Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

end of the road

Crea wrote: »

Oxford dictionary definition - An organism that lives in or on an organism of another species (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the other's expense.

So by definition an embryo/foetus would be a parasite.

a parrasite lives in, or on, another organism of a different specie. a fetus is of the same specie of it's mother. therefore it's not a parrasite.

nullzero

Fighting Tao wrote: »

I didn’t say that but rereading I can see how it’s misleading. I meant feelings on this subject that you didn’t realise you had.

I don't know what to make of you to be honest.

Grayditch

I take a few days off this thread and come back to...

Crea wrote: »

Oxford dictionary definition - An organism that lives in or on an organism of another species (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the other's expense.

So by definition an embryo/foetus would be a parasite.

WillContribute wrote: »

Both mother and foetus are of the same species. This definition doesn't support the parasite concept.

I've missed it.

nullzero

Grayditch wrote: »

I take a few days off this thread and come back to...





I've missed it.

It seems answering simple questions is something only one side of the argument should be expected to do.

Cupcake_Crisis

nullzero wrote: »

I think unrestricted abortion isn't right. That's my opinion. I respect the vote and realize that it has passed. I do take issue with assertions like a fetus being a parasite which is unscientific, on that topic, bootpaws you rascal, I see you thanked the post I'm quoting. Any chance you could address the question I've put to you a number of times already?

Which question? I’ve barely had any interaction with you

nullzero

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

Which question?

Is a fetus a parasite?
Thanks for asking BTW.
If you would care to read the post, I addressed another user called bootpaws who thanked your post and asked them to answer the question which I had put to them.
It wasn't aimed at you, apologies for any misunderstanding.

Cupcake_Crisis

nullzero wrote: »

Is a fetus a parasite?
Thanks for asking BTW.

I don’t know why you asked me that considering I’ve never once, in any of the threads I’ve participated in, mentioned the word.

But yes, in biological terms, it is.

nullzero

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

I don’t know why you asked me that considering I’ve never once, in any of the threads I’ve participated in, mentioned the word.

But yes, in biological terms, it is.

In biological terms it isn't.

Cupcake_Crisis

nullzero wrote: »

In biological terms it isn't.

Except it is though

nullzero

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

Except it is though

A parasite lives in or on a host of a differing species.

nullzero

Crea wrote: »

Oxford dictionary definition - An organism that lives in or on an organism of another species (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the other's expense.

So by definition an embryo/foetus would be a parasite.

FAO cupcake crisis...

You're not alone in getting your wires crossed on this one.

gctest50

nullzero wrote: »

Is a fetus a parasite?
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Maybe we could send this question to England to you know ..... get it sorted out

The no side are fierce fond of sending tricky "problems" to England, don't see why this one should be any different

Wrongway1985

nullzero wrote: »

The issue of unrestricted abortion up to 12 weeks is my only gripe, everything else is fine with me.

Why was this the stumbling block? If a loved one came to you saying can I trust you won't tell anyone my contraception failed a lad I know all of a week she is desperate she must come off life enhancing meds as they'd harm baby she is immensely adamant she does want to continue pregnancy, Would you help to travel or f off and go sh1te?

Cupcake_Crisis

nullzero wrote: »

A parasite lives in or on a host of a differing species.

A parasite is anything that depends on a host for survival ie: a fetus

FrancieBrady

If you were impregnated against your will or if the foetus was killing you then it could easily be defined as parasitical.

Buford T. Justice XIX

nullzero wrote: »

Perhaps a new poll on whether or not a fetus is a parasite would be a good idea.
What do you think bootpaws, Cupcake_Crisis, doomshine, fxotoole, iguana, LorelaiG, SusieBlue, wench?

Mod note: nullzero, don't post in this thread again.


Folks, it's quite simple, look at the OP for directions on what's acceptable to post here. I'm thinking that this thread and subject is close to being finished at this stage, nothing I've seen in the last few pages indicates otherwise.


BUT, play NICELY regardless, please!


Buford T. Justice

Wrongway1985

A parasite is also defined as a person who exploits others and offers nothing in return.

A foetus of course isn't a person; it isn't another species, somewhere in the middle of both? certainly relatable...

...What a terrible discussion,how did we end up here again??

Achasanai

It may have been posted here already (apologies if so) but is there a breakdown of the results by polling station rather than just constituency?

