other people think but I have to think it's nice looking!

Why would you go to Wales there's 2 places in Dublin that specialise in italian bikes there not rocket science

NDM does them and there's another guy who does them in kimmage who only does Italian bikes afaik and any Italian bike that is involved in an insurance claim in Ireland goes to him that's all he does.

MSVforever

Yeah Robbie in Mototechnic definitely specialises in Ducatis. Very nice chap too.

Lumen

So we've concluded that the best learner bike is a Tuono V4 or a Superduke 1290R?

Excellent.

Pugzilla

Lumen wrote: »

So we've concluded that the best learner bike is a Tuono V4 or a Superduke 1290R?

Excellent.

Yes, will give OP lots of room to grow into.

Pugzilla

Goose81 wrote: »

Who am I trying to impress? Myself. I wouldn't drive one they are horrible looking. I don't give a **** what other people think but I have to think it's nice looking!

Why would you go to Wales there's 2 places in Dublin that specialise in italian bikes there not rocket science

NDM does them and there's another guy who does them in kimmage who only does Italian bikes afaik and any Italian bike that is involved in an insurance claim in Ireland goes to him that's all he does.

If I were to buy a brand new Aprillia and retain the warranty, I would need to use the closest dealer, which is in Wales.

Lumen

Pugzilla wrote: »

If I were to buy a brand new Aprillia and retain the warranty, I would need to use the closest dealer, which is in Wales.

Are Crossans in Newry still authorised for warranty work? I saw them mentioned on an old thread.