Fighting Tao

It is easy for No voters to ignore questions about rape, FFA, death due to needing an abortion, etc. until it is put in real context. What if it was someone close to you? I really do not believe that anyone would refuse to do what it takes to help someone close to them. I think in those situations, the 12 week limit would be forgotten about, and that they would be getting whatever help they could...getting them a flight to the UK or whatever to make things better.

Voting No was an attempt to deny women help. I don't think it was malicious by the majority of No voters. I think that some didn't understand the implications of their vote, others are selfish and can't think past their nose, others did it because religion has them brainwashed, then there are the some that just didn't think.

I was thinking of my wife, relatives, and friends when voting because I didn't want them to have no place to go in Ireland for medical assistance they may require.

Crea

Oops, missed the different species. So no, an embryo/foetus is not a parasite. Question answered.

Grayditch

nullzero wrote: »

It seems answering simple questions is something only one side of the argument should be expected to do.

No sly dig on my part, I just thought it was an interesting reintroduction.

gctest50

Achasanai wrote: »

It may have been posted here already (apologies if so) but is there a breakdown of the results by polling station rather than just constituency?

Ths is the kind of thing you'd want


( this one shows South Donegal voted "Yes" )

Fighting Tao

gctest50 wrote: »

Ths is the kind of thing you'd want


( this one shows South Donegal voted "Yes" )

Wow, I didn't realise that type of data existed. When it says 'booth', what exactly does that mean? In the station I was in, there were 4 desks to go to for ID depending on the voting card number. I don't recall seeing more than one ballot box though.

gctest50

Feelin' Repealin in :

gctest50

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spookwoman

nullzero wrote: »

Is a fetus a parasite?

When in the urterus the blastocyst, that's about day 6, uses Trophoblast cells . Torphoblast cells provide nutrients to the embryo and develop into a large part of the placenta.
Research has found the decidua (the uterine lining during pregnancy) acts as a barrier and prevents T cells from attacking the foetus. During pregnancy the genes responsible for recruting immune cells to site of the foetus were turned off within the decidua ,so the womans immune system did not attack the foetus.
The placenta works by allowing the fetus to obtain nutrients, oxygen, antibodies, and other vital substances without having to share the mother’s blood supply directly.
This is vital because foetuses do not always have the same blood type as their mother, and direct mixing of the bloodstreams could cause the mother’s immune system to attack the fetal blood supply. Even with the placenta separating the two, problems are occasionally caused by maternal antibodies attacking foetal blood supplies. The placenta secrets a protein called neurokinin B (NKB) and found it contained the molecule phosphocholine, which is used by the parasitic nematode worm to avoid attack by the immune system of the host in which it lives.
This protein masks the foetus from the womans immune system and if didn't then their body would reject it. So yes you can say it is a parasite.

gctest50

Cork South Central

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gctest50 wrote: »

Cork South Central

Have you Clare by any chance or could you PM me? When I went in to vote with my family we were getting some very hostile looks, and the six of us got our ID checked, which has never happened any time I've voted there before. I'd be interested to see what way the village went.

doomshine

Ok, I was called out for thanking one of these 'parasite posts'. Well, as difficult as it was to write... here goes.

It doesn't matter whether a fetus is a parasite or not. What matters is that an unwanted pregnancy can feel like carrying one. The 'Alien' analogy certainly rings true. Having something developing within you against your will can mess with your head in very ugly ways, especially if it falls on the fertile soil of mental instability.

The time between discovering I was pregnant and the trip to Liverpool was the worst period of my life. I've been through a lot but nothing compares to that experience. Every single day was hell, physically and mentally. I had a foolproof suicide plan just in case I couldn't raise money before the appointment date. Can't even begin to imagine how it must feel in rape pregnancies, jesus christ.

I will never have children. I'm simply unfit to be a mother.

Wish my mother would take her own mental health into consideration when deciding to keep me. She passed this **** onto me. I'll do anything in my power not to pass it down further. The thought that I could unwittingly treat a child like I was treated, even for a minute, makes me physically sick. I was struggling with depression at 10, suicidal at 12. 12!

But sure, it's just 9 months, right? Doesn't matter that 3 months of pregnancy undid a progress of a good few years (yes, you can see your behaviour altering drastically way before you even take the test). Just get on with it and take one for the 'greater good' , right?

gctest50

Soon as i can - flat out here @ Abortion Central - paintin' n tilin' in this weather is murder